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(47,538 posts)
Mon May 26, 2014, 02:52 PM May 2014

European Parliament set to usher in first neo-Nazis

Source: Yahoo (AFP)

Brussels (AFP) - Though no stranger to controversy or diatribe, the European Parliament is set to usher in its first fully-fledged neo-Nazi members, from Germany and Greece.

With around 300,000 votes at Sunday's European elections the neo-Nazi National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) is expected to claim one of the country's 96 seats in the new Parliament, in a historical ground-breaker. A recent change in German electoral laws, scrapping all minimum thresholds, paved the way for the march into parliament of the NPD, which has 6,000 members. It describes itself as "national socialist," just like Germany's Nazis in the 1930s, and is openly xenophobic and anti-semitic so a group of German regional governments have tried to have it banned for propagating racism.

Meanwhile, with almost all ballots counted in Greece, the neo-Nazi "Golden Dawn" party is claiming over nine percent of the vote, which would net it three seats in the 751-member Parliament. Golden Dawn was founded in the 1980s by Nikos Michaloliakos, an open admirer of Adolf Hitler. In 2012, Michaloliakos publicly denied the responsibility of Nazis in the mass-murder of six million Jews. By harnessing resentment over EU-driven austerity measures imposed on Greece, Golden Dawn ran third in the European vote held on Sunday, behind the Coalition of the Radical Left and the centre-right New Democracy Party.




Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/european-parliament-set-usher-first-neo-nazis-172937890.html

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European Parliament set to usher in first neo-Nazis (Original Post) question everything May 2014 OP
Oh god... sakabatou May 2014 #1
Will they be the first of many? Behind the Aegis May 2014 #2
Probably, unfortunately... awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #21
I have many French clients. They are ashamed and embarrassed uhnope May 2014 #3
I have a French friend of a friend with whom I have discussed politics - usually American karynnj May 2014 #4
I don't think it's worse than 2000-2008 under Bush in terms of practical effect uhnope May 2014 #7
Unfortunately it doesn't take a majority for a ruthless party to take over a country newthinking May 2014 #18
if it's in france PatrynXX May 2014 #13
Oh no , hes wrong maindawg May 2014 #14
please drop the new with the word neo nazis( neo means new) so what is new with them vs the old nazi allan01 May 2014 #5
That's the trouble with completely proportional representation over a wide region muriel_volestrangler May 2014 #6
There is nothing wrong with proportional representation of you set a threshold question everything May 2014 #9
Let's see.... SoapBox May 2014 #8
It's what happens when Bonzo goes to Bitburg. Octafish May 2014 #10
My brain is hanging upside down... nomorenomore08 May 2014 #26
Check out what Carla Binion wrote about NAZIs in the GOP. Octafish May 2014 #27
Can't say I'm surprised by any of this. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #32
In the 60's, I lived just out of Bitburg -- for 2 years HeiressofBickworth May 2014 #33
Are most Tea Party members much better than these guys? Helen Borg May 2014 #11
Just what i was thinking tom_kelly May 2014 #15
As bad as tea partiers are, many of these are worse. newthinking May 2014 #19
No, not really. nt awoke_in_2003 May 2014 #22
will Victoria Nuland send them cookies? n/t cosmicone May 2014 #12
+1 newthinking May 2014 #17
VNDS strikes again! nt EmilyAnne May 2014 #20
Much more likely that someone will make an irrelevant and petulant post about her instead... LanternWaste May 2014 #29
Very serious situation in Europe - and the world really. The "International Republican Institute" newthinking May 2014 #16
Funny you mention the IRI... nyabingi May 2014 #24
As the world continues to get browner... nyabingi May 2014 #23
I hope someone does something drastic to derail these neo-Nazis. Enthusiast May 2014 #25
Those who advocate a parliamentary system with proportional representation Nye Bevan May 2014 #28
This system can work is you set a threshold before a member can be assigned question everything May 2014 #30
Ptooey shenmue May 2014 #31
People never learn. Rhinodawg May 2014 #34
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
3. I have many French clients. They are ashamed and embarrassed
Mon May 26, 2014, 03:12 PM
May 2014

It's the equivalent of an off-year election when only the very opinionated, the extremists, and xenophobic old people who watch TF1 (the French equivalent of FOX News or RT) go to the polls.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
4. I have a French friend of a friend with whom I have discussed politics - usually American
Mon May 26, 2014, 03:18 PM
May 2014

she is devastated and worried about her country.

I suspect that this may be like how many of us felt when Republicans won, though it seems this is perhaps worse. I really hope the pendulum swings back quickly. (Yes, I know that at the point this happens it is hard to see things returning to sanity.)

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
7. I don't think it's worse than 2000-2008 under Bush in terms of practical effect
Mon May 26, 2014, 03:54 PM
May 2014

Overall the extremists who were elected to the EU, though representing a sizable percentage (up to 25%), don't agree on enough to be a force to steer the EU.

They won't be able to start two wars, killing hundreds of thousands, and crash the European economy.



newthinking

(3,982 posts)
18. Unfortunately it doesn't take a majority for a ruthless party to take over a country
Mon May 26, 2014, 07:12 PM
May 2014

if we learn from history it is always a minority that is so ruthless they scare the population into going along.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
13. if it's in france
Mon May 26, 2014, 06:01 PM
May 2014

I'd be worried about Natalie Portman moving there. she's Jewish of course , France is not a place I'd want to grow up in. great movies but rough place. especially if you don't know what areas not to go..

 

maindawg

(1,151 posts)
14. Oh no , hes wrong
Mon May 26, 2014, 06:05 PM
May 2014

Why we have so many openly racist politicians here is the USA that one or two neo [I believe neo means fake] Nazis. Hell, we have Nazis, they are pretty harmless. They render themselves harmless you see, when they identify themselves. I wish more politicians were so honest.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,381 posts)
6. That's the trouble with completely proportional representation over a wide region
Mon May 26, 2014, 03:32 PM
May 2014

With 96 seats, Germany can end up electing small neo-Nazi parties. If they elected in, say, 5 areas, they'd have an effective 5% or so threshold without having to explicitly say so.

question everything

(47,538 posts)
9. There is nothing wrong with proportional representation of you set a threshold
Mon May 26, 2014, 04:14 PM
May 2014

of, say, 1,000 votes before you can start counting. As the story points out, Germany recently scrapped the minimum threshold.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. Check out what Carla Binion wrote about NAZIs in the GOP.
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:09 AM
May 2014

Makes me sick, this does.



A Fresh Look

Nazis and the Republican Party

by Carla Binion

Investigative reporter Christopher Simpson says in BLOWBACK that after World War II, Nazi émigrés were
given CIA subsidies to build a far-right-wing power base in the U.S. These Nazis assumed prominent positions
in the Republican Party's "ethnic outreach committees." Simpson documents the fact that these Nazis did not
come to America as individuals but as part of organized groups with fascist political agendas.

SNIP...

Simpson shows how the State Department and the CIA put high-ranking Nazis on the intelligence payroll "for
their expertise in propaganda and psychological warfare," among other purposes. The most important Nazi
employed by the U.S. was Reinhard Gehlen, Hitler's most senior eastern front military intelligence officer. After
Germany's defeat became certain, Gehlen offered the U.S. certain concessions in exchange for his own
protection. Gehlen promoted hyped up cold war propaganda on behalf of the political right in this country, and
helped shape U.S. perceptions of the cold war.

Journalist Russ Bellant (OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY) shows that
Laszlo Pasztor, a convicted Nazi war collaborator, built the Republican émigré network. Pasztor, who served as
adviser to Republican Paul Weyrich, belonged to the Hungarian Arrow Cross, a group that helped liquidate
Hungary's Jews. Pasztor was founding chairman of the Republican Heritage Groups Council.

Two months before the November 1988 presidential election, a small newspaper, Washington Jewish Week,
disclosed that a coalition for the Bush campaign included a number of outspoken Nazis and anti-Semites. The
article prompted six leaders of Bush's coalition to resign.

According to Russ Bellant, Nazi collaborators involved in the Republican Party included:

1.Radi Slavoff, GOP Heritage Council's executive director, and head of "Bulgarians for Bush." Slavoff was a
member of a Bulgarian fascist group, and he put together an event in Washington honoring Holocaust
denier, Austin App.
2.Florian Galdau, director of GOP outreach efforts among Romanians, and head of "Romanians for Bush."
Galdau was once an Iron Guard recruiter, and he defended convicted Nazi war criminal Valerian Trifa.
3.Nicholas Nazarenko, leader of a Cossack GOP ethnic unit. Nazarenko was an ex-Waffen SS officer.
4.Method Balco, GOP activist. Balco organized yearly memorials for a Nazi puppet regime.
5.Walter Melianovich, head of the GOP's Byelorussian unit. Melianovich worked closely with many Nazi
groups.
6.Bohdan Fedorak, leader of "Ukrainians for Bush." Fedorak headed a Nazi group involved in anti-Jewish
wartime pogroms.

CONTINUED...

http://www.bartcop.com/nazigop.htm



It is sickening. To prevent the continuing spread of the contagion, I took the liberty of tying a few strings together...

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn t win WWII, so they backed Bushes

So far, not so good.

"Money trumps peace." -- pretzeldent George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007

HeiressofBickworth

(2,682 posts)
33. In the 60's, I lived just out of Bitburg -- for 2 years
Thu May 29, 2014, 04:33 AM
May 2014

I never knew the cemetery existed. Figures St. Ronnie of Reagan would be the one to find graves of SS soldiers to put flowers on. Jerk.

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
19. As bad as tea partiers are, many of these are worse.
Mon May 26, 2014, 07:17 PM
May 2014

Tea partiers are chicken hawks, these guys will often really do violence. Though if enough of these guys gain power the tea party types would join them and push them over. That is part of the problem: What starts as a relatively smaller win can quickly evolve since these guys are ruthless.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
29. Much more likely that someone will make an irrelevant and petulant post about her instead...
Wed May 28, 2014, 12:09 PM
May 2014

Much more likely that someone will make an irrelevant and petulant post about her instead...

newthinking

(3,982 posts)
16. Very serious situation in Europe - and the world really. The "International Republican Institute"
Mon May 26, 2014, 07:10 PM
May 2014

and the corporate state have been working together quietly but effectively. The Republicans would like to see a world government run by their party. People should be more aware of this.

This is why the Democratic party seriously needs reform and needs to offer the US (and the world) a much more differentiated alternative vision.

Liberals are losing out in the world to big money and there is no consistent body providing an alternative vision. The US Democratic party could do that, if only they would embrace a truly liberal populist platform.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
24. Funny you mention the IRI...
Mon May 26, 2014, 10:08 PM
May 2014

...I heard Madeleine Albright on the now-right-wing NPR last week talking about her election monitoring mission as a part of the "National Democratic Institute" (which basically does the same thing as the IRI) to Ukraine.

These groups, all part of the National Endowment for Democracy, are actively engaging in regime change all around the world and their activities need to be highlighted and noted by everyone interested in actually promoting democracy overseas.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
23. As the world continues to get browner...
Mon May 26, 2014, 09:39 PM
May 2014

...we'll see an inevitable resurgence of white supremacy in all the countries dominated by those who see themselves as white. The rise of the "tea party" in the US is the American version (and no less odious than the neo-Nazis from Germany and Greece), sparked by the election of a non-white president and rising populations of Latinos due to immigration.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
28. Those who advocate a parliamentary system with proportional representation
Wed May 28, 2014, 10:17 AM
May 2014

should be careful what they wish for.

question everything

(47,538 posts)
30. This system can work is you set a threshold before a member can be assigned
Wed May 28, 2014, 03:22 PM
May 2014

say, 5000 votes. The problem, as detailed in the OP, was that Germany scrapped the threshold.

 

Rhinodawg

(2,219 posts)
34. People never learn.
Thu May 29, 2014, 06:35 AM
May 2014

Gee, I can't imagine who their enemy will be.

Every jew in Europe should just get the hell out of there.

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