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alp227

(32,032 posts)
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:35 PM Aug 2014

Detroit police chief warns suburban graffiti artists: 'Stay out of Detroit'

Source: Detroit Free Press

Telling suburban graffiti artists to “stay out of Detroit,” Police Chief James Craig announced Monday the arrests of five young men for spray painting a couple of buildings on Detroit’s west side.

Flanked by several officers, Craig slammed people for using Detroit as a playground for their illegal activities. Three of the five men arrested and charged with malicious destruction of property are from suburbs around Detroit. Last month, three teenage girls from Grosse Pointe Woods were charged with spraying graffiti in downtown Detroit.

The five suspects charged with malicious destruction of property over $1,000 are: Ramon Curiel, Juan Meza, Jon Michael Hernandez, Cristian Aguinaga and Rickey Steciak.

The residents of Detroit are “sick and tired of business as usual, so stay out of Detroit,” said Craig at a news conference, referring to criminals.

Read more: http://www.freep.com/article/20140818/NEWS01/308180198/Detroit-graffiti-charges

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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
2. That's a lot of real estate wasted. Although I'd call that suburban, not urban.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:27 PM
Aug 2014

I see possibilities. Where I live, people would be jumping up and down to have so much room to live in. And the city of Detroit has homeless people but all of this is being left vacant.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. It looks like the homes were cleaned out and destroyed
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:35 PM
Aug 2014

How would homeless want to live in those? I think it is sad what has happened to Detroit. Too bad they don't have a "Let's clean Detroit Day" where volunteers could come and clean the garbage, perhaps have a construction company volunteer to knock down the homes that were destroyed by fire and vandals. There is so much possibilities for this area. Where the heck is the Mayor??????

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
5. Good to hear
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:53 PM
Aug 2014

I just am basing my post on the video. I guess I should have not been so narrow in my opinion.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
7. I was going by the video too.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:06 PM
Aug 2014

The neighborhoods are looking like that and he's going full tilt boogie on graffiti? Like worried about a broken wooden door while a ship sinks after hitting an ice berg. Or worrying about a health code violation while the city is being attacked by Godzilla.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
6. I didn't say put the homeless in destroyed houses, okay? It could and does need to be rebuilt.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:01 PM
Aug 2014

Where I live, the cost of housing is high and so are the rents. It's getting more and more dense. But we have decent wages and plenty of social services to house those who don't make enough to get a house, are elderly or can't work.

The space of one or two of those lots houses a hundred or more people in 4-6 floor buildings. We have mass transit for all kinds of needs.

It could be done if the right people are elected. The GOP destroys lives and infrastructure like it's a sporting event. They must be stopped, but they're gaining here, too.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
8. The GOP destroys lives and infrastructure like it's a sporting event.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:13 PM
Aug 2014

If Detroit voted for a Republican then I would be extremely disappointed. I can't imagine that they would go against their own hopes. Maybe the voters thought the Republicans would help Detroit.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
9. Almost no voters thought Republicans would help Detroit
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:41 PM
Aug 2014

Politics in Michigan is such that Detroit is overwhelmingly Democratic and the rest of the state (excepting a few urban pockets) overwhelmingly Republican. Outside Detroit, the prevailing attitude has long been that Detroit is a drag on the rest of the state, and they have zero interest in saving the city itself (maybe the sports teams and a few cultural attractions, but certainly not the people).

This attitude is not new, either - it was among the first things I noticed when my family moved from the city to the suburbs, and I was first exposed to unapologetic racism (I'm white, and we moved just before I started 6th grade). In my suburban high school parents would actually complained about things like class field trips to see Shakespeare plays at Wayne State University. They wanted as little to to with the city as possible; given their druthers 8 Mile Road would have become a heavily fortified border.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
10. I don't know if Detroit voted for Synder. He broke promises to unions when he got in. Then sold the
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:43 PM
Aug 2014

city of Detroit to the Koch brothers and started taking everything away. He was the one who appointed an 'emergency manager' wherever he wanted to steal public assets and give them to the rich. Detroit has been suffering for a long time.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
16. Yeah
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 11:44 AM
Aug 2014

Snyder ran as a wolf in sheep's clothing. His rhetoric was centrist, but he's governed as a RW extremist

caraher

(6,278 posts)
13. There's a pretty aggressive demolition program underway
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:57 PM
Aug 2014

Limited largely by available funds, it would seem...

...officials aim to do much more, possibly tearing down as many as 450 empty houses each week across more than 20 square miles of this bankrupt city — a vast patchwork of rotting homes comparable to the size of Manhattan.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
11. Detroit looks different because of the automobile
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:45 PM
Aug 2014

When Detroit boomed, housing expansion took the form of single family homes. While there are some large buildings downtown and a few other locations, Detroit largely pioneered sprawl. So to most people very little of it ever "looked urban."

The lack of functioning mass transit, low and decreasing population density, and the dearth of employment and food options make it an exceedingly dysfunctional environment. It's a long way to anywhere in most neighborhoods, so you really need a car, which makes it even tougher for people with low incomes.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
15. That area had money at one time, a lot of American Four Square Homes
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 10:14 AM
Aug 2014

The American Four Square came out of Frank Lloyd Wright Prairie Home style:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Foursquare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prairie_School

The hallmarks of the style include a basically square, boxy design, two-and-one-half stories high, usually with four large, boxy rooms to a floor, a center dormer, and a large front porch with wide stairs. The boxy shape provides a maximum amount of interior room space, to use a small city lot to best advantage.


In many ways it is the ideal home. Maximum interior space which you get with any square (only a Circle includes more space per outside dimensions). While most were custom built, the basic design permitted easy flow of people from one area to another. It is almost an early open concept design (before that term was invented). For these reasons it was the most popular design used in North America from about 1890 to WWII (home construction came to an almost compete stop in 1927 (another sign that the Great Depression started BEFORE the great stock market crash of 1929). Picked up a little bit in 1938-1939 do to FDR's great stimulus program that year AND the start up of a then Government Program (And would stay such till 1968) know as Fannie Mae. Fannie Mae was the first agency that would buy 20 year mortgages. Prior to Fannie Mae Mortgages tended to be one year in duration, and had to be renewed each year. This requirement of renewal and the demand on the banks for cash, lead to massive number of foreclosures in the early 1930s. Thus Fannie Mae stopped such foreclosures for it stopped the practice of one year mortgages for homes.

Fannie Mae started out in 1938, did financing in and during WWII, but do to the pressure of WWII, home building stopped in 1942, then restarted in 1946. Thus stop, go, stop, go (1927 Stop, 1938 go, 1942 Stop, 1946 go) is the reason it is hard to say when the four square STOP being built, some were built as late as during WWII for use by workers. On the other hand a lot of WWII construction and post WWII construction was of Ranch styles homes, for being one stories without a basement, they could be built quickly and given the demand for housing post WWII sold quickly. Thus the Ranch replaced the Four Square in the late 1940s.

The Four Square never regain it popularity mostly do to the Automobile. The porch was heavily used when people WALKED to work (it gave cover to remove umbrellas and other wet items) but not "needed" when people drove to and from work. The Four Square looks odd with a Garage, almost like the garage was an after thought (and generally it was). Thus the Colonial became the preferred housing starting in the 1950s. The Colonial and the Ranch dominated most housing Constructions till the McMansions started in the 1980s.

Back to the Four Squares. The Four Square could be had in many sizes, from quite small to McMansion sized. Very popular with all classes of people till people embraced the Automobiles as they main way to go to and from work (1954 is generally given as the year where more people purchased more new autos to replaced old autos over people buying they first autos).

Thus from the 1950s onward, people wanted their homes to reflect that they owned an automobiles and the four square could only do that is a separate garage. In my area, I have seen a lot of Four Squares in Rural Areas, with separate garages. I have seen them in urban areas with separate garages.

Back to Detroit. That this area had a lot of Four Squares implies this was a booming area between the 1890s and the 1930s. An upper middle class area that has basically been abandoned since WWII. This is strange for most housing lasts about 150 years. Housing can last longer if long term repairs and updating is done (Basically gutted and redone), and last shorter if given no care (You do not even paint it). Most poor people end up in housing built about 100-150 years before they move in. The housing has seen plenty if use and abuse but still has value. After about 150 years the housing, unless gutted and rebuilt, has almost no value except for the land it is on.

Four Squares are about 20-30 years away getting to the age that they need to be torn down or gutted. Thus the number of abandoned Four Squares in this video is remarkable, they should NOT be in such condition, that should be 20-30 years from now NOT now (1890 plus 150 is 2040). Most Four Squares are still in very good shape, becoming the home of the poor given their age and location. Most do NOT need a complete rebuild (and that many of the homes in the Video are Four Squares, shows how solid the Four Squares were built).

Just some comments on this video.


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