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kpete

(71,994 posts)
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:47 PM Mar 2012

Trayvon Martin Investigator Wanted Manslaughter Charge(unconvinced by Zimmerman's version of events)

Last edited Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:17 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: ABC

Trayvon Martin Investigator Wanted Manslaughter Charge

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

Police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman's attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman's claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/trayvon-martin-investigator-wanted-charge-george-zimmerman-manslaughter/story?id=16011674#.T3IKe2Egc1I

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Trayvon Martin Investigator Wanted Manslaughter Charge(unconvinced by Zimmerman's version of events) (Original Post) kpete Mar 2012 OP
CORRECTION: "Self-appointed neighborhood watch captain..." rfranklin Mar 2012 #1
If they really wanted to get it right guitar man Mar 2012 #6
That really disturbs me also. olegramps Mar 2012 #8
+1 yardwork Mar 2012 #21
I wonder if there are any ties between Norman Wolfinger and Zimmerman's dad auburngrad82 Mar 2012 #2
It's more likely that he's trying to protect the Sanford police department. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #5
Well, he pretty much threw them under the bus on this one. nt auburngrad82 Mar 2012 #11
Wolfinger is not accustom to this kind of press. Baitball Blogger Mar 2012 #12
Yep. n/t EFerrari Mar 2012 #16
My thoughts entirely (nt) Tumbulu Mar 2012 #13
His dad was a judge in VA. It's unlikely he'd have connections in FL. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2012 #14
Being a judge from VA, no doubt R. Zimm... has friends in high places. Dont call me Shirley Mar 2012 #20
He Is Right, Ma'am: Zimmerman's Story Stinks Of Cheap Fiction The Magistrate Mar 2012 #3
There wasn't enough evidence??? They never bothered to collect any. crazylikafox Mar 2012 #4
What evidence do you have to support your accusation that the PD collected no evidence? slackmaster Mar 2012 #7
Some experts have stated that the local police did not employ standard porcedures. olegramps Mar 2012 #9
Well, I certainly wouldn't disagree with some experts slackmaster Mar 2012 #19
Besides not drug testing Zimmerman and letting him take his gun home? EFerrari Mar 2012 #15
How do you know they let him take his gun home? slackmaster Mar 2012 #26
Why didn't the police check Trayvon's phone records and see who he was talking to Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #22
Because the Iliyah Mar 2012 #24
How do you know that any of that is accurate? slackmaster Mar 2012 #25
Becuase: Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #27
Three of those five are questionable slackmaster Mar 2012 #28
Which 3? Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #29
We'll all find out eventually slackmaster Mar 2012 #32
A bit odd to claim to be withholding judgement while also dismissing 3 of these claims as keopeli Mar 2012 #33
It wasn't bungled.. sendero Mar 2012 #38
they took no photos of zimmerman's supposed injuries arely staircase Mar 2012 #30
YOU haven't seen them ergo they don't exist slackmaster Mar 2012 #31
mea culpa arely staircase Mar 2012 #37
"Wanted" - Past Tense.... eom 99 Percent Sure Mar 2012 #10
Righto CAPHAVOC Mar 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Mar 2012 #23
When are the Feds going to just take this over? Thrill Mar 2012 #18
No Wonder DallasNE Mar 2012 #34
"But But But We don't know the full story!" fightforfreedom123 Mar 2012 #35
Liberal Talk Radio uncensored ! NiloTheAngryLatino Mar 2012 #36

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
8. That really disturbs me also.
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:15 PM
Mar 2012

I listened to the man who heads up the National Citizens Watch Org. and he stated that firstly Zimmerman WAS NOT a member of the group. Secondly, their members are firmly instructed never to attempt to apprehend a suspect or are they ever to confront a suspect. Of critical importance is that they are to never carry a gun or any other weapon. They are to only observe and report and problem to the police.

It appears to me that the major new stations that I listened to totally ignored these most important facts. He was nothing more than a trigger happy vigilante with a chip on his shoulder. Also it is far more import that he has been charged with assaulting a police officer and two cases of domestic violence.

I hope that this case will result in every state repealing this asinine law that was in the vast majority of cases opposed by the local police and has already resulted in a number of deaths as reported by CNN.

auburngrad82

(5,029 posts)
2. I wonder if there are any ties between Norman Wolfinger and Zimmerman's dad
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:50 PM
Mar 2012

His dad is a retired judge. It would be worth exploring.

Baitball Blogger

(46,723 posts)
5. It's more likely that he's trying to protect the Sanford police department.
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:03 PM
Mar 2012

State Attorney's Offices must have a good relationship with the police departments to make their jobs easier.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
7. What evidence do you have to support your accusation that the PD collected no evidence?
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:07 PM
Mar 2012

Other than the scant amount that has been published?

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
9. Some experts have stated that the local police did not employ standard porcedures.
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 03:19 PM
Mar 2012

I would think that since it has been over a month, they would have published their finding that supported their position for not charging Zimmerman.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
19. Well, I certainly wouldn't disagree with some experts
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 05:03 PM
Mar 2012

I used to know a guy who was a fellow at an institute.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
26. How do you know they let him take his gun home?
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:23 PM
Mar 2012

There is conflicting information about that floating around.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
22. Why didn't the police check Trayvon's phone records and see who he was talking to
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 07:25 PM
Mar 2012

right before he was killed? They could have easily followed up with the girl and get her account.

Why didn't they drug test Zimmerman the night he gunned down Trayvon? Why did one witness claim that police "corrected" her account of who was screaming?

Why didn't the police attempt to utilize voice analysis on the 911 tapes to see who was in fact screaming? Why didn't the police follow up with Mary Cutcher after she wanted to give a more detailed account of what happened that night?

All potential evidence that was bungled by the cops.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
24. Because the
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:34 PM
Mar 2012

Florida Attorney General told them to drop the matter, and told the LEAD investigator not to pursue the "Manslaughter" charges against Zimmerman.

As to why a minor's body was held for three days without attempting to at least contact said minor's parents is beyond me. That in itself is a crime in my opinion.

This "Stand your Ground Law" is bullshit. As I have said before "ALEC" and NRA" sole purspose is to make a profit off their guns/bullets and they don't give a shit about the health of people. They sell by instilling FEAR and this so called "Freedom" BS, and oh, don't forget guns, God, and the Bible.

When Jesus comes back to this, we know what he will preach. That said, the so called "Christians" will have him locked up spewing he's the devil.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
25. How do you know that any of that is accurate?
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:22 PM
Mar 2012

I think there will be some surprises from the grand jury.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
27. Becuase:
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:04 PM
Mar 2012

- The girl Trayvon was talking to said she was never contact by police
- The police acknowledged they never tested Zimmerman
- A witness says the were corrected as the cops said it was Zimmerman screaming.
- The police never did voice analysis because its now being done
- Mary Cutcher says the police blew her off

Clearly u haven't been following this case very closely.

keopeli

(3,522 posts)
33. A bit odd to claim to be withholding judgement while also dismissing 3 of these claims as
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 11:16 PM
Mar 2012

questionable. At least 4 of the points have been well established.

1. - The girl Trayvon was talking to said she was never contact by police. (This testimony is confirmed by multiple journalists.)

2. - The police acknowledged they never tested Zimmerman. (This statement of fact is easily confirmed.)

3. - A witness says the were corrected as the cops said it was Zimmerman screaming. (This is the least documented claim. Plus, it is probably hearsay.)

4. - The police never did voice analysis because its now being done. (Another confirmed fact with multiple sources.)

5. - Mary Cutcher says the police blew her off. (This has been reported by several journalist interviews. How relevant this witness' impression is as to the police dept.'s motives remains to be seen.)


Even withholding judgement does not disqualify well established statements of fact.

peace

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
30. they took no photos of zimmerman's supposed injuries
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:32 PM
Mar 2012

The one photo they did take of him shows no brokenq nose.

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
31. YOU haven't seen them ergo they don't exist
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:45 PM
Mar 2012

BTW the photo of George Zimmerman in an orange jumpsuit is years old.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
37. mea culpa
Thu Mar 29, 2012, 09:37 PM
Mar 2012

your right, they do exist.

Video shows Zimmerman without blood, bruises - CBS News





www.cbsnews.com/.../video-shows-zimmerman-without-blood-bruise...


22 hours ago – Police confirm ABC News video of Zimmerman in police station after arrest, apparently without marks of scuffle he claimed happened.

 

CAPHAVOC

(1,138 posts)
17. Righto
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 04:05 PM
Mar 2012

Statute 782.11 amazing this is just coming out. Those evil Police wanted to charge him. I thought they were Racist Pigs. I was amazed to see the Anchor on MSNBC make the statement today Zimmerman should be arrested without any charges filed. What an idiot.
If he can be gotten he will be. That is a very low manslaughter charge. But no evidence even for that one. At that time.

Response to CAPHAVOC (Reply #17)

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
34. No Wonder
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 02:24 PM
Mar 2012

The physical evidence does not support the story Zimmerman told.

Zimmerman has said that Martin was on top of him pounding his head on the sidewalk to the point that he needed stitches. Where is Zimmerman's blood on that sidewalk. Also, disregarding the fact that Martin would have been expected to attempt to grab Zimmerman's gun, what was the angle the bullet travelled in Martin's body. From Zimmerman's description the bullet should have travelled in an upward path. What does the police report say on this. Also, Martin was found face down, which would mean that he would have fallen foward, most likely on top of Zimmerman. Where is Martin's blood on Zimmerman's clothing. Yes, the bloodly nose would mean some of Zimmerman's blood was on his clothing but did the police examine for Martin's blood as well. What does the police report say on this?

Any good detective would have smelled a rat with Zimmerman's story given the facts on the ground. Lastly, we need to follow the money and influence behind the scenes. Zimmerman has a violent past, including assult on both his former girlfriend and a police officer attempting to arrest a friend of Zimmerman's.

 
35. "But But But We don't know the full story!"
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 03:20 PM
Mar 2012

Oh, Bullshit!

The bigots are hoping there is evidence or some lie that shows that Filthily Nigger Had It Coming tm.

Repeal Stand Your Ground and CCW laws N O W !

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