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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:35 PM Mar 2012

Gun enthusiasts start defense fund for George Zimmerman

Source: Sun Sentinal



A firearms website created by some Tampa gun enthusiasts announced today it is collecting money to help pay for George Zimmerman's legal defense.

Christopher Kossmann, 23, and three friends founded Legal Boom: Gun law for the Gunshine State last year to explain Florida's self-defense laws, he said.

Describing legalboom.org as a "hobbyist website," Kossman said none of the members are lawyers and they pay expenses out of their pockets. He has not met Zimmerman, 28, but is trying to reach his attorney, Craig Sonner of Altamonte Springs to discuss the fundraising effort.

Zimmerman told Sanford police he killed Trayvon Martin, 17, in self defense on Feb. 26. The death of the unarmed teen prompted a nationwide controversy and the killing remains under investigation by a special prosecutor.

Read more: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/os-zimmerman-defense-fund-20120329,0,5006191.story

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Gun enthusiasts start defense fund for George Zimmerman (Original Post) kpete Mar 2012 OP
And of course, this will be used by some as an excuse to treat everyone with a gun as a maniac. TheWraith Mar 2012 #1
It is pretty damned contemptible, I hope you agree. hlthe2b Mar 2012 #4
I think you are wrong this time. Even Joe s & Mica came out against Z. I think this is a time peacebird Mar 2012 #7
I do hope you are correct. nt nanabugg Apr 2012 #35
Is the NRA blameless too? lunatica Mar 2012 #21
Can we treat THOSE guys with guns who are doing the collection as the maniacs they are? 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #32
Uggh... it is this extremist attitude and the unquestioning defense of NRA and its policies... hlthe2b Mar 2012 #2
Hmm. Agree and disagree. AtheistCrusader Mar 2012 #16
Fucking figures! Ecumenist Mar 2012 #3
By funding a "defense," they acknowledge that Zimmerman commited a crime, chollybocker Mar 2012 #5
No, they are acknowledging they feel Zimmerman will charged with a crime. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2012 #11
Gun enthusiasts should sit this one out. Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #6
The smart ones will Major Nikon Mar 2012 #8
Not me guitar man Mar 2012 #9
+1 denem Mar 2012 #14
Bingo Speaker Apr 2012 #34
i doubt they`ll get enough money for any lawyer who would take this case madrchsod Mar 2012 #10
Think again. A high profile case like this will attract a lot of potential lawyers wanting to make a totodeinhere Mar 2012 #12
I still believe it is all about the race. shimonitanegi Mar 2012 #13
Wuz a time durin the pistol packin west when if'n a man shot an unarmed man he wuz hung Monk06 Mar 2012 #15
'Lest'n he was stealing a horse JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2012 #19
Or russlin cattle lunatica Mar 2012 #22
if they want to set fire to their money, let them... Blue_Tires Mar 2012 #17
Murder enthusiasts Hawkowl Mar 2012 #18
Yet yesterday... primavera Apr 2012 #28
That's the way it works Hawkowl Apr 2012 #31
Morons! kenfrequed Mar 2012 #20
Won't matter... ellisonz Mar 2012 #23
Right wing douchebag vigilante gun nuts defending the indefensible jpak Mar 2012 #24
And the "enthusiasts" wonder why people like me crim son Mar 2012 #25
"The Gunshine State" ! MrMickeysMom Mar 2012 #26
The cowboys live...he was not the Lone Ranger, but NRA would have you believe he was. nt mother earth Mar 2012 #27
I noticed a couple teaching freepers lately Kingofalldems Apr 2012 #29
they should give money to other murderers lovemydog Apr 2012 #30
THESE are gun nuts. 2ndAmForComputers Apr 2012 #33

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
1. And of course, this will be used by some as an excuse to treat everyone with a gun as a maniac.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:39 PM
Mar 2012

Even though public opinion runs pretty heavily against the guy including among the hundred million or so Americans who own guns.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
7. I think you are wrong this time. Even Joe s & Mica came out against Z. I think this is a time
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 10:01 PM
Mar 2012

When the outrage of normal everyday Americans has crossed political boundaries and the gun issue.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
21. Is the NRA blameless too?
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 02:09 PM
Mar 2012

I've never criticized anyone for owning guns. But I sure as hell think the NRA is corrupt and contemptible in it's corporatist lobbying and it's use of fearmongering and fomenting of racial hatred in order to sell as many weapons as it can.

hlthe2b

(102,283 posts)
2. Uggh... it is this extremist attitude and the unquestioning defense of NRA and its policies...
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:43 PM
Mar 2012

that leads to ambivalence towards even our progressive and (hopefully) more rational gun-owners.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
16. Hmm. Agree and disagree.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 11:37 AM
Mar 2012

"It is not to be thought of in a civilized community for a moment that any citizen put in jeopardy of life or liberty should be debarred of counsel because he is too poor to employ such aid," the Indiana court wrote. "No court could be expected to respect itself to sit and hear such a trial. The defense of the poor in such cases is a duty which will at once be conceded as essential to the accused, to the court and to the public."

Sounds like Zimmerman was between jobs, so on the one hand, I support his access to legal defense, just as ANY citizen, no matter how apparently innocent or heinous. If some people want to raise some money for that, fine. On the other hand, I don't think 'gun owners' have any particular dog in this fight, as the law didn't protect what he did at all. As a gun owner, I don't particularly want to be associated with this effort.

chollybocker

(3,687 posts)
5. By funding a "defense," they acknowledge that Zimmerman commited a crime,
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:47 PM
Mar 2012

despite the law designed to circumvent such a lynchi... precarious situation.

Petard >>> Hoist!

 

Devil_Fish

(1,664 posts)
6. Gun enthusiasts should sit this one out.
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:58 PM
Mar 2012

Morons..... ... I Like guns. I don't own one now because I have a two year old. Stupid Gun Nuts jumping to Z's defence just makes sain gun supporters look bad. Oh but what about Poor, Poor Zimerman??

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
8. The smart ones will
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 10:26 PM
Mar 2012

The ones who look at the world through their paranoid fringenut goggles won't. Sadly there's no shortage of the latter.

guitar man

(15,996 posts)
9. Not me
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 10:44 PM
Mar 2012

You could call me a "gun enthusiast", I have a fair sized collection. They'll get no support from me, what their guy did was wrong, and I'd be willing to bet that "racist assholes start defense fund" would be a more appropriate headline.

 

Speaker

(233 posts)
34. Bingo
Mon Apr 2, 2012, 03:21 AM
Apr 2012
"racist assholes start defense fund"

I bleed cosmoline and I wouldn't give these fuckers a penny.

They own guns to impress their buddies at the Klavern.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
12. Think again. A high profile case like this will attract a lot of potential lawyers wanting to make a
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 12:45 AM
Mar 2012

name for themselves defending Zimmerman. And that's fine with me. Like any other defendant, if he is charged he will be entitled to competent legal representation.

shimonitanegi

(114 posts)
13. I still believe it is all about the race.
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:13 AM
Mar 2012

If Martin were white and the killer were black, I don't think they would defend the perp. Instead, they will propagate a message that says "if only Martin had a gun..."

Monk06

(7,675 posts)
15. Wuz a time durin the pistol packin west when if'n a man shot an unarmed man he wuz hung
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 03:30 AM
Mar 2012

Now any coward with a gun and a chip on his shoulder can hunt human beings and not be arrested.
 

Hawkowl

(5,213 posts)
18. Murder enthusiasts
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 12:09 PM
Mar 2012

Anyone who supports Zimmerman in the name of "gun rights" is a murder enthusiast, not a gun enthusiast.

(I do not own a gun, but am pro gun ownership, anti-gun registration.)

primavera

(5,191 posts)
28. Yet yesterday...
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 06:58 PM
Apr 2012

... he was a gun enthusiast whose right to own an unregistered fire arm was championed by you. Today, now that he's actually killed someone, it's so easy to distance oneself from that fact and claim that he's a murder who would never be supported by any rational person, and so wash one's hands of any responsibility. Neat trick, that.

 

Hawkowl

(5,213 posts)
31. That's the way it works
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 11:18 PM
Apr 2012

Guns are specifically invented, designed, and manufactured to kill people. Owning them is legal. Pursuing, harassing, hunting down and killing people is not.

Criminals have easy access to guns which necessitates that law abiding citizens should have access as well for defensive purposes. I know the statistics, so don't quote them. I do not own a gun because I do not want to kill anyone.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
20. Morons!
Fri Mar 30, 2012, 01:58 PM
Mar 2012

If they had an ounce of sense they would decry Zimmerman's activites and claim that the law in question offers no protection for his attack.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
26. "The Gunshine State" !
Sat Mar 31, 2012, 10:56 AM
Mar 2012

That's fucking classic...

I lived in the Sunshine state for 30 years, and I now visit the Gunshine state, remembering what the fucking gun lobby and Republicans did to it.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
30. they should give money to other murderers
Sun Apr 1, 2012, 10:27 PM
Apr 2012

because hey, why not completely confuse your love of guns with their misuse

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