Israel hit by rockets fired from Lebanon

[Bosonic]

Source: CBC

Gaza rocket fire struck a gas station and set it ablaze Friday in southern Israel, seriously wounding one person as rocket fire also came from Lebanon for the first time in the four-day offensive.

The attack on the gas station in Ashdod looked to be the most serious attack in Israel in the four days of fighting that has seen Israel deliver a heavy blow to Gaza's Hamas leaders. The military have carried out more than 1,000 strike strikes against Gaza targets that have killed at least 95 people, including dozens of civilians.

The explosion in Ashdod sent plumes of smoke high into the air, leaving a trail of charred vehicles in its wake. Israeli health officials said the blast wounded three people, including one in serious condition. Rocket fire continued in earnest from Gaza toward various locations in southern Israel and around Tel Aviv.

In northern Israel, rocket fire struck near the Lebanese border and the military responded with artillery fire toward the source in southern Lebanon, military spokesman Lt. Col. Peter Lerner said

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/israel-hit-by-rockets-fired-from-lebanon-1.2703698

[elias49]

1. 100 Palestinians dead, one Israeli 'seriously' injured...

Poor Israelis...the eternal 'victims'.

So sick of this crap. And the American press goes along with the nonsense...witness Diane Sawyer recent misrepresentation of the conflict.

[ellenrr]

2. dontcha know, according to the Israeli and US mainstream calculus of death...

one Israeli life is worth about 3 hundred Palestinian lives.

[elias49]

3. Seems to be the way it works...

of course if you factor in the children...
I just don't know how you factor in children. I'm not sure the IDF recognizes children.

[ellenrr]

4. the IDF claims the children are actually small Hamas members disguised as children. nt

[7962]

14. Here's how it REALLY works. Hamas deliberately uses children and the elderly. Proof:

“For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: ‘We desire death like you desire life.’”
Fathi Hamad, the Hamas Interior Minister in Gaza

Israel even warns ahead of time on many of their attacks. And what happens? Hamas rushes civilians to the intended target. Plenty of video showing it happen. You just choose not to see it.

[Cal Carpenter]

16. An unsourced quote

and an "It is as if they were saying...." does not constitute proof.

Wtf.

[cali]

17. there are inevitably unsourced quotes claims and piles of dog shit a mile fucking high

by almost everyone involved in the I/P discussion here- see posts 2-4 in this thread.

All this shit is sickening. I hold Israel as the occupying force and the sole military power to be largely responsible- land thefts, the oppression of Palestinians, etc, etc. but I have seen poster after poster here refusing to recognize the humanity of both people.

I used to post quite a bit in I/P. Then I didn't for years because in general, both sides posting are hateful and blind.

JMO

[7962]

52. You should know by now that if I post it, its true, but heres the speech itself!

This is nothing new; many have preached it for years. They're proud of it.

I suppose you could say the translation is fake, but you'll have to look that up yourself.

[nyabingi]

29. I guess many of them figure death is

preferable to a life of humiliation and fear.

The deleterious psychological impact of living the way Gazans do would provide much study material for the field of psychology.

[samsingh]

54. exactly

[Chemisse]

58. Oh, so the women and children and elderly WANT to die?

Well, why didn't they say so? Really that makes all the massacre just so okey-dokey!

Lucky somebody in Hamas maybe said that they desire death. Or else the Israelis might have to experience a twinge of guilt.

[7962]

64. Martyrdom. They preach it and teach it constantly and are eager to achieve it. Where ya been?

Gee, here's video of them doing exactly that.

How do you not know that they do this all the time? Why do you think Hamas places rocket launchers in and around schools and neighborhoods?
Because they know there are a lot of people eager to blame Israel for even a thundershower.

[bemildred]

69. CNN: Palestinians Want To Die – OpEd

In this latest assault on Gaza, Israel had by Thursday already killed 69 Palestinians including 22 children and 13 women, plus 469 wounded including 166 children and 85 women, and 70 houses destroyed. These numbers have since increased significantly.

In this video from Thursday on CNN, Jake Tapper interviews Diana Buttu, a former advisor to the PLO. After failing to persuade her of Israel’s complete innocence, he tells her that Hamas is instructing women and children to remain in their homes to die as Israel bombs them. She responds by expressing doubt that people want to die. Oh no, says Tapper, Palestinians live in a culture of martyrdom; they want to die.

William Westmoreland once remarked on Vietnam, where the United States killed 4 million men, women, children, and infants: “The Oriental doesn’t put the same high price on life as does a Westerner. Life is plentiful. Life is cheap in the Orient.”

Banastre Tarleton stood up in Parliament and defended the slave trade on the grounds that Africans did not object to being slaves.

http://www.eurasiareview.com/12072014-cnn-palestinians-want-die-oped/

[hack89]

6. The deaths will stop when the rockets stop

It is not complicated.

[elias49]

7. Not complicated?

Good grief! Did you forget the sarcasm tag?
I think you need to talk to John Kerry...maybe you can put him straight.
Crap.

[hack89]

10. Hamas started a war

They can stop it any time they want.

[elias49]

11. Oh groan. Another apologist for Israel.

Please take your garbage elsewhere. We're done.

[hack89]

12. It beats being an apologist for Hamas. nt

[samsingh]

56. agreed

[obama2terms]

28. Oh please

They are firing at each other so why is Israel the only bad guy? I find it despicable too, what they are both doing. But if Israel is better at defense and that's the reality here. Is Israel supposed to sit back and take it while they are being fired at too? Absolutely not. So again why is Palestine the victim here when they are doing the same thing just resulting in less casualties?

[elias49]

41. Palestinians want their own 'state'

there own 'country'. They live - by the "good graces" of Israel - in poverty. In slums. In refugee-camp conditions. In fucking misery, largely. They are restricted in where they go. Who they see. If they're good little Arabs, then Israel will be satisfied. Eh. I wouldn't want live in Israel's little ant-farm either. I'd want a homeland I could call my own.
Just MHO.

[samsingh]

57. what should Israel do when they are constantly attacked?

[Chemisse]

59. Maybe give them a homeland?

[obama2terms]

65. And that's horrible, but it's only part of the problem

And Israel isn't innocent but neither is Palestine. I was actually talking to a woman from Palestine who lives in my neighborhood and you want to know the sad thing? Money is sent to Palestine and horrible corrupt people abuse those funds. Between 2008-2012 BILLIONS of dollars sent for their relief has gone missing. And you still don't think something is wrong, with their leaders? You can blame Israel for some things, but the misappropriation of funds, well Israel isn't in charge of that now are they? I'm sure if that money was actually put to good use conditions would be better for them. With these stupid little conflicts Israel and Palestine get into with each other, no one is innocent as much as either side would like to call themselves the "victim" no one is the "victim" this has been going on for many many years, they are each other's own worst enemies.

[samsingh]

55. if the rockets stop firing into Israel, their attack will stop

someone can't fire rockets into Israel and not expect a response

[7962]

13. Nice to see someone else that can see reality!

[cali]

18. baloney. and the oppression and land theft? when will that stop?

Yes, Hamas should stop their loathsome practices, but Israel's actions are all too frequently despicable

[hack89]

21. Gaza was returned to the Palestinians

and there were rockets in the air within minutes of the last Israeli leaving. Explain to me why you think land for peace can work after what happened in Gaza?

[nyabingi]

23. How about Israel return the land in

southern Israel that they took from the Gazans in the first place?

[hack89]

25. And what lands might those be?

can you provide a link?

[nyabingi]

31. The lands from which the Palestinians were expelled

of course.

You probably think that didn't happen, eh?

[hack89]

34. What lands were part of Gaza that the Israelis did not return? nt

[nyabingi]

36. This is something I read from Juan Cole

yesterday addressing this very issue.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/07/numbers-people-there.html

[geek tragedy]

38. kind of like how a prisoner is given title over his cell. nt

[hack89]

39. The population of Gaza worked freely in Isreal until the Intifada

they had decent jobs and a good standard of living. Then the suicide attacks started and the walls went up. The Palestinians helped build their jail cell through the constantly bad choices they make. Every time they were given a choice they chose violence.

[geek tragedy]

43. sure, just like blacks in South Africa worked freely and had a good standard

of living under apartheid.

They were not free, they were governed by military force and had settler colonies taking all of their water inside Gaza.

[hack89]

45. So their chosen solutions have made things so much better, haven't they?

at some point they need to understand their chosen strategy is a massive failure.

[geek tragedy]

46. both sides need to realize that. nt

[hack89]

47. Israel can live with the status quo

not sure the Palestinians can.

[geek tragedy]

48. Israel would love to preserve things as they are.

They live in prosperity and security, and they have complete dominion over the Palestinians.

But, that is a very short-sighted approach. Because the status quo is always ephemeral.

Long-term, Israel will face a very, very real question of whether it wants to be a bi-national single state, or adopt apartheid on a formal basis. 50 more years of occupation will cement their dominion over the Palestinians as a de facto annexation, and treated by the entire planet as such. Especially when the total number of Arabs living in the occupied territories plus Israel exceeds the number of Jews.

So, Israel will be faced with signing itself out of existence by granting Palestinians the right to vote and full legal equality, or becoming a deservedly hated apartheid pariah state in much the same capacity that South Africa was in the 1980s.

At which point BDS will become the policy of the rest of the planet, including the United States.

Israel has the short-term advantages, but long-term it cannot survive in its current form.

[hack89]

49. A two state solution is the answer

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give up all of the West Bank and find a way to join it with Gaza.

A single state is suicide and will never happen.

[geek tragedy]

50. That's the answer, but Israel has zero interest in pursuing it.

Giving up the West Bank--including the border with Jordan--and giving Palestinians control over their own borders, their own airspace, own groundwater--and evicting settlers who would be on the other side of the negotiated line--no stomach for that in Israel.

Heck, Israel isn't even willing to pause its construction of new settlements.

As you said, Israel is perfectly fine with the status quo. It takes leadership to get a country to address the problems of the future--something Israel does not have.

Hamas is Hamas, perpetually insane and violent.

Abbas is playing the long game. He goes along with the US negotiations that neither side has any interest in, but he's less looking at a negotiated settlement than the end game of a single-state solution. What he will never, ever get on the negotiating table the Palestinians will get through time and demographics.

[nyabingi]

22. Israel's goal is expulsion of the Palestinians

and they are planning on doing that whether there are rockets or not.

If every living soul in Gaza decided to become peaceful, non-violent Buddhists sitting outside quietly chanting sutras, the Israelis would still kill them without mercy - the only difference is they would have to find another justification to present to the world as to why they are doing it.

Nothing the Palestinians can do, besides leaving or dying, will prevent the Israelis from killing them. Nothing.

[hack89]

26. Sorry excuse for a genocide, don't you think?

I thought the goal of genocide was to eliminate your enemies, not watch their population explode.

[nyabingi]

32. Israel is very sensitive about it's public perception,

although the far-right leaders who've dominated Israeli politics recently (and the American politicians who side with them), so while there is ample killing of Palestinians on a daily basis, the main goal is to bulldoze homes, restrict access to goods, and generally make living in the areas coveted by Israelis as uninhabitable as possible. They hope the Palestinians will just leave.

Outright genocide wouldn't quite mesh with the Israeli image of beleaguered and helpless people they want us to believe they are...

[hack89]

35. How many Palistinians do you think have actually been killed in the past 60 years? nt

[nyabingi]

37. Don't know, but there have been many

How many do you reckon have been killed?

[hack89]

40. I would guess about 30,000 over 60 years

less than 10,000 since 2000.

[elias49]

42. Huh! Is that all??

[hack89]

44. If Israel's goal is to kill as many as possible

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that number should be in the millions. An average of 50 a year is not a lot.

[Agony]

61. the deaths don't stop when the rockets stop

It is not complicated, you are right.

http://www.btselem.org/statistics/fatalities/after-cast-lead/by-date-of-event

[DeSwiss]

62. Everybody's sick of this crap.

- And the Prime Crapper too.

[fireflysky46]

5. Now that the Hezbollah is occupied to kill Palestinians in Syria,

I'm wondering what could happen is Israel send his tanks to Lebanon ?

[nyabingi]

8. There needs to be a serious push-back against

the widespread myth, carefully crafted by AIPAC and other pro-Israeli PR operatives in the US, that Israel doesn't deliberately target civilians.

I've heard this mantra repeated over and over again, but anyone paying attention to what is happening knows this is a blatant lie.

For every unreasonable Arab in the Middle East who harbors a visceral hate towards Jewish people and Israel, there are a significant many Jews and Israelis/Americans who harbor a visceral hate towards Arabs and look for opportunities to kill Arabs when the chance presents itself. The Jewish settlers are just as violent and irrational as some of the most extreme Islamic jihadists.

[nyabingi]

20. The hate goes both ways

and pretending the Israeli Jews don't hate as much as the Palestinian Arabs is being dishonest.

Beating and burning an innocent kid to death ain't really a bad thing if the Israelis do it apparently...

[7962]

15. Hamas official position is that ALL Israelis are legitimate targets. "Myth" Ha.

Show me the Israeli equivalent.
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/palestinian-territories/hamas-all-israelis-targets-after-deadly-raid-on-gaza-home-1.1357412

Read the article where Israel warns of an attack and civilians rush to the site on purpose. Step in front of a train you should expect to get run over.

[nyabingi]

19. Just because Israel's "official" policy isn't to

target Palestinian civilians, the reality is much the opposite. You can see clearly in the immense death toll in Gaza thus far that all Palestinians, young, old, and militant alike, are targets.

They've created in Gaza a very large, densely-populated prison in which combatant and civilian are packed shoulder-to-shoulder like sardines, and the IDF doesn't bat an eye when targeting either. Israel's merciless attacks against a virtually defenseless foe is clear to the world.

Where are Gazans supposed to run to when Israel starts their bombing runs? Huh? They don't have the bomb shelters the Israelis have. If Israel really wanted to avoid civilian casualties, they'd send in ground forces to target specific individuals, but they prefer to cause as many deaths as possible.

[nyabingi]

30. Definitely not advocating violence of any sort,

but if Israel were only interested in pursuing those responsible for firing rockets, they'd put their lives and limbs on the line and go in on the ground to get the attackers.

But as I've said, Israel's objective is collective punishment, which includes killing any and every Palestinian who happens to be within the blast radius of their bombs.

As Israeli military officials say, they have to kill Gazans every few years of so to "mow the lawn".

[7962]

53. They're supposed to run AWAY from the target that Israel tells them they're about to bomb!

How is that so hard to understand? There's even video of people rushing TO a target. If they're that stupid, then you get what you pay for. I'm sure they dont tell ALL their targets in advance, but they do with a lot of them. And the result is the same. Because the Arabs KNOW that they can parade civilian casualties for the media and those who hate Israel already will eat it up like dittoheads listening to limbaugh.

[elias49]

67. OMG.. Israel: "We're going to destroy two makeshift hospitals. Get everyone out"

FU Israel.

That's how it works? FU Israel.

[7962]

68. Oh well, we'll see how that opinion works for you. Israel isnt going anywhere.

You shouldnt shoot rockets from schools hospitals private homes, etc. Get over it when you get hit back.

[elias49]

70. The opinion works just fine, thanks.

You shouldn't send fighter jets into slums and blow up whole families with US supported firepower. Get over it if someone gets pissed off. Israel is kind of like the schoolyard bully who beats up 3rd graders. And won't give them their lunch money back. Yup. F.I.

[7962]

72. Well, if they didnt have rockets shot at them every day they wouldnt blow shit up.

[EX500rider]

60. "the widespread myth that Israel doesn't deliberately target civilians."

Seem to be doing a piss-poor job at it then..
The military have carried out more than 1,000 strike strikes against Gaza targets that have killed at least 95 people, including dozens of civilians.
1,000 air strikes with bombs and rockets and only "dozens" of civilians killed? Seems more like they ARE deliberately trying NOT to hit civilians.

[Marrah_G]

27. The whole think reminds me of Native Americans being pushed onto small reservations

Slaughtered if they rebelled against it at all.

[DeSwiss]

63. A gas station?

- Should be good for at least 25, 30 dead women and children eh, Nettie? Nice ''restraint' in your response you fucking bastard.

WH: "We strongly condemn the continuing rocket fire into Israel and the deliberate targeting of civilians by terrorist organizations in Gaza," White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Tuesday. "No country can accept rocket fire aimed at civilians." link

[IronGate]

66. Maybe if Hamas would quit firing rockets into Israel,

Israel wouldn't be forced to retaliate?
Fact is that Hamas needs to be wiped out and removed from the face of the earth.

[DeSwiss]

71. Wiped out and off the face of the Earth?

Who the hell died and made YOU creator?