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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 07:04 PM Aug 2014

Five killed in fresh clash over Nagorny Karabakh

Source: AFP

Baku (AFP) - Azerbaijan said Saturday it had lost four troops in new clashes with arch-foe Armenia near the disputed Nagorny Karabakh region as mediators sounded the alarm over a spike in tensions in the protracted conflict.

The fresh confrontations -- which also led to the death of an ethnic Armenian soldier -- come after Azerbaijan said Friday that eight troops had been killed in three days of fighting, with Moscow and Washington both expressing concern over the violence.

The two ex-Soviet Caucasus nations have been locked in a long-simmering conflict over Nagorny Karabakh, a majority Armenian region within Azerbaijan that is de facto independent, with occasional skirmishes along the front.

The sudden surge in tensions in a region that has been on a knife-edge for years comes as Armenia's ally Russia is locked in a confrontation with the West over the future of ex-Soviet Ukraine.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/five-killed-fresh-clash-between-azeris-ethnic-armenians-140807904.html

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Five killed in fresh clash over Nagorny Karabakh (Original Post) Bosonic Aug 2014 OP
There was speculation a couple of months ago about this frozen conflict. Igel Aug 2014 #1
This particular conflict goes back centuries. Xithras Aug 2014 #3
Long live Nagorno Karabakh! Or something... Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #2

Igel

(35,317 posts)
1. There was speculation a couple of months ago about this frozen conflict.
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 08:40 PM
Aug 2014

If Russia was having problems, would it ratchet up tensions there to create a broader zone of problems to contend with to distract or punish the West.

It also serves has the possibility of serving as a warning to Georgia.

It pays to remember that this area isn't just contested. It had a referendum in 2006, it's declared independence, etc. etc. It's recognized by three "countries", the list of which had better be damn-well familiar: S. Ossetia, Abkhazia, and Transnistria.

If there's no familiarity, these are three little puppet territories. All three exist thanks to the good will of Russia, and all three were formed to protect Russians (in name, at least, even if they're a minority of the population) and primarily to punish uppity little "ethnic minority" states----Georgia and Moldova--that failed to properly behave and be subject to their liege and master.

The Donetsk People's Republic and Lugansk People's Republic would dearly like to be added to that list of mini-states. One of them--the LPR?--has been recognized by at least one or two of the mini-states already.

As for Armenia, it's solidly pro-Russian. They teach Russian from 2nd grade, some subjects are just taught in Russian. They use Russian textbooks, sometimes in Armenian translation. Most people know Russian, and I've known Armenians who preferred Russian for everyday use. It's primed for language shift in the next generation or two if they're not careful. Russian TV channels and other media and in some professions its the daily medium of communication. They're firmly Customs Union. This is even without the perpetual thorn produced by the never-ending conflict with the Shi'ite Turkic Azeri.

Personally, conflicts should not be frozen. They should be resolved. If it happens at the conference table, wonderful. But if it needs to happen. Either the situation on the ground needs to change--if it means population movement, that's what it means; if it means battle and bloodshed until one side realizes it's lost and accepts the accommodations necessary for the bloodshed to stop, that's what it means. The attitude that the top 5% of the education public in the West has that if we just stop fighting everything'll be ironed out because, gee, that's what "we" think people should be like just creates problems. The top 5% don't stay in charge; and when that happens, you get the bottom 50% having a lot of say in how things are resolved. (As has been pointed out, you check into the DPR and LPR crowd, the Transnistria crowd, the leaders of S. Ossetia or Abkhazia--you get mediocre students engaged in hero worship, romanticizing a past drawn more from crap literature than reality, and who have a lot of popular support or just want power so they can drink good whiskey until they're passed out drunk instead of cheap vodka. They're not deep thinkers. They're the kind of people that get into fist fights and think that important points are scored by calling their enemies dirty or insulting names.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
3. This particular conflict goes back centuries.
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 03:03 PM
Aug 2014

At various points in its history, Karabakh has been controlled by the Azeri's, the Armenians, the Ottomans, the Persians, the Russians, and it's own independent Khanate. It's had an Armenian majority for over 1500 years, but has been used as a political chesspiece for centuries and has only occasionally been considered part of Armenia itself. The Soviet Union "gave" the region to Azerbaijan, but the majority of its population made it clear that it wanted independence or to join Armenia immediately after Soviet power was removed. Unfortunately, the Azeri minority is large enough that the government of Azerbaijan isn't going to let that happen.

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