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Divernan

(15,480 posts)
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 12:50 PM Aug 2014

Venezuela to Send Aid to Gaza, Welcome Refugees, as Regional Leaders Condemn Assault

Source: venezuelanalysis.com

For over a decade, Venezuela has been an ardent supporter of Palestine. Former President Hugo Chavez was an outspoken critic of Israel's occupation of Palestine, and broke off diplomatic relations with Israel in 2009.

“[Venezuela] wants to convey ... solidarity at this time to the thousands of men, women, children and elderly people who are being massacred in Gaza by the state of Israel,” Jaua stated.

Last night, President Nicolas Maduro also announced that Venezuela would build a shelter in the South American country to welcome Palestinian child survivors of the conflict. Speaking on national television, he said that his government would suggest that regional allies do the same.

“We’re proposing in the heart of the Bolivarian Alliance for the Peoples of Our America (ALBA) that a shelter is created in our countries carrying the name of Hugo Chavez, to bring in the children of this war,” he stated.

Read more: http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10820

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Venezuela to Send Aid to Gaza, Welcome Refugees, as Regional Leaders Condemn Assault (Original Post) Divernan Aug 2014 OP
Venezuela can't even get it's own shit together, can't feed it's own people, IronGate Aug 2014 #1
Maduro is reaching for any gesture he can make COLGATE4 Aug 2014 #2
You are right. The US should welcome Gaza refugees. /nt Ash_F Aug 2014 #3
Maybe we should. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #4
Everything you said is true of the US, except the part about Electricity. candelista Aug 2014 #9
My thoughts exactly. By some accounts, they can't even find toilet paper. WTF? Tarheel_Dem Aug 2014 #22
UN Praises Venezuela’s “Generosity” to Colombian Refugees Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #23
Good for Venezuela. Deriders be damned. n/t Comrade Grumpy Aug 2014 #5
+1. The 'Murica capitalist gang hates seeing a socialist country care for the needy. Zorra Aug 2014 #6
Did you ever wonder why that free oil went to a small group of Americans? Psephos Aug 2014 #10
Uh, no. Citgo already has all the factors and means of production and distribution Zorra Aug 2014 #14
Outstanding information in your Time article. So worth keeping for future use. Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #16
Read up. It was part of a PR campaign to promote their image of social responsibility. Psephos Aug 2014 #18
I'm sorry, your argument is silly, and I can't waste any more time Zorra Aug 2014 #20
DU'ers have been discussing the oil which has gone to US Native American tribes Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #15
Wonderful information, thanks! Zorra Aug 2014 #17
So you think it was good social responsibility to ignore those who needed it far more? Psephos Aug 2014 #19
There has been a lot of available information for years regarding countries and islands Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #21
I am familiar with LIHEAP and other energy assistance programs, including the one by CITGO happyslug Aug 2014 #24
Very meaningful post. Thank you. n/t Judi Lynn Aug 2014 #25
I would have gone without heat for a month in new england one year without them Marrah_G Aug 2014 #28
Absolutely swilton Aug 2014 #7
How many Palestinian refugees is he expecting? oberliner Aug 2014 #8
i don't think it can happen Enrique Aug 2014 #11
They have a substantial Palestinian population. bemildred Aug 2014 #13
Because they know they may be next. They have oil and plenty of water...not to mention land. nt kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #12
You have GOT to be kidding. nt COLGATE4 Aug 2014 #26
Awesome leftynyc Aug 2014 #27
 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
1. Venezuela can't even get it's own shit together, can't feed it's own people,
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 12:58 PM
Aug 2014

can't get ahold of it's crime epidemic, can't keep the electricity on, can't house it's homeless, yet wants to send aid to the Gaza strip?
This has got to be an Onion.com article, Ooops, no it's not, it's a pro-ven. govt org.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
2. Maduro is reaching for any gesture he can make
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 01:18 PM
Aug 2014

to convince his people (and himself) that he's really in charge.

 

candelista

(1,986 posts)
9. Everything you said is true of the US, except the part about Electricity.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:52 PM
Aug 2014

But the Onion wouldn't publish it. Too sad.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
22. My thoughts exactly. By some accounts, they can't even find toilet paper. WTF?
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 07:07 PM
Aug 2014

And if they want to be so magnanimous, why don't they take in some of their regional refugees?

Judi Lynn

(160,541 posts)
23. UN Praises Venezuela’s “Generosity” to Colombian Refugees
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 09:56 PM
Aug 2014

UN Praises Venezuela’s “Generosity” to Colombian Refugees

CARACAS – The representative of the U.N. Refugee Agency in Venezuela spoke Tuesday about the “generosity” of the Venezuelan government toward the approximately 200,000 Colombians who have fled the internal conflict in their own country.

“I don’t feel there is any resentment, mistreatment or xenophobia towards Colombia. Venezuelans and the Venezuelan government are very generous toward the Colombians, as they are to other immigrants,” the UNHCR’s Mohammed Alwash told reporters on the occasion of World Refugee Day.

Political tensions between Caracas and Bogota because of the military pact between Bogota and Washington has not affected the close to 3,000 people who flee annually from Colombia to Venezuela because of “persecutions and threats of different armed groups and situations of extreme, widespread violence,” Alwash said.

“I don’t feel that Colombians or other refugees face any problems of persecution in Venezuela – to the contrary. I’ve been in many countries where normally there is a little resentment toward people moving in from other countries. Here it’s just the opposite, because this is a country of immigrants,” he said.

According to UNHCR figures, applications for refugee status submitted to the Venezuelan government in the first quarter of 2010 rose to 536, which confirms a “stable” trend of welcoming Colombian refugees.

More:
http://www.laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=358739&CategoryId=10717

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
6. +1. The 'Murica capitalist gang hates seeing a socialist country care for the needy.
Sat Aug 2, 2014, 02:26 PM
Aug 2014


They were horrified when Chavez gave free heating oil to poor Americans; giving away oil for free is even more distasteful and horrifying than free education and free medical care to them.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
10. Did you ever wonder why that free oil went to a small group of Americans?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:43 PM
Aug 2014

Instead of desperately poor people in elsewhere in the world?

There are a thousand more desperate people elsewhere for every one American who got some free heating oil. Not one, not two, not five, not ten, not fifty, not a hundred....and they got big fat squat.

So was it just a coincidence that the truly neediest were literally left out in the cold?



Zorra

(27,670 posts)
14. Uh, no. Citgo already has all the factors and means of production and distribution
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:43 PM
Aug 2014

of oil already in place in the US, which they don't have in other countries, allowing them to distribute heating oil to needy Americans at a minimum of expense. (In case you didn't know, Venezuela owns Citgo, the company that distributed the oil).

Ever wonder why Republicans hated Chavez giving free oil to needy folks in America?





Why Can't Big Oil Match Hugo Chávez?

The left-wing Chávez caught Washington by surprise in the fall of 2005 when he announced that Citgo — the Houston-based subsidiary of Venezuela's state-run oil firm, Petróleos de Venezuela — would give millions of gallons of heating oil at half price, and eventually free, to struggling households in the American Northeast and Midwest. By this year, the service has expanded to more than 200,000 families in 23 states. The partisan controversy around it has also grown. Republicans grouse that taking fuel from Chávez, America's chief antagonist in the hemisphere, is unpatriotic and simply aids his anti-U.S. foreign policy. Democrats and advocates for the poor disagree. In a website video for Boston-based Citizens Energy, which helps distribute the Citgo oil, director Joseph Kennedy, son of Senator Robert Kennedy, says, "Some people say it's bad politics to [accept the fuel]. I say it's a crime against humanity not to."

Chávez was responding to members of Congress who had made a public plea for oil companies to provide lower-cost home-heating oil to U.S. families squeezed by the rising price of fuel. No U.S.-owned firm stepped forward; Citgo did. (Sunoco has since set up a program that provides free heating oil to 1,100 residents in the Philadelphia area.) Admittedly, it was a chance for Chávez to showcase "one of our revolution's most important principles," as then Venezuelan Ambassador to the U.S. Bernardo Alvarez told TIME in 2006: "the redistribution of oil revenues, especially for the poor."

But the plummeting price of crude forced Chávez, who controls the hemisphere's largest oil reserves and is a major U.S. supplier, to turn off the Citgo spigot this week and focus more of his aid resources at home. Critics of Chávez point out that his need to shore up domestic funds is even more urgent because he's trying to win support for a national referendum, probably to be held next month, on whether to eliminate presidential-term limits and let him run again in 2012.

But late Wednesday afternoon, Citgo and Kennedy announced a reversal. Kennedy thanked Chávez for his "genuine concern for the most vulnerable," adding a bit of political choreography for the Venezuelan's benefit: "This decision is a clear, direct message from President Chávez of his desire to strengthen relations between his country and the U.S.," he said, "particularly at this time, when a new U.S. Administration is scheduled to be sworn in within the next few weeks."

http://content.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1870219,00.html


'Murica!

Judi Lynn

(160,541 posts)
16. Outstanding information in your Time article. So worth keeping for future use.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 06:02 PM
Aug 2014

It most certainly illustrates the difference between greedy me-first corporations and the human race, wouldn't you say?

Thank you so much for posting this. I am also so surprised to see Time publishing it! It reflects very well upon their better judgment when they run truthful information like this.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
18. Read up. It was part of a PR campaign to promote their image of social responsibility.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 06:07 PM
Aug 2014

Citgo developed and funded a national ad campaign in 2006 to highlight the company's corporate social responsibility.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/28/AR2006092800262.html

Joe Kennedy appeared on TV as a spokesman for them in 2007. The ads presented Joe-Sixpack Americans saying thanks to Citgo and Venezuela for providing discounted heating oil to some lower-income people. I will leave it to neutral speculation whether Joe Kennedy thought there was some political hay to be made there.

Meanwhile, a billion people who could have used that help WAY more were...ignored.

Read this:

Is Citgo Program for Poor or Chavez?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/23/AR2007022302000.html


And - about that infrastructure you mentioned. lol

The Citgo HQ is in Houston. Their refineries are in Lake Charles, Louisiana
Corpus Christi, Texas and Lemont, Illinois. The program was administered as vouchers. I guess if you call a postage stamp infrastructure, what you said makes some sense.

Oil is fungible. Don't look foolish by not knowing what that means.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
20. I'm sorry, your argument is silly, and I can't waste any more time
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 06:46 PM
Aug 2014

on your nonsensical RW propaganda.

Judi Lynn

(160,541 posts)
15. DU'ers have been discussing the oil which has gone to US Native American tribes
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:56 PM
Aug 2014

and to other US citizens whose Democratic Congressmen, governors, mayors secured deeply discounted oil for the neediest among us starting in 2005, when they ran out of oil companies they had believed might be moved to provide assistance with cheaper heating oil for the harsh, deadly winters here.

Once they had gained audience with the US oil companies, they were blown off, told to pound sand. It was only AFTER they had been rejected by domestically owned companies that the next step was Venezuela.

It was a topic of conversation at DU for many, many years, and was even covered by corporate tv and print "news."

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From DU'er Cal04:

cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-15-07 08:14 PM
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Venezuelan Oil Reaches Alaska Villages

Alaskan villages have begun receiving a much-criticized donation of heating fuel from the Venezuelan oil company Citgo, about two months later than organizers had hoped.

More than 11,000 homes in rural Alaska are eligible for 100 gallons each as part of Citgo's pledge to donate 1 million gallons of heating fuel to poor Americans.

Coordinators of the giveaway, led by the Alaska Inter-Tribal Council, had hoped vouchers would reach villages by Nov. 1. But Citgo needed paperwork verifying addresses and head of households for every home in more than 150 villages - an enormous undertaking in many remote areas, said Steve Sumida of the tribal council.

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``It was a great way to start the new year,'' said Gambell resident Jennifer Apatiki, whose husband hauled home a 55-gallon drum of free heating oil late last month. Heating fuel costs $4.65 a gallon in Gambell, and Apatiki said she has spending more than $600 a month to heat her home this winter.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2690295
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From DU'er PeacePatriot:

U.S. Poor to Benefit from 6th Year of Subsidized Venezuelan Heating Oil
By JUAN REARDON – VENEZUELANALYSIS.COM

Mérida, January 28th 2011 (Venezuelanalysis.com) – Yesterday Venezuela’s Petroluem Corporation, CITGO announced the start of its sixth year providing subsidized heating oil to low-income people in the United States. An estimated 132,000 households across the U.S. will benefit from the program this year, amounting to $60 million dollars worth of savings.

Joseph P. Kennedy II, son of the late U.S politician Robert Kennedy and president of Citizen Energy Corporation, the U.S.-based non-profit organization that partnered with Citgo in 2005 to launch the Citgo-Venezuela Heating Oil Program, spoke at the Citgo ceremony on Thursday.

“Every year, we hear from families who struggle each and every day to put food on the table and heat their homes,” he said.

“We are deeply grateful to CITGO and the people of Venezuela for their generosity... Every year, we ask major oil companies and oil-producing nations to help our senior citizens and the poor make it through winter, and only one company, CITGO, and one country, Venezuela, has responded to our appeals,” he said.

In 2010, an estimated 500,000 people in the U.S. benefited from the program....in 25 states.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x47806
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From DU'er Joanne98
Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 03:57 PM
Original message

Hugo Chavez steps up for Native Americans and the poor
http://www.nativetimes.com/index.asp?action=displayarti...

Tim Giago (Nanwica Kciji) 3/19/2007

Native American journalist Jodi Lee Rave of Lee Enterprise Newspapers was recently lambasted in a letter to the editor to our local daily for having the temerity to laud the donation of funds for heating fuel for the very poor Indian nations of the Northern Plains.
The criticism was initiated by the fact that the donor was the Citgo Petroleum Corporation based in Houston, Texas and headed by the President of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez, the man reviled by many Americans for referring to President George W. Bush on the floor of the United Nations as the “Devil.”
How did it happen that the President of Venezuela reached out to help the poor and the indigenous people of the United States? After two major hurricanes devastated the Southern U. S., a group of U. S. Senators sent out a plea to the major oil companies to help low-income families with energy assistance. Most major oil companies were coming off of scandalous profits because of the sharp rise in fuel costs. Only one company heeded the plea of the senators and that was Citgo Petroleum Corporation headed by Chavez.
Federal and state funding for low-income energy assistance programs has dropped dramatically in the past few years. A late winter blast in the Northern Plains hit at a time when most of the federal dollars for low-income energy assistance had run out. The late winter freeze left many indigenous people in dire straits. When it comes to a matter of surviving, Indians and other impoverished people reach out to any assistance available. Olympic Gold Medallist Billy Mills, an Oglala Lakota, used his non-profit Running Strong Foundation to raise energy funds for some low-income households, but even his generosity could not fill the need.
Many tribes in Montana and North and South Dakota were advised to attend a meeting in Polson, Montana on December 13, 2006 to listen and discuss how they could avail themselves of the money for heating assistance. Rafael Gomez, Vice President of Citgo, and Brian O’Connor of the Citizens Energy Corporation of Boston attended the meeting. O’Connor’s non-profit organization administered the program last year and would be charged with administering the program for the Indian tribes.
Although major oil corporations like Exxon had reaped more profit last year than at any time in their history, they declined the invitation to lend a helping hand to the poor people of America. Hugo Chavez stepped in to fill the gap. What motives would prompt him to do this? Certainly it would not help him politically, at least not in America where one of this Nation’s top religious figures, Pat Robertson, called for his assassination.
Some of the very poor Indian tribes like the Chippewa Cree of the Rocky Boy Reservation in Montana, the Cheyenne River and the Oglala Sioux Tribes in South Dakota needed the funds in order to keep their people from freezing to death and accepted the donation from Mr. Chavez willingly. Where was the rich casino owning tribes? Busy counting their money I would guess.
There is an old saying out here that goes, “You will know me better when you walk a mile in my moccasins.” Hugo Chavez is a member of an indigenous tribe in Venezuela. He has been called “Indio” and worse while growing up as the child of very poor parents. He has walked in the moccasins of the indigenous people.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x269818
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From DU'er Catherina:

A Song for Hugo Chavez
Friday, 15 March 2013 12:47
By Winona LaDuke, Indian Country Today Media Network

...

I was a great admirer of Hugo Chavez, thankful for his generosity, his courage, his leadership, and his commitment to Indigenous peoples.

My first memory of Venezuela, being an American educated child, was dim. But, I do remember pictures of Native people in the Venezuelan jungle being gunned down, and hanging like deer from trees- the result of gold prospecting in their territories. The year was 1977. That is a stark image- one where humans are treated like game animals, and I have never forgotten it.

...

At a 2005 Congressional hearing , oil executives were being chastised because corporate earnings were matched with dire conditions in many communities. Exxon Mobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, BP and Royal Dutch/Shell reported total earnings last quarter of nearly $33 billion. In the meantime, many Americans were facing fuel poverty, absolute hardship about keeping their houses warm. Twelve U.S. Senators asked oil companies to donate some of their record-setting profits to people in need.

Citgo was the only company to respond. Citgo Petroleum, joined with Citizens Energy under the leadership of Joseph Kennedy and began distribution of fuel oil from the Bronx and Brooklyn to the Alaskan Sub Arctic. Our reservation was included. Our first year, we received roughly $l.7 million in fuel assistance, and this continued for six years since. Each year, tribes in northern Minnesota, North Dakota and elsewhere have benefitted from the largesse of the Venezuelan government owned Citgo Petroleum Corp. As the price of fuel went up, 240 tribal communities received hundreds of millions of dollars of fuel assistance as fuel prices skyrocketed.

Some politicians encouraged our tribes to turn down the money, but Wayne Bonne of the Fond du Lac tribe, commented, "to us, it would be a foolish move. We're not a wealthy tribe," Bohn said. "We could make a political statement, but making a political statement while your people freeze is not very wise."

...

http://www.truth-out.org/speakout/item/15145-a-song-for-hugo-chavez
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110810298
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This is the story of how several U.S. based organisations asked every oil company operating in America for assistance to provide free or cheap heating oil to the disadvantaged in the United States of America.

Exxon , BP and all the major and minor oil firm refused point blank.All except one.That company was the Venezuelan state run oil giant PDVSA and there state owned subsidiery CITGO :-



CITGO, Venezuela Distributes Oil To U.S. Services
January 8th 2008, by Tony Aiello - WCBSTV

NEW YORK (CBS) ― For scores of low-income families it will be like the equivalent of winning a small lottery jackpot. A program run by former Congressman Joe Kennedy will deliver free heating oil – donated by Citgo and the Chavez regime in Venezuela – to some 200,000 households. CBS 2 takes a look at how the program works, and who qualifies.

~snip~
According to CITGO, The CITGO-Venezuela Heating Oil Program will provide an estimated 112 million gallons of fuel this winter to be distributed in more than 224,000 households and 250 social service providers in 23 states. These totals include the CITGO-Venezuela Tribal Heating Oil Program.

Once CBS 2 was able to get through, operators said they would send an application, asking basic information about household size and annual income.

Kennedy's office disclosed the income limit as 60 percent of the state median. So a New York family of four, for example, must make less than $43,302 to qualify. The only income verification is your signature, certifying you are telling the truth.

Santiago applied on Dec. 4, 2007, and a week later received a voucher to pay her oil company when it delivered 100 gallons on Dec. 14.Santiago says it's almost $400 she won't have to spend, warming her home. For many, that's a warm thought.

Kennedy's office says every qualifying household that applies will be approved until all the available oil is allocated. That is projected to occur before the application period ends on Feb. 29, so the time to apply is now.
source http://wcbstv.com/local/joe.kennedy.citgo.2.624860.html

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A ton of easily located information beckons you to familiarize yourself with the facts.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
19. So you think it was good social responsibility to ignore those who needed it far more?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 06:11 PM
Aug 2014

Because they didn't serve the political or PR agenda? More particularly, because they didn't live in America. There were literally a billion or more people who needed that more.

Please explain that logic to me.

In my view, the neediest should receive first attention. Even if it conflicts with the ad agency's recommendations.

Judi Lynn

(160,541 posts)
21. There has been a lot of available information for years regarding countries and islands
Mon Aug 4, 2014, 05:59 AM
Aug 2014

which have been receiving discounted Venezuelan oil since 1999, when Hugo Chavez expanded upon a program which was already in place, starting decades ago with Venezuela and Mexico supplying cheap oil to poor countries which could NOT pay the full price for the oil it needed.

A quick search grab which should throw a little light on the subject:


Latin America and Caribbean Won’t Lose Oil Aid from Venezuela
Analysis by Marianela Jarroud

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Regional energy integration was one of the key focuses of Chávez, who governed the South American oil-producing country since 1999.

By means of the policy of energy integration and cooperation promoted by the state oil company Petróleos de Venezuela S.A. (PDVSA), Chávez distributed energy in the region in order to boost the development of the countries that had the most difficulty paying their energy bills.

The foremost example is the Petrocaribe energy alliance, created in 2005 and involving 18 countries to which Venezuela supplies up to 185,000 barrels per day (bpd) of crude.

Petrocaribe offers financing for up to 50 percent of the value of the oil, payable over 25 years at an interest rate of two percent.

The Petrocaribe programme extended new benefits to more countries than came under the San José agreement, signed in 1980, under which Mexico and Venezuela jointly supplied oil on preferential terms to 11 Central American and Caribbean countries.

More:
http://www.ipsnews.net/2013/03/latin-america-wont-lose-cheap-oil-from-venezuela/

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Clearly this service to the poor is a little more well considered, refined, and worthwhile than something improvised by an ad agency to gain Chavez some popularity in the US among the poor here, as you claim.
 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
24. I am familiar with LIHEAP and other energy assistance programs, including the one by CITGO
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 03:00 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Tue Aug 5, 2014, 03:35 PM - Edit history (1)

All of them give priority to the most needed. Yes Citgo's program has a huge propaganda basis, but from the reports I have read, it also prioritizes getting fuel to the poor.

The main attack on Citgo's program is it tends to be independent of the local Welfare office, on the grounds the Welfare Office is just to slow at providing the assistance. I deal with the Welfare Office and the level of Red Tape required by Welfare Offices in regard to any benefits, often outweighs the benefit of Welfare. About 20 years ago it was proposed to reduce the cost of Welfare by reducing the various controls to prevent fraud, on the simple grounds any controls to prevent fraud should NEVER exceed the cost of the Fraud.

I have an accounting undergraduate degree and that concept was drill home to me in Collage. It is the test used by ALL private businesses. i.e No $10 locks on 50 cent items.

On the other hand, so many politicians are worried about having to run against an attack ad about some "Welfare queen", that every state in the Union AND the Federal Government have impose so many requirements on Welfare just to make sure every dollar goes to a "worthy recipient" that the best way to reduce welfare costs is to reduce these controls, i.e. leave more people NOT eligible for welfare get Welfare, for it is cheaper then the controls we have today to prevent such people from getting welfare.

Thus Citgo goes through NON Governmental agencies when it gives out fuel, on the grounds more of the money goes to the people to buy fuel, then to the bureaucrats who distribute the money for the fuel.

Right winger HATE Citgo for this, for this actually strengthens those groups that help the poor, but they have no control over for they are NON governmental agencies (often church related). Worse, those right wing churches that support the right wing rarely get involve is such programs, but left wing churches or left wing branches of churches do (as well as left wing groups who are NOT tied in with a Church).

People forget, William Jennings Bryan was considered the most religious person to ever run for President as a Candidate for a Major Party, but he was LEFT WING. That left wing stayed with the Democratic Party after his death in 1925 and was a key to FDR's coalition of 1932-1968 (Herbert Hoover called the New Deal "Bryanism without Bryan).

It was the GOP that supported the present restrictions on Churches endorsing Candidates that was passed in the early 1950s. The reason for this support on these restrictions by the GOP was to cut the ties between progressive churches and the Democratic Party. The law was intended to force left wing churches out of politics (and to a good degree it did, took almost another generation but most left wing churches were out of politics by the 1960s).

Side note: One of the reason Democrats supported Prohibition in 1919 was to separate bars from the hold of the GOP. Prior to the 1920s, one of the key to GOP victory was their control of Saloons. Democrats also controlled saloons and sold drinks for votes, but in this practice the GOP had the Democrats beat hands down, thus the Democrats supported Prohibition for it permitted closing of most urban saloons, which had been nothing but branches of the GOP since the Civil War. Thus changes in the law have been supported by one party or the other when it came to weakening the other party.

As to Right Wing Churches, they either made divisions so that they could still stay in politics (Churches were NOT used, but TV and Radio were) or just ignored the law.

I bring this up, for much of CITGO's fuel donation ended up being handled by such left wing churches AND other left wing groups. Right wingers ignored it (through some did participate accepting the assistance on the grounds they member needed the help, a key to Christianity in the first place). Right wingers also hated that by NOT using the State Welfare System, CITGO could provide more aid at less cost, showing that much of the cost of welfare are the controls to prevent Fraud NOT welfare Fraud.

Sorry, when you read that CITGO did not go to the neediness, it generally means CITGO did not go through the Welfare system on the grounds they are more cost effective ways to aid low income people. The main problem with most Welfare Offices is they have excessive controls to prevent fraud (And many states forbade them for working with CITGO on the grounds it helped the poor).

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
7. Absolutely
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:05 PM
Aug 2014

Regardless of how strongly some would demonize the source of this humanitarian gesture, they are unable to diminish its nobility as well as the need of those who would be its beneficiaries.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. How many Palestinian refugees is he expecting?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:13 PM
Aug 2014

Have there been such refugees in the past? Is this something that will actually happen?

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
11. i don't think it can happen
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:20 PM
Aug 2014

as far as I know, the only place Gazans can flee to is the UN shelters in Gaza.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. Awesome
Tue Aug 5, 2014, 09:28 AM
Aug 2014

I'm sure hamas will get right on helping their people. Right after they buy more weapons, rockets and build more tunnels.

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