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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 03:09 PM Aug 2014

BREAKING: New Leaker Disclosing U.S. Secrets

Last edited Tue Aug 5, 2014, 07:23 PM - Edit history (4)

Source: CNN

@cnnadam: EXCLUSIVE: US govt has concluded there's a new leaker exposing national security documents post-Snowden, @evanperez reporting. More soon.

CNN Breaking News - A new leaker is exposing national security documents, U.S. officials tell CNN. Reply STOP 2 unsub

updated 3:27 PM EDT 08.05.14

New leaker disclosing U.S. secrets

By Evan Perez, CNN

(CNN) - The federal government has concluded there's a new leaker exposing national security documents in the aftermath of surveillance disclosures by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden, U.S. officials tell CNN.

Proof of the newest leak comes from national security documents that formed the basis of a news story published Tuesday by the Intercept, the news site launched by Glenn Greenwald, who also published the Snowden's leaks.

The Intercept article focuses on the growth in U.S. government databases of known or suspected terrorist names during the Obama administration.

The article cites documents prepared by the National Counterterrorism Center dated August 2013, which is after Snowden flew to Russia to avoid U.S. criminal charges.

Greenwald has suggested there was another leaker. In July, he said on Twitter "it seems clear at this point" that there was another. Government officials have been investigating to find out who.

The biggest database, called the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, now has 1 million names, a U.S. official confirmed to CNN.

That's boosted from half that many in the aftermath of the botched attempt by the so-called underwear bomber to blow up a U.S.-bound jetliner on Christmas Day in 2009.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/05/politics/u-s-new-leaker/index.html



@jeremyscahill: Direct links to SECRET gov't watchlisting documents we published today: https://t.co/ipgXej4e9R/s/XfGd & https://t.co/1YxO8QmCwj/s/f0Oq

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/08/05/watch-commander/

NEWS
Barack Obama’s Secret Terrorist-Tracking System, by the Numbers

By Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Devereaux5 Aug 2014, 12:45 PM EDT

Nearly half of the people on the U.S. government’s widely shared database of terrorist suspects are not connected to any known terrorist group, according to classified government documents obtained by The Intercept.

Of the 680,000 people caught up in the government’s Terrorist Screening Database—a watchlist of “known or suspected terrorists” that is shared with local law enforcement agencies, private contractors, and foreign governments—more than 40 percent are described by the government as having “no recognized terrorist group affiliation.” That category—280,000 people—dwarfs the number of watchlisted people suspected of ties to al Qaeda, Hamas, and Hezbollah combined.

The documents, obtained from a source in the intelligence community, also reveal that the Obama Administration has presided over an unprecedented expansion of the terrorist screening system. Since taking office, Obama has boosted the number of people on the no fly list more than ten-fold, to an all-time high of 47,000—surpassing the number of people barred from flying under George W. Bush.

“If everything is terrorism, then nothing is terrorism,” says David Gomez, a former senior FBI special agent. The watchlisting system, he adds, is “revving out of control.”

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BREAKING: New Leaker Disclosing U.S. Secrets (Original Post) Hissyspit Aug 2014 OP
I wonder what THIS one is about. Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #1
Senate torture report? Hissyspit Aug 2014 #2
A reasonable guess-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #3
Oh, it's the same story as The Intercept's terrorist watch list scoop Hissyspit Aug 2014 #5
Link and a bit more on the story is now up. herding cats Aug 2014 #4
Thanks. nt Hissyspit Aug 2014 #6
interesting. this a sting of Glenn Greenwald press? or his press have another 'leaker' source? Sunlei Aug 2014 #7
Apparently new leaker, Intercept story: Hissyspit Aug 2014 #8
Gets complicated since the government manipulated its publication. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #12
Interesting info. Thanks. n/t cui bono Aug 2014 #22
Thank you Edward Snowden for inspiring others to follow your lead. Maedhros Aug 2014 #9
k&r. Thanks for posting. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #10
One, two, many Snowdens! JackRiddler Aug 2014 #11
I'll just bet that this new leaker has a messy garage, dates strippers. and saw Rand Paul on TV once Fuddnik Aug 2014 #13
T.I.D.E. BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #14
YAY! blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #15
Do we even have any secrets left? leftyladyfrommo Aug 2014 #16
Greenwald has been having a shit fit on twitter Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #17
So do you have any opinion on TIDE? n/t Psephos Aug 2014 #18
The persistent attempts to derail the NSA/CIA stories, and instead smear Greenwald riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #19
Well, Greenwald spent the entire day talking about betrayal and revenge Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #26
So? Hissyspit Aug 2014 #21
You think this is all funny because.... cui bono Aug 2014 #23
Yeah, it was below the belt Blue_Tires Aug 2014 #25
Greenwald has built his reputation by being a good investigatve journalist and writing great cui bono Aug 2014 #27
when and where did Greenwald "play below the belt" grasswire Aug 2014 #29
GDS U4ikLefty Aug 2014 #24
K&R Solly Mack Aug 2014 #20
Uhoh better gear up the propaganda machine! /nt Ash_F Aug 2014 #28

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. I wonder what THIS one is about.
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 03:11 PM
Aug 2014

Sounds like the "intelligence" establishment is trying to get out in front of the story.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
3. A reasonable guess--
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 03:25 PM
Aug 2014

That thing has been in enough hands by now to have fallen into the lap of a potential leaker, perhaps frustrated by all of the redactions.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
5. Oh, it's the same story as The Intercept's terrorist watch list scoop
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 03:36 PM
Aug 2014

that got scooped. I didn't make the connection.

@jeremyscahill: The US government is rapidly acquiring biometric data on the million+ people in its secret database. https://t.co/KdzPnq9uqR/s/9fOl

herding cats

(19,566 posts)
4. Link and a bit more on the story is now up.
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 03:28 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/05/politics/u-s-new-leaker/

Proof of the newest leak comes from national security documents that formed the basis of a news story published Tuesday by the Intercept, the news site launched by Glenn Greenwald, who also published the Snowden's leaks.

The Intercept article focuses on the growth in U.S. government databases of known or suspected terrorist names during the Obama administration.

The article cites documents prepared by the National Counterterrorism Center dated August 2013, which is after Snowden flew to Russia to avoid U.S. criminal charges.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
8. Apparently new leaker, Intercept story:
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 03:55 PM
Aug 2014

@jeremyscahill: The US government is rapidly acquiring biometric data on the million+ people in its secret database. https://t.co/KdzPnq9uqR/s/9fOl

@GregMitch: RT @xor: The big news behind the AP/Intercept stories: docs are from Aug 2013-post-Snowden. New leaker. Courage is contagious. http://t.co/1pehGqHQqU/s/d_yn

I'm a bit off today. Just got out if the shower, lol.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
12. Gets complicated since the government manipulated its publication.
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 04:25 PM
Aug 2014

The government, it turned out, had "spoiled the scoop," an informally forbidden practice in the world of journalism. To spoil a scoop, the subject of a story, when asked for comment, tips off a different, typically friendlier outlet in the hopes of diminishing the attention the first outlet would have received. Tuesday's AP story was much friendlier to the government's position, explaining the surge of individuals added to the watch list as an ongoing response to a foiled terror plot.

The practice of spoiling a scoop is frowned upon because it destroys trust between the journalist and the subject. In the future, the journalist is much less willing to share the contents of his or her reporting with that subject, which means the subject is given less time, or no time at all, to respond with concerns about the reporting.

The government's decision to spoil a story on the topic of national security is especially unusual, given that it has a significant interest in earning the trust of national security reporters so that it can make its case that certain information should remain private.

After the AP story ran, The Intercept requested a conference call with the National Counterterrorism Center. A source with knowledge of the call said that the government agency admitted having fed the story to the AP, but didn't think the reporter would publish before The Intercept did. "That was our bad," the official said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/05/terror-watch-list_n_5651757.html?1407262653

Something weird about the story, but maybe the big story is confirmation about how the government interferes with press freedom by playing favorites and giving advantages to media that plays the government's game. That's really ugly, but probably not illegal. Freedom. Can the Obama administration spell it? I wonder. I didn't expect better of the Bush administration. But surely Obama knows better.

On another issue, it is very hard to strike the balance between preventing terrorism and discriminating against people on the basis of religion or ethnicity. Really a tough call.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
9. Thank you Edward Snowden for inspiring others to follow your lead.
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 04:19 PM
Aug 2014

Mitigating this bullshit will require a team effort.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
11. One, two, many Snowdens!
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 04:25 PM
Aug 2014

Too many, soon enough, for the personalized bullshit. This needs to be a movement.

Bring this motherfucking Hoover-Nixon Machine, V.2K14, down!

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
19. The persistent attempts to derail the NSA/CIA stories, and instead smear Greenwald
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 06:51 PM
Aug 2014

or Snowden are predictable and boring.

You all need to get some better talking points.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
26. Well, Greenwald spent the entire day talking about betrayal and revenge
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:09 PM
Aug 2014

instead of the AP story itself, so what makes him any different?

You will note I never have anything negative to say about Gellman's NSA work because it's tighter, better sourced, and better explained without the dramatic embellishments and bias...

But please--Continue to give me the usual treatment; I'm so very used to it by now...Call me a shill, a paid Pentagon plant, a troll, or any of the other garden variety insults...It is much easier that way, isn't it?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
25. Yeah, it was below the belt
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:02 PM
Aug 2014

but Greenwald has built his career playing below the belt...

And despite his protests, this happens a lot more often than you'd think -- So yes, Greenwald's petulant reaction amuses me to no end...

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
27. Greenwald has built his reputation by being a good investigatve journalist and writing great
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 03:44 PM
Aug 2014

articles.

All of a sudden when he exposes some dirty little secrets of the Obama admin he gets the swiftboat treatment. I get it.

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