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uhnope

(6,419 posts)
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 01:41 PM Apr 2014

Ukraine crisis: Kerry accuses Russia of 'destabilisation'

Source: BBC

US Secretary of State John Kerry has accused Russia of "distraction, deception and destabilisation" in eastern Ukraine. In a strongly worded statement, he called on Moscow to help defuse the crisis there or face further sanctions.

Mr Kerry praised the interim authorities in Kiev, saying they had honoured the agreement struck in Geneva on 17 April to de-escalate the crisis.

But he said Russia had "put its faith in distraction, deception and destabilisation" and said they had failed to call for separatists to leave official buildings and give up their arms as stipulated by the Geneva agreement.

He also accused Russian media of promoting President Vladimir Putin's "fantasy" about events in Ukraine.

Read more: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27152019



This is key:
they had failed to call for separatists to leave official buildings and give up their arms as stipulated by the Geneva agreement.


According to the Geneva agreement, Russia must publicly tell the "pro-Russian militants" (Russian thugs, Russian soldiers in plainclothes) to stand down and leave the buildings they have violently taken over. They haven't done it, this basic thing to stop the persecution of Ukraine. In case anyone had any illusions about what Russia wants--it's not peace, it's not sovereignty, it's Greater Russia.
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Ukraine crisis: Kerry accuses Russia of 'destabilisation' (Original Post) uhnope Apr 2014 OP
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #1
That Five Billion Wheeze Gets Awful Old, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #2
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2014 #3
You Have Not Been Here Long Enough To Be As Tiresome As You Are Trying To Be, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #4
oops... lol OKNancy Apr 2014 #6
Always A Pleasure To See You Around The Place, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2014 #7
thanks OKNancy Apr 2014 #8
I Would Suggest, Ma'am, We Have The La Rouche Youth Wing To Thank For a Lot Of It The Magistrate Apr 2014 #9
Your act is getting tiresome also. William769 Apr 2014 #10
Yeah.....about that. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 #5
Fifty Years Ago This Month . . FairWinds Apr 2014 #11
Never forget something else. do you understand Putin's Russia is not a democracy? uhnope Apr 2014 #12
I've never really seen christx30 Apr 2014 #17
exactly. RANT WARNING! I'm a harsh critic of US actions, but take a tour of Slovakia and points East uhnope Apr 2014 #19
Which has to do with what? What was Russia like 50 YEARS ago? Fluffy Bunny? EX500rider Apr 2014 #23
Just curious... former9thward Apr 2014 #13
I don't say it, the article says it uhnope Apr 2014 #15
It is not a summary. former9thward Apr 2014 #16
hmmm. grounds for further research. many thanks uhnope Apr 2014 #18
That is the statement they released. It is not the actual agreement. nt okaawhatever Apr 2014 #21
Then you will enlighten us and post the agreement. former9thward Apr 2014 #22
oh brother. Ukraine Geneva Truthers! uhnope Apr 2014 #24
Still waiting .... former9thward Apr 2014 #25
Geneva Truthers. What next uhnope Apr 2014 #28
Right on. I'm checking it myself ballyhoo Apr 2014 #26
" " " " n/t MBS Apr 2014 #14
Thank you, uhnope Cha Apr 2014 #20
Kerry should investigate John McCain in this. RedCloud Apr 2014 #27

Response to uhnope (Original post)

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
2. That Five Billion Wheeze Gets Awful Old, Sir
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 02:01 PM
Apr 2014

Though it does serve to identify people who have no idea what is going on.

The figure refers to the total of U.S. foreign aid given since Ukraine became independent some twenty-three years ago....

Response to The Magistrate (Reply #2)

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
4. You Have Not Been Here Long Enough To Be As Tiresome As You Are Trying To Be, Sir
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 02:11 PM
Apr 2014

But you do seem to have cribbed from a recent playbook....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014788001#post45

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
9. I Would Suggest, Ma'am, We Have The La Rouche Youth Wing To Thank For a Lot Of It
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 02:33 PM
Apr 2014

Check 'Executive Intelligence Review' for the basic line....

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
11. Fifty Years Ago This Month . .
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 02:46 PM
Apr 2014

the U.S. government's very real destabilization campaign against
the democratically elected government of Brazil did indeed "succeed"
with a military coup. It ushered in more than two decades of repression,
torture and murder - which were then exported to other Latin American
countries. Never, never forget.
Dr. AJ Oliver, Veterans For Peace

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
12. Never forget something else. do you understand Putin's Russia is not a democracy?
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 02:50 PM
Apr 2014

That the one who is destabilizing Russia is Putin?
There are many things in the world to never forget. Russia (the USSR's) rape and pillage of half of Europe is one of them--and Putin wants to do it again with his Greater Russia plans.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
17. I've never really seen
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 04:50 PM
Apr 2014

anyone really call them out on how horribly they treated Europe and western Asia during the USSR days. They just call Poland and Estonia and other countries out on getting US troops in there to ward off a Russian invasion. If I were there, I'd be scared of Russia's movements too. Having a expansionist ex-KGB guy like Putin in the Kremlin can make any country nervous.
Like someone finding out their neighbor is a registered sex criminal and likes to hang out on his front porch. You wouldn't blame someone if they didn't want to let their kids play in the front yard.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
19. exactly. RANT WARNING! I'm a harsh critic of US actions, but take a tour of Slovakia and points East
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 05:08 PM
Apr 2014

to see what a horrible legacy Russia/USSR has. Most of all those central/eastern European countries, with the exception of some places in the capitals, are still massive running sores. Compare those places to the parts of Europe under western/US influence from 1945-1990, Germany, France, Austria...

This is not idle talk. I lived in Central Europe, it's what has made me despise the dictatorship of the USSR and the continuing denial of that in Russia (and with collaborating progressives like Thom Hartmann). My god, compare Budapest with Vienna. Compare Bratislava with Bonn. Compare Prague to Paris, Serbia to Italy, whatever. The cultures under the USSR/Warsaw Pact were wrecked, bled dry, raped. They were crumbling buildings and potatoes for every meal.

Don't get me wrong, I think capitalism can be soulless and democracy can be a fraud, but really, let's keep some perspective.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
13. Just curious...
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:01 PM
Apr 2014

You say:

According to the Geneva agreement, Russia must publicly tell the "pro-Russian militants" (Russian thugs, Russian soldiers in plainclothes) to stand down and leave the buildings they have violently taken over.

This is the agreement:

http://eeas.europa.eu/statements/docs/2014/140417_01_en.pdf

Where does it say what you say it says?

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
15. I don't say it, the article says it
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 03:36 PM
Apr 2014

and it has been mentioned in several articles and many media reports I've heard. Maybe this 2-page summary you link to doesn't include that particular detail

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
16. It is not a summary.
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 04:12 PM
Apr 2014

It is the agreement. And the agreement says no such thing. The media has a narrative to stir up a fight between the U.S. and Russia. Don't buy into it.

former9thward

(32,016 posts)
22. Then you will enlighten us and post the agreement.
Fri Apr 25, 2014, 09:39 PM
Apr 2014

Especially the part where Russia was ordered to tell the people in Eastern Ukraine to stand down.

RedCloud

(9,230 posts)
27. Kerry should investigate John McCain in this.
Mon Apr 28, 2014, 03:24 PM
Apr 2014

International Republican Institute.

And unlike almost all of you, I was in Ukraine. I saw the West European carpetbaggers coming in wanting to pay pre-Bolshevik prices for things dozens of times more in worth. They are the cause that capitalism will fail there once again. But yet there is no reporting of this.

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