Al Sharpton calls for arrest of NYPD officer in chokehold death of Eric Garner

[cal04]

Source: Newsday

The Rev. Al Sharpton, reacting to the New York City medical examiner's finding that an NYPD officer's use of a banned chokehold killed a man being arrested on Staten Island, on Saturday demanded the cop's imminent arrest.

Sharpton called the autopsy report's conclusion that Eric Garner's manner of death was homicide "is in and of itself probable cause for an arrest!"

Flanked by Sharpton, Garner's widow, Esaw Garner, said: "I want to thank God above for giving us justice for my husband, so that we can move forward and get this cop done with. That's it."

Read more: http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/eric-garner-case-harpton-calls-for-arrest-of-nypd-officer-in-chokehold-death-1.8949763

[In_The_Wind]

1. I agree with him.

[rock]

2. I agree with Sharpton

!

[cpwm17]

3. He illegally choked him to death

and none of the officers or medical crew made any effort to revive him. Yep, that sounds like murder.

[Auggie]

4. Get him Al!

[IronGate]

5. One of few times I am in 100% agreement with Rev. Al,

this cop knew that this carotid choke hold was banned, yet he choose to use it and ignored the pleas of Garner that he couldn't breathe.
Arrest him for 2nd degree murder and the rest for accessory to murder.

[PoliticAverse]

9. 2nd degree murder would require the state prove that he intended to kill Garner.

[IronGate]

10. If he used the Carotid choke hold, which he damn well knew was banned,

and disregarded Garner's pleas that he couldn't breathe, IMO, that constitutes 2nd Degree Murder.

[PoliticAverse]

12. I think this is more likely to be charged as Manslaughter in the second degree or

Criminally Negligent Homicide.

[IronGate]

14. That's better than what cops usually get.

I still think it could qualify for 2nd Murder because he knew that the Carotid choke hold was banned and he ignored Garner's pleas of not being able to breathe.
The Carotid Choke Hold is pretty much banned throughout US LEA's due to the brain damage it can cause and the deaths attributed to it.

[FarPoint]

18. So do I....

Let's not ignore Garner had a responsibility to comply with the Officers. Garner knew the drill after 30 or more arrests for the same crime.He chose poorly. Additionally, choke holds are inappropriate and unnecessary to detaining a resistant individual. There are more options available and safer to implement for all involved.

[BronxBoy]

25. Fuck that....

You must be White......

We are sick and fucking tired of people pulling justifications out of their ass when someone in our community is murdered by the police. SICK & FUCKING TIRED

Here's something else that should not be ignored. That cop has a history of harassing Black men and the city has had to pay out at least one settlement because of it with another one winding its way through the courts

Shouldn't that cop have "known the drill?" Shouldn't he have "made a better choice"? Didn't he fucking "choose poorly"?

Fucking apologists!!!!!

[FarPoint]

29. For someone who rants about race and harassment towards black men...

You surprise me with racially profiling ...of me... ..Some may call that style of thinking a double standard. Not nice.

[BronxBoy]

31. Boo hoo

Not ranting about race...ranting about people who look for every opportunity to use a Black mans shortcomings as justification for murder while turning an absolute blind eye to the past transgressions of the White killer.'

Sorry you're upset....but so is the Garner family.

[locdlib]

34. Next time think before you make a bs post like that

Black people are past sick and tired of people like you who always come to the conclusion that somehow the black man is somehow responsible for his own death . . . especially when we all SAW and HEARD what happened. If you feel by the OP's post, let me tell you what to do: Take responsibility, don't post stupidity.

[FarPoint]

41. Hahaha...you tell me what to do and post...

[bravenak]

51. It looked like you justified the murder of the man by a cop because..

He should have known not to resist the chokehokd that was killing him, and in fact DId result in his death. His crime? Selling loosies. Single cigarettes. Maybe the cop should have left him the hell alng if he couldn't figure out how to give him a ticket instead of killing him. Please stop LAUGHING!! The death of this man is NOT funny and you are being rude for no reason other than you got caught justifying the brutal murder of a man commiting a misdemeanor. I imagine if you were getting strangled to death you might resist.

[FarPoint]

58. You have some imagination ...

Next, you'll be saying I choked Garner...Nothing you say is even related to my initial post..#18...you just make things up because your angry and out for blood. Inappropriate indeed.

[locdlib]

53. You just proved who and what you are.

All on your own without provocation from anyone. Oh, posting laughing/smilies in a post like this is inappropriate. A thinking person knows that, too.

[FarPoint]

59. Garner is dead...

God rest his soul.

[Ash_F]

66. OK don't think. You are good at that. /nt

[FarPoint]

67. Okay...your right...

I'm just like Garner... But he's dead because he didn't think either. His task was simple...just follow the Officers commands and he would be alive now..Heck, he probably wouldn't even of spent 24 hours in jail. He knew that drill...did 30 times. He defied and resisted the Officers physically. He was also grossly obese and out of shape...all contributed to his demise. There is a lesson here for all...comply with the Officers and run the drill...let a lawyer do your court battle, all can live another day.

[Ash_F]

68. Stormfront is that way --->

Your posting is not as funny as you think it is, but you might get some laughs over there.

[FarPoint]

69. You make absolutely no sense.

The positive for you, your post count goes up with your game. Maybe you want to become a DU donor member?

[Ash_F]

70. Only if the admins clean house. /nt

[FarPoint]

71. Well...as a DU member

You could expand your dreams.

[LanternWaste]

73. More accurately, he is dead because he was placed in a choke hold by a law enforcement agent...

"But he's dead because he didn't think either..."

More accurately, he is dead because he was placed in a choke hold by a law enforcement agent... all rationalizations aside.

[duhneece]

33. Our officer killed a handcuffed man, served one yer

...What happened in the next few minutes on that freezing night in December 2004 would leave two men dead, a community in shock and Sergeant Anders, a beloved local sheriff's officer nearing retirement, charged with killing a handcuffed prisoner. A video camera in the sergeant's own patrol truck was unblinking witness....Sergeant Anders, who received a minimal one-year prison sentence after pleading guilty to voluntary manslaughter with a firearm, says he has trouble remembering exactly what happened but recalls that he fired to save himself and the little girl.

"I remember he was moving and I considered him a threat," he said in a rambling interview. "I don't remember shooting him when he was handcuffed."

Still, said Sergeant Anders, who was sentenced on March 3, his 63rd birthday: "I'm a reasonable person; I can't argue with the videotape. If I crossed the line, I have to take responsibility." ...

He killed a horrible man. I wish I knew more about manslaughter vs murder and the different degrees...maybe one day I'll google it!



http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/17/national/17deputy.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

[PoliticAverse]

36. Here's the law for each in New York...

From http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article125.htm

(I edited out parts not applicable)

S 125.10 Criminally negligent homicide.
A person is guilty of criminally negligent homicide when, with
criminal negligence, he causes the death of another person.
Criminally negligent homicide is a class E felony.

S 125.15 Manslaughter in the second degree.
A person is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree when:
1. He recklessly causes the death of another person; or
...
Manslaughter in the second degree is a class C felony.

S 125.20 Manslaughter in the first degree.
A person is guilty of manslaughter in the first degree when:
1. With intent to cause serious physical injury to another person, he
causes the death of such person or of a third person; or
2. With intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the
death of such person or of a third person under circumstances which do
not constitute murder because he acts under the influence of extreme
emotional disturbance, as defined in paragraph (a) of subdivision one of
section 125.25. The fact that homicide was committed under the influence
of extreme emotional disturbance constitutes a mitigating circumstance
reducing murder to manslaughter in the first degree and need not be
proved in any prosecution initiated under this subdivision; or
...
Manslaughter in the first degree is a class B felony.

S 125.25 Murder in the second degree.
A person is guilty of murder in the second degree when:
1. With intent to cause the death of another person, he causes the
death of such person or of a third person; except that in any
prosecution under this subdivision, it is an affirmative defense that:
(a) The defendant acted under the influence of extreme emotional
disturbance for which there was a reasonable explanation or excuse, the
reasonableness of which is to be determined from the viewpoint of a
person in the defendant's situation under the circumstances as the
defendant believed them to be. Nothing contained in this paragraph shall
constitute a defense to a prosecution for, or preclude a conviction of,
manslaughter in the first degree or any other crime; or
...
2. Under circumstances evincing a depraved indifference to human life,
he recklessly engages in conduct which creates a grave risk of death to
another person, and thereby causes the death of another person; or
...
Murder in the second degree is a class A-I felony.

[duhneece]

43. Thank you. Now I can compare & contrast with New Mexico

You provided a short & sweet summary. I really appreciate it.

[Faux pas]

6. Amen! +1000

[Comrade Grumpy]

7. I await the indictment. n/t

[christx30]

24. Can I borrow $50? I'll pay you back

as soon as this cop is indicted. (ha ha. Free money).

[bigwillq]

8. I agree.

K and R

[BlancheSplanchnik]

11. also agree with Al Sharpton.

10000%

[BlueJazz]

13. I agree. This storm trooper mentality has got to stop.

[malthaussen]

15. Seems reasonable to me.

If it's homicide, put the thug away. It's not like there is any confusion as to whom to arrest.

-- Mal

[Enthusiast]

16. I'm with you, Reverend AL.

Stop this incessant police brutality!

[jwirr]

17. Until we arrest, try and convict some of these violent police that we continue to read about this is

never going to stop. Right now it is easy for them to know they are going to get by with it because their bosses are going to protect them - few are ever even tried, let alone convicted. There is no deterrent for them.

[DhhD]

19. This is 2nd Degree murder because knowing that they can get off with it makes it ok

to plan an attack in readiness for when the next opportunity arises. Since the victim was very tall, the cop knew that he would be able to use the weight/mass of cop's body to completely collapse the arteries and veins maybe even compress the vertebrae into the spinal cord. What force does it take to close/collapse the arteries and/or the aorta due to pressure? Very little as he has been told down at the Police briefing room. I believe that the cop planned an execution that he knew he could get away with.

This is use of planned deadly force. Maybe that is murder 1.

[jwirr]

21. And all over some damn cigarettes. Really sad.

[bigdarryl]

20. Sharpton I hate to say is making the situation WORST!! here's why

He's not liked very much by the white community and he's calling for the arrest of a white cop the family would have been better to have someone else as a spokes person than Sharpton to make my point all you have to do is read some of the comments below the story

[7962]

23. I know some will disagree with you, but you're right. ANYONE could be a spokesman here.

He's not liked much by some in the black community either. There isnt any excuse for what happened, its taped for all to see, there's really no debating this is a crime. The family could've gotten any number of people with more credibility than Sharpton to represent them to the public.

[BronxBoy]

26. Not sure where your getting your info....

But Al Sharpton is pretty much beloved by the majority of our community. Hate to burst your bubble but Mr Sharpton was pretty much the ONLY guy who would take up these cases for years.

[bigdarryl]

61. True I agree you but have you listened to Warren Ballentine lately

I mean the shit that he is saying about Al is off the top

[BronxBoy]

63. Haven't listened to him in awhile Big D

I do know that I read somewhere that Warren is currently under indictment for mortgage fraud and since then he's taken a sharp turn to the right

What's he saying? They used to be tight

[bigdarryl]

64. He's on some local Atlanta station called empowerment radio with some guy

Name Dave Anderson he said Al is a payed FBI informant.All they push on there show is economic development in the black community and most Civil Rights leaders along with Sharpton are all payed FBI informants and are not real leaders.He's upset with Al because when he got in his little trouble with the Feds he said Al didn't do anything to help him when he reached out to him for help.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

50. You speak for the black community?

...

[bigdarryl]

60. Not as a whole but I listen to other African Americans who detest Al like

Warren Ballentine who is always saying negative shit on the radio.He calls Sharpton a phony Civil Rights Leader which I disagree with him on.

[7962]

65. I said "some". Does that mean the entire community? No.

But more and more are seeing through his charades over the years.
And again, with this case, anyone could have been their spokesperson. It was already national news anyway, it didnt need him to be a big story. People across the country are really getting sick of this shit.

[BronxBoy]

27. Like who, Brother????

And why should our community's desire for justice be guided by how this cops famy feels? This guy has already cost the city money because of his cowboy ways and there is another suit underway.

What about how our community feels?

[locdlib]

35. That's just it, BB.

So many don't care about how our community feels. The most unjustifiable crimes are done to us everyday, but we continue to be the ones who are told to "play nice." I'm way past sick of it.

[MrMickeysMom]

46. "hears why"?

[JI7]

22. i hope so, i felt so bad watching the video

and how he was struggling and telling them he couldn't breath.

[blkmusclmachine]

28. MUST. LOOK. FORWARD.

[savalez]

32. Must learn proper punctuation.

[Uncle Joe]

30. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, cal.

[DallasNE]

37. His Last Words Were "I Can't Breath"

And the police officer continued the choke hold until his body was motionless. There is a term for that. It is called murder.

[PoliticAverse]

38. No he had released the choke hold and was holding his head down..

[DallasNE]

40. Cause Of Death Was Choking

Which means he was already dead when they released the choke hold in order to hold his head down.

[PoliticAverse]

42. No because he was still saying "I can't breathe" after the choke hold was released.

Watch the video on youtube.

[BronxBoy]

44. What part of this don't you fucking understand????

"In ruling Garner's death a homicide, the medical examiner blamed "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."

That cop, who should have been booted from the force long ago, killed him no matter how you want to parse words or seek to find justifications for his actions.

[PoliticAverse]

48. I hope the person(s) prosecuting the case have more regards for the details than you do,

else defense lawyers will have an easy time of it and no one will be convicted.

[BronxBoy]

56. Whatever Dude....

you seem to have a hard on for absolving this piece of shit. Best of luck to you

[PoliticAverse]

57. You think the facts of the situation absolve the people involved? I don't. n/t

[MrMickeysMom]

47. He provoked acute bronchi-construction, resulting in death...

Yeah…. it's likely a person will note how bad their breathing is at that point, poster…

[savalez]

72. Sorry but...

The body needs more than just tiny gasps of air to survive but tiny gasps are enough to say "I can't breath."

Thinking "how can one say that they cannot breathe without breathing?" makes you a dream juror for the defense.

Not to mention that the medical examiner blamed "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."

That's all I'm going to say to you about this since you seem hell-bent in your foolish quest.

[BobbyBoring]

55. Not only that

There were what? 7 or 8 cops all told? Anyone that resorts to using an illegal choke hold with those odds is the worst kind of coward.
I hope he gets many years and serves it in general population.
If that happens, he won't last long.

[oldandhappy]

39. ugly situation

White cop probably gets off. Men so interested in their power. Maybe did not intend to kill but that is what happened. There must be consequences. I have my doubts.

[MrMickeysMom]

45. Arrest Ray Kelly, police commissioner…

(try to imagine all the coarse and filthy words I'd normally use here).

Dear Police Commissioner,

Choke your own chicken, you fascist piece of shit.

MMM

[PoliticAverse]

49. Ray Kelly isn't the current police commissioner, and when he was he banned choke holds....

Kelly Bans Choke Holds By Officers
By IAN FISHER
Published: November 24, 1993

The New York City Police Department has issued an order banning the use of choke holds, the restraining maneuvers that cut off the flow of blood and oxygen to the brain and have been blamed in the deaths of suspects here and around the nation.

From: http://www.nytimes.com/1993/11/24/nyregion/kelly-bans-choke-holds-by-officers.html

[MrMickeysMom]

52. How in the world did that get reversed?

[PoliticAverse]

54. It didn't. They're still banned by the NYPD. However it is apparent that some officers

are still using choke holds.

[kelliekat44]

62. I know Rev. Al wants to speak out against what is going on in Gaza...but he can't. nt