Police: Excavator driver attacks Jerusalem bus (graphic photo warning)

[Omaha Steve]

Last edited Mon Aug 4, 2014, 09:07 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: AP-EXCITE

By PETER ENAV

JERUSALEM (AP) — An attacker rammed the front end of a massive construction excavator into an Israeli bus on Monday, overturning the vehicle before he was shot and killed by a police officer, authorities said. Police said one person was seriously injured.

Police called the incident a "terrorist attack," indicating that they suspected Palestinian involvement.

Israel's Channel 10 TV showed cellphone video of what it said was the attack. The video showed the yellow construction vehicle slamming the large shovel on its front end into the bus. Israeli media said there were several injuries, including passengers and pedestrians.

FULL short breaking story at link.


Palestinian medics treat a wounded girl, at the Kuwaiti hospital at Rafah refugee camp, in southern Gaza Strip, Monday, Aug. 4, 2014. Israel withdrew most of its ground troops from the Gaza Strip on Sunday in an apparent winding down of the nearly monthlong operation against Hamas that has left more than 1,800 Palestinians and more than 60 Israelis dead. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

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[ReRe]

1. That is a video I look forward to seeing.

How much you want to bet it doesn't materialize? I jest, of course.

Thanks for the news, OS!

[George II]

6. If you read the article you would have learned that it already was broadcast on Israeli TV!

[ReRe]

22. I finally seen it tonight, I think on AJA.

I'm bad about not reading before I open my big mouth. My bad.

[George II]

23. I'm pretty good (or bad!) about doing that myself sometimes.

[Archae]

2. Entirely mind telling me why that photo was in the OP?

Is this the usual "justification" for terrorism and terroristic attacks on Israelis?

[HERVEPA]

4. No doubt.

[bigworld]

3. You fight with the weapons you have

I guess.

[Iamthetruth]

26. Yup

As long as Israel can abide by the same rules.

[chrisa]

37. By ramming a bus full of civilians?

This doesn't appear to have been a military target (unless if I missed something). I have as much respect for this psycho as I do for Elliot Rodgers (or any mass murderer).

[ripcord]

40. Palestinians always target civilians

it goes back to when they used to wear vests made by Dupont.

[tom_kelly]

5. If it was a Palestinian attack then its called "terrorism" around these parts of media n/t

[George II]

7. From the article:

"In the past, Palestinian attackers have gone on deadly rampages with bulldozers in Jerusalem traffic."

[tom_kelly]

8. I understand

Just pointing out the typical bias the media shows favoring Israel.

[onenote]

9. Do you think attack on civilians in Israel is now justified?

And do you think that is a path to ending this godawful situation?

[tom_kelly]

10. No and No

When a people are pushed, and pushed the way the Palestinians have been, they will react in ways they normally wouldn't. I see Israel as the pusher.

[JDPriestly]

16. How about seeing that both Israel and Palestine are locked

into fear and believing that violence is their only possible response.

I think we need to stop blaming one side or the other and realize that both sides need to work for peace.

The list of Palestinian terror attacks is horribly long. We don't read about them on DU.

I have followed that situation since 1952. The Palestinians are just as much to blame as anyone.

In the recent years, the Israelis built a wall -- a peaceful response to suicide bombers and other aggression by Palestinians within Israel.

Then Israel built a missile shield -- a peaceful response to repeated Palestinian rocket attacks.

So Palestinians built complex system of tunnels to literally undermine Israel's attempt to live in peace.

The Palestinians share the blame. What have the Palestinians done to promote peace? Where is their wall, their missile shield.

Takes to parties to a dispute to make peace. One cannot do it alone.

[strategery blunder]

17. I understand what you're saying, but I wouldn't exactly call the economic blockade of Gaza peaceful.

I concede that yes, there is a very long list of Palestinian attacks.

I also admit that Israel has a very long history of retaliation for such attacks, not all of which complies with international law.

Taken in isolation, yes, building a wall and then a missile shield for defense against the suicide bombers is a reasonable defensive response.

Completely sealing the borders, tightly controlling what basic supplies and necessities are allowed to enter Gaza, and then involving a third country (Egypt) as part of such blockade as part of a security treaty, however, is a bit less peaceful. That act on the part of Israel amounts to a de facto siege, and it just might have something to do with motivations for the most recent round of Palestinian fighting.

Israel could in addition to maintaining its wall and missile shield, you know, allow Gaza to build a seaport, perhaps with UN customs inspectors, so Gaza can actually import bona fide supplies. Decently-fed and employed Palestinians would be a little less desperate to blow themselves up in the hopes their families could one day lead a better life, perhaps?

But that kind of cooperation would require both sides to be interested in peace. Israel sadly doesn't seem interested at the moment. Neither side has clean hands in this.

JMHO.

[markpkessinger]

19. Well said! n/t

[JDPriestly]

32. Those are great ideas. The Palestinians should raise that idea

in peace negotiations. There are a lot of very positive things that each side could do to bring peace. They have to agree on the steps and just what they will do. That is what peace negotiations are about.

Google the peace agreement that lead to peace in Northern Ireland. It is a step-by-step process in which the two sides slowly change their realities and improve lives for all.

That is what I am advocating instead of all the taking of sides. Both sides have a lot to gain from peace. Economic independence for Palestinians would be a huge gain.

They should stop spending time and effort on making rockets and focus on making peace. Israel could save all the time and effort and money it spends on the wall and the missile shield on more useful things.

The fighting has to stop. But both sides have to give up the anger.

[Spider Jerusalem]

29. Israel built a wall and a missile shield because they won't stop building settlements

they're not interested in living in peace. Israel is much more to blame than the Palestinians are.

And that wall? Yet another Israeli violation of international law: http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=48236#.U-E_yVfQrqE

[JDPriestly]

30. How do a wall and a missile shield mean that Israel won't stop

building settlements or is not interested in living in peace?

I think that the wall and missile shield mean that Israel does not want to be subject to aggression from outside.

[Spider Jerusalem]

31. The wall is a) illegal and b) substantially deviates from the Green Line

the wall is de facto annexation of occupied territory in contravention of international law.

And Israel hasn't stopped building settlements.

If Israel wants the Palestinians to stop engaging in violent resistance against occupation they should comply with their obligations under international law and withdraw from the settlements. This is very simple; Israel is not, actually, the injured party, here, and the actions of the Palestinian resistance are not unprovoked aggression.

[JDPriestly]

33. So. The Palestinians need to raise this in negotiations.

Both sides have grievances. That is what a dispute is -- grievances of one or more parties against other parties.

Google the information about the settlement of the dispute concerning Northern Ireland. The oppression of the Irish by the British was just horrible. Much worse than people remember. Went on for centuries and gradually it was resolved.

The last bit of that, the dispute over Northern Ireland was finally negotiated so that peace could be enjoyed by all. We don't hear much about violence concerning that issue any more.

Peace is always possible. Understanding can always be achieved. People can learn to live with their differences and find practical solutions that benefit everyone. It's a matter of making an effort and finding the spiritual strength to live peace. But one side cannot make peace by itself. Takes both sides realizing, deciding that they both need peace.

[Spider Jerusalem]

36. Israel's refusal to stop expanding settlements is what torpedoed negotiations in 2004.

[tabasco]

39. Sickening, warped rationalization

[jwirr]

13. No - what we have been telling you all this time is that war is not the answer. But this is the way

of war. It comes home.

[KansDem]

11. From the article...

Tensions have been high between Arabs and Jews in the region amid a monthlong war between Israel and Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip.

"Tensions have been high?" Now that's one helluva understatement.

[jwirr]

12. The war hits home.

[Iamthetruth]

27. Seriously

I guess the 3,000 + rockets and constant air raid warnings didn't convince you that the citizens of Israel have been dealing with this for decades.

[jwirr]

35. Of course they have - that is what I said.

[Iamthetruth]

38. The war has been home to Israel

Since 1948 and has rarely left.

[bigworld]

14. No video, but here are some pix

http://news.nana10.co.il/Article/?ArticleID=1073586

[riverwalker]

15. now they say it was accident

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4554854,00.html

the guy was "not into politics, happy with a pack of smokes and a Red Bull" family owned a construction company. It was just a work accident, Israeli police arrived, saw he was Arab, so the racists shot him and yelled "terra, terra".

[appal_jack]

21. The excavator slammed the bus at least seven times.

The excavator slammed the bus at least seven times, spinning fully to get better leverage for the final two.

Some accident.



-app

[NickB79]

24. The family says it was an accident

Most parents would defend their child in this situation, even if the evidence is firmly against them. It's what parents are expected to do.

[jberryhill]

34. Unless it was an extended seizure of some kind, it appears unlikely to have been accidental

He didn't just bump into that bus.

[delphi72]

18. WTF?

I, too, question why that particular photo was selected or allowed to run with this article.

[rollin74]

20. video of the incident

[Rhinodawg]

25. WTF is wrong with people like that?

[Enrique]

28. that photo is not related to the bus incident

I realize the AP has it there with that story