Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Julian Englis

(2,309 posts)
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:01 PM Mar 2012

"Pink slime" ire prompts key producer to close plants

Source: Reuters/Google News

Beef Products Inc, the top producer of ammonia-treated beef product dubbed 'pink slime' by critics, said on Monday it had halted production at three of its four plants in three states for 60 days from Monday.

The plant closures were hailed as a victory by activists who had argued that the product was unappetizing, but tempered their jubilance due to the temporary loss of about 650 jobs at a time when the economy was showing signs of recovery.

Rich Jochum, corporate administrator for the South Dakota-based company, said that the temporary closure could become "a permanent suspension."

"This is a direct reaction to all the misinformation about our lean beef," Jochum told Reuters.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/26/us-cn-bpi-plants-idUSBRE82P10720120326



I love hamburgers but the stories about the pink slime have definitely put me off my feed.
47 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
"Pink slime" ire prompts key producer to close plants (Original Post) Julian Englis Mar 2012 OP
There is a win-win to all this izquierdista Mar 2012 #1
Can't they process the meat Mz Pip Mar 2012 #2
The slime. sendero Mar 2012 #3
The ammonia process destroys bacteria, and yes, theres another way DJ13 Mar 2012 #7
Sell it for what it is. If you can't do that, it's dog food. n/t denverbill Mar 2012 #4
I would not feed it to my dogs lester94111 Mar 2012 #37
Me neither, but it is probably better than what goes into most pet foods anyway. denverbill Mar 2012 #38
not good enough for animals. robinlynne Mar 2012 #39
650 jobs. And this: Robb Mar 2012 #5
Or we could cut back on the meat we consume and opt for top quality when we consume it AllyCat Mar 2012 #27
That's not what happens. Never has been. Robb Mar 2012 #30
How about we stop consuming so much? I revisit my first point AllyCat Mar 2012 #36
Yes, those foolish poor people. Robb Mar 2012 #45
It is not okay for the poor to eat non-food because they are poor AllyCat Mar 2012 #47
You assume what they say is true..... robinlynne Mar 2012 #40
I remember a day unionworks Mar 2012 #6
Not sure pink slime is responsible for that. Doremus Mar 2012 #9
Couldn't agree more unionworks Mar 2012 #10
Your post brought back fond memories Doremus Mar 2012 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Mar 2012 #16
I'd like it labeled, They_Live Mar 2012 #8
No worries. They can get work at the irradiation plant. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #13
Mis-information about lean beef? blackspade Mar 2012 #11
Now I know what the awful smell in ground beef was.... glinda Mar 2012 #14
Our ground beef smells wonderful. Rozlee Mar 2012 #18
Odd, my dogs will eat a 2 week old cheesesteak from the street. Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #42
"Soaked with ammonia." Robb Mar 2012 #15
Pink slime is just a continuation of the Walmartization of America high density Mar 2012 #12
"I'll have a burger with fries, hold the amonia". Video I saw several years ago crunch60 Mar 2012 #17
I don't like to see anyone lose their job, but I have to wonder how many of those employees Incitatus Mar 2012 #19
Wow...pushback is working all over the place. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2012 #20
Ground meat burrowowl Mar 2012 #21
I am more concerned about the 650 jobs The Green Manalishi Mar 2012 #23
Well if the products were clearly labeled as containing this stuff sure, xtraxritical Mar 2012 #25
As you recognize, it's not binary - everyone can be concerned closeupready Mar 2012 #33
Another "self-righteous yuppie with his knickers in a twist..." LanternWaste Mar 2012 #35
the entire point was IT IS NOT LABELED AS WHAT IT IS. I idid not know I was eating ammonia.I buy th robinlynne Mar 2012 #41
They will soon be employed at the food irradiation plant. nt Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #43
Couldn't swallow any of that crap until I am rightfully assured that it is no more. lonestarnot Mar 2012 #24
that one plant is probably for the School Lunch program since they are refusing to cave AllyCat Mar 2012 #28
Prollee true that. lonestarnot Mar 2012 #32
So what's next? Pink pork slime? truthisfreedom Mar 2012 #26
McNuggets I believe are made from chicken slime. So say's Jamie Oliver, crunch60 Mar 2012 #29
Eat the slime or we'll fire 650 workers! marble falls Mar 2012 #31
Makes me wonder what it's done to my cats/dogs over the years? Remmah2 Mar 2012 #34
WSJ: 'Pink Slime' Controversy Hurting Beef Demand, Tyson Says alp227 Mar 2012 #44
"Unappetizing" wasn't the only concern .99center Mar 2012 #46
 

izquierdista

(11,689 posts)
1. There is a win-win to all this
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:06 PM
Mar 2012

I'm sure the North Koreans would LOVE to have some more protein in their diets.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
5. 650 jobs. And this:
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:14 PM
Mar 2012
"Other American families will also pay the price at the checkout counter as they see the price of ground beef begin to rise while we work to grow as many as 1.5 million more head of cattle to replace the beef that will no longer be consumed due to this manufactured scare."


At 100 kg of methane per cow per year, I'm not happy with the result here.

AllyCat

(16,188 posts)
27. Or we could cut back on the meat we consume and opt for top quality when we consume it
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:44 AM
Mar 2012

We do not need to eat huge amounts of meat at every meal, or even every day. A 3 oz portion is a serving. Maybe that will happen as the price goes up. People will opt for something healthier.

It is not manufactured. Ammonia in food is disgusting and not food. "But the price will go up if you don't eat our non-food item!!"

Robb

(39,665 posts)
30. That's not what happens. Never has been.
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 09:03 AM
Mar 2012

When prices go up, families buy the same amount of a cheaper product. Always. Or did you miss the entire business model of Walmart, the biggest company on the planet??

You're also a good illustration of the problem with this whole fiasco, even apart from the wishful "let them eat cake" bit. "Ammonia in food is disgusting." Well, duh. How about if instead of soaking ground-up meat in ammonia, we treated it with a high-pressure gas that killed bacteria? Would that be less disgusting?

AllyCat

(16,188 posts)
36. How about we stop consuming so much? I revisit my first point
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 01:57 PM
Mar 2012

We could all stop eating this stuff and look for change in the way we eat. I know it's not the American way because we want when we want it for the price we want to pay. But we could choose to eat less...

Robb

(39,665 posts)
45. Yes, those foolish poor people.
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 07:24 PM
Mar 2012

Why can't they just change their lifestyles to coddle our delicate sensibilities?

If only they would educate themselves.

AllyCat

(16,188 posts)
47. It is not okay for the poor to eat non-food because they are poor
Wed Mar 28, 2012, 12:45 PM
Mar 2012

We are a nation of "I want as much as I want and I want it now" that contributes to driving down the standards for everyone, rich and poor.

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
6. I remember a day
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:24 PM
Mar 2012

When it was safe to eat a hamburger a little pink in the middle. Pink slime changed that...

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
9. Not sure pink slime is responsible for that.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:53 PM
Mar 2012

Salmonella, e-coli and other pathogens in ground meat put the kibosh to under-done hamburgs.

I would attribute it to the stunningly filthy conditions at feedlots and slaughter houses, where cattle stand in their own excrement and are literally covered with it prior to slaughter.

The few cents/lb. it would cost to provide more sanitary conditions is better placed in the pockets of the oligarchy, of course.

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
10. Couldn't agree more
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:32 PM
Mar 2012

... I also seem to remember a time when it was safe to eat soft boiled eggs... still is, if you buy them pasteurized...

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
22. Your post brought back fond memories
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:28 AM
Mar 2012

of my mother's soft-boiled eggs. Delish!

Of course today I wouldn't touch the stuff nor any other animal protein, but thanks for the happy flashback.

Response to unionworks (Reply #6)

They_Live

(3,233 posts)
8. I'd like it labeled,
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 08:34 PM
Mar 2012

particularly at restaurants. I like to know what I'm eating, an what the kids are eating. It's a big issue for me. And I don't think that it is too much to ask, especially if they are proud of their product.

from the article:

Nancy Huehnergarth, executive director of New York State Healthy Eating and Physical Activity Alliance, a statewide group aimed at promoting healthy eating and changing food policy practices, said:

"It's never a happy victory when you hear people are losing their jobs. But if BPI had been transparent about the process of their products, we would not be at this point right now."

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
11. Mis-information about lean beef?
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:34 PM
Mar 2012

This crap is not 'lean beef'.
It is the crap that used to be thrown out as unfit for human consumption because it is not meat, but tendons, marrow and other generally non-edible parts of a carcass ground up and soaked with ammonia.
It is then mixed with actual meat and called 'grade A' beef.
It is totally disgusting.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
14. Now I know what the awful smell in ground beef was....
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:59 PM
Mar 2012

quit using it a while back for making my dog's food. They didn't even like it.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
18. Our ground beef smells wonderful.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:02 PM
Mar 2012

We live in Boerne, TX and buy it from local cattlemen that sell at our Produce Days, at a couple of our specialty meat stores or for individual customers. The hamburger actually tastes and smells meaty, unlike the one we buy at the local HEB and Walmart, even though HEB states they don't use pink slime. And it's even cheaper. Always best to go local and know your beef producer.

 

Snake Alchemist

(3,318 posts)
42. Odd, my dogs will eat a 2 week old cheesesteak from the street.
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 05:05 PM
Mar 2012

Or raw chicken that has been sitting in the garbage.

high density

(13,397 posts)
12. Pink slime is just a continuation of the Walmartization of America
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:36 PM
Mar 2012

People want cheap cheap cheap and companies want profits profits profits so at the end of the day our ground beef now contains this "lean beef" nonsense that plants like Beef Products Inc serve up.

 

crunch60

(1,412 posts)
17. "I'll have a burger with fries, hold the amonia". Video I saw several years ago
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 10:50 PM
Mar 2012

that I no longer can find. Someone must have removed it. It showed the processing plant where they make the pink slime. If you could see what is coming down the conveyor belts, skin, great globs of fat, tissue, and other unmentionables. yuk! Then it goes into a processor, ammonia added, flash frozen and coming out in huge bricks. It's then shipped off to be added to the hamburger patties.
When you see a sudden outbreak of e-coli, it's usually because they have cut back on the ammonia due to customer complaints. This has been going on for some time now, just on a smaller scale.

So happy I'm a vegetarian.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
19. I don't like to see anyone lose their job, but I have to wonder how many of those employees
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:03 PM
Mar 2012

actually ate the stuff.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
20. Wow...pushback is working all over the place.
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 11:04 PM
Mar 2012

Rush's advertisers,
the pipeline got delayed,
the pink slime has reacted to public pressure,( sorry about the job losses, tho)
some of the ultra sound rape issues are in retreat..

We need to continue to say NO! to these offensive and egregious Regressive behaviors.

burrowowl

(17,641 posts)
21. Ground meat
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:06 AM
Mar 2012

Meat should be ground where you buy and used promptly otherwise all the multiple surfaces provide more surface area for bacteria to grow. Whilst a steak seared on both sides kills them and you can eat it rare.

The Green Manalishi

(1,054 posts)
23. I am more concerned about the 650 jobs
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:36 AM
Mar 2012

Than some self righteous yuppie foodies having their sensibilities offended by what other people eat.

If you don't like pink slime then don't eat it, but I hope every one jubilating about this stops to consider some poor sot who is not going to have a paycheck next week,

FWIW, even though unemployed, I won't eat that crap either, but I am not going to run around with my knickers in a twist because it is being made and sold.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
25. Well if the products were clearly labeled as containing this stuff sure,
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 01:04 AM
Mar 2012

but they're not labeled as such so an informed decision can not be made.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
33. As you recognize, it's not binary - everyone can be concerned
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:00 AM
Mar 2012

about the 650 people who are losing their jobs.

We can also be happy that our food supply is getting more nutritious, even if in a very, very small way.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
35. Another "self-righteous yuppie with his knickers in a twist..."
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:18 PM
Mar 2012

Might I suggest you read Sinclair's 'The Jungle'?

Another "self-righteous yuppie with his knickers in a twist..."

robinlynne

(15,481 posts)
41. the entire point was IT IS NOT LABELED AS WHAT IT IS. I idid not know I was eating ammonia.I buy th
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 05:04 PM
Mar 2012

the cheapest ground beef, on the rare occasions I can afford meat. Ammonia. hell no.
by products? hell no.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
24. Couldn't swallow any of that crap until I am rightfully assured that it is no more.
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 12:46 AM
Mar 2012

Still one plant open. How many more are there?

AllyCat

(16,188 posts)
28. that one plant is probably for the School Lunch program since they are refusing to cave
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 02:49 AM
Mar 2012

to public pressure not to feed this $hit to our kids.

 

Remmah2

(3,291 posts)
34. Makes me wonder what it's done to my cats/dogs over the years?
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 10:54 AM
Mar 2012

Lower standards for pet food too.

I don't feel so guilty giving my dogs part of my peanutbutter sandwich any more.

alp227

(32,026 posts)
44. WSJ: 'Pink Slime' Controversy Hurting Beef Demand, Tyson Says
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 05:16 PM
Mar 2012

The controversy over a common ground-beef filler dubbed "pink slime" by critics has hurt short-term beef demand, a Tyson Foods Inc. TSN +0.15% executive said Tuesday.

Increased awareness and debate over the product has "put a fair amount of pressure on ground beef consumption," Tyson Chief Operating Officer Jim Lochner said at an investor presentation. The controversy prompted several grocery chains to announce they wouldn't carry beef containing the product because of consumer complaints.

Mr. Lochner framed the controversy as a "two-week event" and said that demand should "recover quite quickly."

Longer term, Mr. Lochner echoed concerns by other industry sources that elimination of the product will lead to tighter beef supplies and higher prices. "We'll probably see a 2% to 3% reduction in the available beef supply," Mr. Lochner said.

(google the title for full article)

.99center

(1,237 posts)
46. "Unappetizing" wasn't the only concern
Tue Mar 27, 2012, 08:50 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Wed Mar 28, 2012, 03:30 AM - Edit history (1)

The crap they were using in the process of creating the pink slime had a high amount of E.coli and other bacteria even after being treated with ammonia according to Kit Foshee a former BPI Corporate Quality Assurance Manager, who was fired for refusing to assure client's that the product was safe and later went on to blow the whistle on BPI. For those interested in learning more about BPI's ill behavior in this matter should search for the whistle blower conference that Kit Foshee gave a presentation at, in the presentation one of the issues he brings up is how they would test the ammonia levels and if they were too high they would just throw out the box they tested and send out the rest of the meat without further testing.

As someone that lives near one of BPI's plants and knew people that worked there before they cleaned house and imported 90% of their labor force, BPI can go to hell! Every other week in the local paper I read of deaths and injuries of their low payed workers caused from unsafe working conditions at BPI. My city also has been given a rather crude nickname from the distinct smell of IMO chemicals and discarded animal parts that get burned through out the night which can be smelled from 30 miles away from the plant.

Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»"Pink slime" ir...