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muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:49 AM Jul 2014

Edward Snowden applies to extend his stay in Russia

Source: BBC

US whistleblower Edward Snowden has officially asked to extend his stay in Russia after his visa expires, his lawyer has told the BBC.

Anatoly Kucherena confirmed that paperwork has been submitted to Russia's Federal Migration Service.

The current document granting him temporary asylum expires on 31 July.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-28230285

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Edward Snowden applies to extend his stay in Russia (Original Post) muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 OP
I'll bet. nt onehandle Jul 2014 #1
. stonecutter357 Jul 2014 #2
Yeah, why wouldn't he want to come home? hueymahl Jul 2014 #4
I don't thinks democrats support spies. stonecutter357 Jul 2014 #6
More discredited memes at play here hueymahl Jul 2014 #8
+1,000,000 It is sad when democrats can be so easily brainwashed isn't it? cosmicone Jul 2014 #11
I have been a democrat all my life........... stonecutter357 Jul 2014 #19
Low post counts, really? Andy823 Jul 2014 #25
trained as a spy............. stonecutter357 Jul 2014 #21
Hacker he was not .. Lenomsky Jul 2014 #31
nice evisceration of the comrade Psephos Jul 2014 #34
Putin needs him to trot out as a propaganda piece every now and then. stevenleser Jul 2014 #3
He certainly faces torture MannyGoldstein Jul 2014 #7
You're right cosmicone Jul 2014 #10
Every country in the world has done it in the past. That is a red herring. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #12
Oh yes ... USA hasn't done it for over a 100 years .... cosmicone Jul 2014 #14
As opposed to Russia? LMAO stevenleser Jul 2014 #15
Russians never claim to be the good guys cosmicone Jul 2014 #27
Now its all about what governments claim to be. Keep moving the goalposts. You're now off the field stevenleser Jul 2014 #30
I hear Crimea is lovely this time of year nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #5
Yes dipsydoodle Jul 2014 #18
Red Herring cosmicone Jul 2014 #9
Why wouldn't we detain Putin's plane? What is he going to do, nuke us? stevenleser Jul 2014 #13
LMAO cosmicone Jul 2014 #16
Nope, not joking. If your contention is that we detained Morales' plane, there is nothing stopping stevenleser Jul 2014 #17
If you're not joking, you're making yourself look damn stupid muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #20
Which is exactly what the US could do with Crimea. Again, all bad options. Nice try. Not. nt stevenleser Jul 2014 #23
You seem to be saying US and Russian politicians are just the same muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #24
No, that is your straw man. Don't forget how this thread started. stevenleser Jul 2014 #26
well, it is FOX TV. grasswire Jul 2014 #28
+1,000,000 cosmicone Jul 2014 #29
Was going to respond to him...but remembered something... Xolodno Jul 2014 #33
Far more devastating is their drive to remove the dollar as reserve currency. Psephos Jul 2014 #35
this is the most desperate attempt at being a celebrity i have ever seen. stonecutter357 Jul 2014 #22
I would be worred right now if I were Snowden that Russia might make a backroom deal cstanleytech Jul 2014 #32

hueymahl

(2,497 posts)
4. Yeah, why wouldn't he want to come home?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:08 AM
Jul 2014

He can face a politicized lynching, get locked up, water boarded and ass-raped by the justice system.

Why don't you head over there and tell him how wrong he is, comrade stonecutter.

I swear, we are living in bizzaro world when "democrats" degenerate whistle-blowers and use "comrade" as a term of derision. Pathetic.

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
6. I don't thinks democrats support spies.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:21 AM
Jul 2014

And way would you call me comrade i didn't steal your Metadata and run to china and then Russia.

hueymahl

(2,497 posts)
8. More discredited memes at play here
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jul 2014

He did not run off to China and Russia. He was trying to get to an asylum in South America. We forced him to stay in Russia by cancelling his passport and forcing planes down (including diplomatically protected ones!!!) looking for him.

And he did not steal metadata - that is a right-wing justification used by Republicans and statist democrats to justify the unconstitutional spying on american citizens. He "stole" (your term) documents that blow the whistle on unconstitutional acts and prove that the government was collecting personal information, including metadata. It is not possible to steal the amount of metadata and other information that has been collected by the NSA and other agencies - you would need tractor-trailers full of hard drives to steal it.

Keep propping up those straw men. I'll keep pointing out the truth.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
11. +1,000,000 It is sad when democrats can be so easily brainwashed isn't it?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jul 2014

But ... I was looking at his low post count and right wing talking points ... I had to whistle ....

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
25. Low post counts, really?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:31 PM
Jul 2014

Then I bet you also would "whistle" at all the new posters with low counts that come on this board, trash the president daily and then get furious when anyone dares to speak out against GG and Snowden?

stonecutter357

(12,697 posts)
21. trained as a spy.............
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jul 2014

Edward Snowden, in an interview , said that he was “trained as a spy” and provided the government with all levels of technical expertise and denied critics’ claims that he was a mere hacker.

Lenomsky

(340 posts)
31. Hacker he was not ..
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jul 2014

Collected what he thought most important and released in to the public domain.

I applaud him for detailing what most of us knew already (maybe not the extend) but had no facts.

If it was a person that had done wrong and you worked for that person would you hold your tongue or have big brass balls and make the facts known?

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
34. nice evisceration of the comrade
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 12:25 AM
Jul 2014

It's telling that the comrades keep trying to make Snowden the issue, instead of what he revealed.

I never thought I'd see the day when Democrats became the reactionaries.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
3. Putin needs him to trot out as a propaganda piece every now and then.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:57 AM
Jul 2014

Whenever Putin is feeling the pressure of the international community or the US getting after him on human rights abuses or unprovoked wars of aggression, out will come Snowden giving him cover.

The original application for asylum from Snowden suggested that he feared being tortured or facing the death penalty, both lies that Putin and his government were happy to accept just so they could use Eddie as a propaganda piece.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
7. He certainly faces torture
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:45 AM
Jul 2014

Endless solitary confinement. As well as other cruel and unusual punishment, and denial of due process thanks to the Obama Whistleblower Star Chamber Act Espionage Act of 1917.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
10. You're right
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:14 AM
Jul 2014

USA has never been accused of torturing or killing prisoners and USA has never tortured or killed anyone. U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A



 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
27. Russians never claim to be the good guys
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:45 PM
Jul 2014

and world's policemen.

We claim to wear the white hat despite having committed far worse atrocities than Russians ever did. Remember Native Americans? Remember slavery? Remember Abu Ghraib - the pictures and details of which have been suppressed from the public? Remember the secret prisons in Egypt, Morocco, Romania and Poland?

You go on chanting U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A U-S-A

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
30. Now its all about what governments claim to be. Keep moving the goalposts. You're now off the field
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:55 PM
Jul 2014


p.s., Putin and Russia's government absolutely claims to be the good guys.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/10513330/Vladimir-Putin-claims-Russia-is-moral-compass-of-the-world.html

Vladimir Putin claims Russia is moral compass of the world
Vladimir Putin asserts in his annual state of the nation address that Russia takes a morally superior world-view to the West and defended its Conservatives values
 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
9. Red Herring
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:12 AM
Jul 2014

I think Putin is going to fly Snowden to Cuba with him (on his upcoming visit) and from there, he will be whisked to Ecuador.

The CIA would not dare to detain Putin's plane like they did Bolivia's president Evo Morales's plane in Vienna.



 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
13. Why wouldn't we detain Putin's plane? What is he going to do, nuke us?
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jul 2014

The same brinksmanship Putin employed in Crimea can be employed on him.

Ultimately, what's the recourse?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
17. Nope, not joking. If your contention is that we detained Morales' plane, there is nothing stopping
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:25 AM
Jul 2014

us from doing the same to Putin's plane.

Again, what is the recourse? The same one available to us in Crimea. One that cannot be used.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
20. If you're not joking, you're making yourself look damn stupid
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:00 PM
Jul 2014

Of course Russia has ways of retaliating against the west for violating the rights of their president that Bolivia didn't have. They can break up the various international talks that Russia is part of (eg Iran). They can suspend delivery of oil and gas to Europe. They can veto Security Council resolutions. They can increase support to Syria.

If you can't think of that, I wonder how you've managed to keep up with discussions on DU. What's your job, again?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
24. You seem to be saying US and Russian politicians are just the same
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:31 PM
Jul 2014

and if Obama didn't think something was worth doing, then Putin wouldn't think it worth doing either.

Which makes you the most ignorant person to ever claim to know anything about world politics.

How the hell has anyone ever invited you on TV? You're making Sarah Palin look like genius.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
26. No, that is your straw man. Don't forget how this thread started.
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:38 PM
Jul 2014

The other poster suggested the US "wouldn't dare do the same thing to Putin as we did to Morales".

Again, there is no real reason why. All the retaliatory measures you listed would also hurt Russia.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
29. +1,000,000
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jul 2014

Although, you'd have more luck persuading Sarah Palin of the reality. Even Sarah wouldn't advocate intercepting Putin's plane on an official visit.

Xolodno

(6,395 posts)
33. Was going to respond to him...but remembered something...
Thu Jul 10, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jul 2014

"You can't argue with stupid people, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience".

Could almost see it now, our jets scramble outside of Florida and demand he land in Miami. They say no. One of our jets fire a warning shot, on of their jets in the Russian Military escort fire a warning shot back (and calls for more jets from Cuba). If the US downs any plane, they will respond in kind....and you have war.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
35. Far more devastating is their drive to remove the dollar as reserve currency.
Fri Jul 11, 2014, 12:29 AM
Jul 2014

That will bring realization and misery to everyone in America if it proves successful.

The Russians are getting a *lot* of assistance from the BRICs to make this happen.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
32. I would be worred right now if I were Snowden that Russia might make a backroom deal
Wed Jul 9, 2014, 11:53 PM
Jul 2014

with the US to turn him over in exchange for the US shutting up about what Russia is doing in the Ukraine.

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