Egypt blames Hamas for IDF's ground offensive

[question everything]

Source: JerusalemPost

The Egyptian foreign minister said Thursday that Hamas is at fault for the IDF's need to enter Gaza in a ground operation.

"Had Hamas accepted the Egyptian proposal, it could have saved the lives of at least 40 Palestinians," said Sameh Shoukri, Egypt's FM, as reported by Egyptian state news agency MENA.

Egypt had attempted to broker a truce deal between Israel and Hamas. Israel accepted the plan, but Hamas rejected the plan. The Israeli Security Cabinet on Sunday morning accepted the original Egyptian proposal for a ceasefire that, from Israel's perspective, went into effect at 9:00 am. Hamas quickly broke the ceasefire by continuing to launch rockets into Israel.

Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said Monday night in response an Egyptian ceasefire proposal that his movement would not accept any truce that excludes the conditions of the Palestinian groups and people.

Read more: http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Egypt-blames-Hamas-for-IDFs-ground-operation-363300

[jonjensen]

1. The children of gaza will decide it

This will be a contest between the corrupt netanhayu government and the children of gaza to see who is tougher who can take it and come back for more saying is that all you got. We have plenty of children ready to die for gaza. Unless the children of israel demand netanayhu stop killing palestinian children.

[ballyhoo]

2. Well said. Netanyahu is

the Dick Cheney of Israel. The other thing is many people are watching these confrontations, which have been going on for years. Somehow, someone will come to your aid. My words may ring hollow but I mean them. Were I not so old, I would come.

[ballyhoo]

4. I presume you have diagrams and pictures of what

you described that you can share. Hamas lives like the rest of the Palestines from what I've heard.

[JackRiddler]

5. Oh come on, here's a diagram.

The Hamas super-luxury underground fortress: Voila!

[ballyhoo]

6. bin Laden isn't Hamas. And I doubt the efficacy

of your drawing, which looks more like Batman's cave.

[JackRiddler]

9. Hush! Just change the labels.

Weren't you around when this (completely fictional) luxury cave was a big propaganda item back in 2001? Or are you a young one?

All I'm saying is that some lies are perennials.

[ballyhoo]

10. Oh, okay, Jack. Sorry. I am very sensitive today about

what has happened. No, not young. 68 going on 92. I now remember the picture.

[zonkers]

12. I like the version with the wolf grill, pizza oven and billiard room.

[WatermelonRat]

37. I doubt they're 'luxurious'

But it's not controversial that a number of top Hamas officials are sheltering in underground bunkers until things settle down. That's why there haven't been any big names killed so far.

[JDPriestly]

17. I agree.

A cease-fire proposed by Egypt? And Hamas rejects it?

How can anyone sympathize with Hamas. Is a cease-fire really all that hard to keep?

Hamas showed its hand. The Palestinians have defeated their own cause by allowing Hamas to decide how to proceed with regard to negotiating peace and cease-fires.

"We have plenty of children ready to die for gaza."

That is just nauseating. How heartless.

My mother taught me, "It's not what you have but what you do with what you have."

The Palestinians have received lots of aid money and have done nothing with it. And now, they complain that they have nothing and are victims. That is morally indefensible.

Palestinians know better than to pick fights with Israel. Why do they continue to do it?

[7962]

21. Of course you're right, but look at the posts above yours. Sad how propaganda still works

They choose to ignore the bombs found in the UN school the other day, the tunnels into Israel, the attackers caught with explosives, the fiery speeches of Hamas leaders saying all Gazans are "human shields", the speeches calling ALL Israelis legitimate targets, etc etc.
Even the Egyptians have tired of this same old routine caused by people who refuse to even show Israel on a map. But I guess the Egyptians are "Israeli apologists" too, huh?

[JDPriestly]

33. Why is it that Israel's side gets so little discussion?

I have a lot of friends who have fallen for the whole anti-Israel thing. It's ridiculous. I have watched the scene in Palestine all my life because my father was very concerned about the "refugees" in Palestine. The world was full of refugees in 1949. I remember. I was a child. There are two European "refugees" who married into my family.

At the end of a war, people are displaced and told move or else. That's one of the reasons we don't want wars.

The Palestinians have lots of options. They don't choose to take them.

Change happens. We all have to adjust to it. How many times have I moved in my life. As I said, my family includes refugees. They did not want to move, but international decisions forced them to.

The Palestinians need to get with the times. If they accepted Israel, they would have a much better chance of being able to regain what they feel was taken from them. If there were peace in the area, there would be more trust and more cooperation, less fear on the part of Israelis of living side-by-side with the Palestinians.

I always wonder to what extent the Palestinian hatred for Israel is actually the same old anti-Jewish sentiment that infected Europe and is still common around the world.

[7962]

39. You've hit it. That and the propaganda that those who are eager to blame anything Western love.

[daleo]

41. Those arguments would apply to any case of ethnic cleansing

So they are not good arguments.

Some Palestinians have moved on to new lives in new countries, as Some Europeans did after WW2. But most European displaced persons were ultimately resettled in their original homelands. Whole nations just don't get up and move, except at the point of guns (trail of tears, expulsion of Acadians are examples) or natural disaster (prehistoric migration due to climate change, for example).

[MrBig]

28. Wow

Talking about the willingness of children to die like it's a point of pride? That's sick.

[JI7]

7. this is because of Hamas support for muslim brotherhood

[question everything]

14. Not necessarily

How would you feel if you were trying to mediate between two people, or two groups, one accepted the other did not and things get worse? Egypt, like everyone else, has pride.

In another report I've read of a cartoon in an Egyptian paper saying that had Turkey or Qatar offered to mediate, Hamas would have accepted it.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

38. i think one of the reasons Hamas might have refused the cease fire

was that Egypt negotiated it with Israel without involving Hamas at all, so basically telling them "here is a cease fire made with no input from you, now accept it or continue to suffer"

A proper agreement should involve all parties(directly or indirectly) not only one of em

[Comrade Grumpy]

8. The current Egyptian government is no friend of Hamas.

Hamas is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, you know, the folks the current Egyptian government overthrew, massacred, and repressed.

[ballyhoo]

11. We had planned on visiting Egypt this year--but not now, or

probably ever.

[Archae]

13. And they are correct.

Hamas has no sense of what is reality and what is just their bizarre fantasies.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2014/07/hamas_is_destroying_gaza_the_palestinian_militant_organization_is_sacrificing.html

[question everything]

15. Indeed. Thank you for the link

It seems that martyrdom is more important than providing for their people. Yes, many lost their jobs in Israel, yes, limited supplies are going through but why should Israel accommodate them if all they get are missiles? This is a country full of Jews, they do not believe in turning the other cheek..

[Archae]

16. Exactly. But these are not statements from Israel, these are Hamas thugs.

And you damn right they are thugs.

“Cease-fire wasn't our goal when we fought.” (Sami Abu Zuhri, Hamas spokesman)

“In times of war, you don't cease fire and then negotiate.” (Fawzi Barhum, Hamas spokesman)

“The sections calling for calm are offering a free service to the Israeli enemy.” (Mushir al-Masri, a Hamas member of the Palestinian Legislative Council)

“Our battle with the enemy continues and will increase in ferocity and intensity.” (Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas)

“We will continue to bomb until our conditions are met.” (Qassam Brigades)

"Your government claimed yesterday that it ceased fire, but without agreeing to carry out our conditions, and it thinks that we will hasten to cease fire. To the contrary, we hurried to strike every place in Israel, from Dimona to Haifa, and we forced you to hide in shelters like mice. We again caution: If your government doesn’t agree to all our conditions, all of Israel will remain a legal target for our fire."

But...the "Palestinians can do no wrong" groupies will continue to condemn Israel, letting Hamas do whatever they want...

[7962]

22. Excellent article! And no one can accuse you of posting from a "right wing" site either

But be careful, facts on this matter are liable to be hidden by jury!!

[Fred Sanders]

27. 250 dead to 1. Propagandize that.

The child body county is 50 to 0. Mention that, and then justifying it is your next task.

[JDPriestly]

18. Good point!

The Palestinians would receive so much assistance and international support if they didn't follow bizarre fantasies about their insane crusade against Israel.

They'd probably have peace and be on their way toward being trusted partners in at least a federation with Israel if, from the very beginning, they had accepted the partition and demanded lots of assistance to make their part of the area a great place to live.

Instead all this violence.

[DeSwiss]

19. Exactly.

- The Palestinians should stand quietly, until the day when they're finally pushed into the sea. I mean, there's no point in anyone getting hurt.

[7962]

23. Mubarek isnt in charge anymore and neither is the Muslim Brotherhood

[Fred Sanders]

26. What part of Egypt is a military dictatorship escapes you?

[7962]

29. Dont see a lot of shootings or assaults in the street anymore either; you preferred the Brotherhood?

[Fred Sanders]

30. I prefer the democratically elected government of any nation, you do not, we will never agree.

[7962]

31. It was just the Egyptian version of a "recall"! They saw what they got wasnt what they voted for.

[Jeneral2885]

24. Good on Egypt

Lest people forget, Hamas is firing rockets towards Israel. Everyone who supports the Palestinians seems to think Hamas is a the greatest human rights defender.

[DeadLetterOffice]

25. Not a headline I ever, EVER thought I'd see. n/t

[7962]

32. Wont see a lot of posts on this thread; doesnt further the anti-Israel narrative.

The Egyptians have actually been tiring of them for some time now, but have been tied up with getting their own house in order. Now it'd be nice to see the Jordanians and others join in and things may actually start to improve for the palestinians

[Comrade Grumpy]

34. You're funny.

You describe the anti-democratic military coup that reestablished the Mubarek-era deep state, massacred hundreds of people in the street, jailed thousands of others, sentenced hundreds to death in kangaroo courts, and is now also eating up the "pro-democracy" activists who stupidly supported the coup as "getting their own house in order."

And by "the Egyptians," you mean the coup government.

And of course you hope the freaking monarch in Jordan will help.

What would improve things for the Palestinians would be the lifting of the Israeli jackboot from their necks. The occupation has been ongoing for 47 years now. If Israel wants peace, make peace.

[7962]

35. Since Jordan was part of the original '47 partition, why SHOULDNT they be involved??

Why does no one ask for contributions from Jordan for a Palestinian state? Why is that such a hard thing to comprehend? Israel/Jordan happened at the same time.

[Rhinodawg]

36. Even Egypt is repulsed by the Hamas murderers.

and I haven't heard a word from any other arab country.

[kelliekat44]

40. Yes, of course, and look who is running Egypt now: the folks who overturned a democratically elected

government and brutally killed the opposition....their tactics are just like Israel's so I am not surprised they would blame Israeli carnage on the victims.