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Tommy_Carcetti

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Wed Apr 23, 2014, 10:46 PM Apr 2014

Tally of persons kidnapped by Russian-backed insurgents in Ukraine’s east grows to 16

Source: Kyiv Post

Sixteen persons, including journalists, have been kidnapped over the past week in the eastern Ukrainian cities of Sloviansk and Horlivka, according to Kyiv Post reporting and that of Donetsk-based news website Novosti Donbassa. Some have been released while two have been found dead.

The following is a list of the 16 persons and the details of each case.

April 23 – Sloviansk City Councilman Vadym Sukhonos was abducted by Kremlin-backed militants, reports TSN television channel, citing local media in the Donetsk Oblast. Sukhonos apparently was kidnapped for ideological reasons. In February, he quit the Party of Regions, the dominant party in eastern Ukraine, and is now a local independent lawmaker.

April 22 – In Sloviansk, the bodies of two men were found near the river Torets with signs of torture, according to Ukraine’s Interior Ministry. One of them has been identified as Volodymyr Rybak, a Horlivka city councilman believed to have been kidnapped on April 17. He was found with a sandbag tied around his body and a slash across his stomach. He is believed to have drowned in the river while unconscious. According to the ministry’s reports, members of the pro-Russian separatist group who seized the city’s security services building were involved in the alleged torture and murder of the two men.
Volodymyr Rybak, a Horlivka city councilman.

April 22 – Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, the self-proclaimed mayor of Sloviansk in northern Donetsk Oblast confirmed that unidentified people in uniform had captured Vice News journalist Simon Ostrovsky, an American, who was last seen early morning on April 22. Stella Khorosheva, a spokeswoman for the pro-Russian militants in the eastern city told the Associated Press on Wednesday that Ostrovsky was being held at the local branch of the Ukrainian Security Service that pro-Russian militiamen seized more than a week ago. Khorosheva told the news agency that Ostrovsky is "fine" and is "suspected of bad activities" but refused to explain. She added that the pro-Russian group is conducting an investigation into Ostrovsky’s activities.

Read more: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/tally-of-persons-kidnapped-by-russian-backed-insurgents-in-ukraines-east-grows-to-16-update-344798.html



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Tally of persons kidnapped by Russian-backed insurgents in Ukraine’s east grows to 16 (Original Post) Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2014 OP
you mean people liberated from oppressiven freedom. penultimate Apr 2014 #1
All of them obviously neo-nazis NT Adrahil Apr 2014 #2
they are just being protected Duckhunter935 Apr 2014 #3
Introduce new fear and intimidation. Russia's not getting very far with winning TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #4
I'll be a contrarian, go out on a limb, and call this chapter a Putin fail. Iterate Apr 2014 #8
Yep, the bummer of it is that when Putin isn't winning the game, he TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #9
Fascists called Simon a Right Sector apologist. joshcryer Apr 2014 #5
From a press conference on the 23rd with the soapmaker/self-appointed mayor, Iterate Apr 2014 #7
Here is some additional information about Simon davidpdx Apr 2014 #6

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
4. Introduce new fear and intimidation. Russia's not getting very far with winning
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 03:00 AM
Apr 2014

hearts and minds--nobody's rallying much around the "protests" or to the presence of masked Russians with guns, nor is Ukraine overreacting to it. So now they need to increase the provocation level, and suppress any dissent lest regular citizens get crazy notions of rejecting their new Russian overlords.

Iterate

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8. I'll be a contrarian, go out on a limb, and call this chapter a Putin fail.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 11:23 AM
Apr 2014

There was no general uprising.

There was no Ukrainian overreaction. That may be considered a virtue, but considering that they have been nearly demilitarized by pro-Russian governments in the past and recently had to hold a fund-raiser to support operations, it might be necessity.

In most cities, the takeovers were ended or ignored without notable public support.

The only exceptions are several cities in a triangle about 50 miles on a side, from Slavyansk to Luhansk to Horlivka. I've found it not easy to know the population in that area exactly, but it's on the order of 700,000 to 1M people. We can presume this is the area of greatest Russian support. A couple of polls indicate only about 25% Russian/separatist support there. It's a surprisingly old population demographically; I'd say about 90,000 potential pro-Russian supporters in that triangle. Ukrainian population is ~46M, 4.3M in the entire Donetsk Oblast.

At most about 2500 have protested at any one time by any account. A counter-protest(have forgotten where though, Slavyansk or nearby, that's nervy) had nearly as many.

In a recent protest, it looked like this in Donetsk:



RIA Novosti reported the area "being swept by protest", including Kharkiv(pop. 1.4M). The Governor was attacked there and a building briefly taken. This is what the protest segment looked like:



Finally, turning to kidnappings, robbery, random destruction, intimidation of the press, is a sign of loss of discipline and direction of the pro-Russian forces.

If it is a Putin fail, that's good news; the bad news is, that after each of the continuous but failed attempts to control Ukraine and derail the EU/AA success (sorry, it's not about the US, NATO, or cookies) since 2003 or so, he has escalated to a more desperate and clumsy tactic.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
9. Yep, the bummer of it is that when Putin isn't winning the game, he
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 12:12 PM
Apr 2014

kicks over the game board like a tantrum-y three year old. So the planned popular mass uprising in support of a Russian takeover will devolve into plain old force.

joshcryer

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5. Fascists called Simon a Right Sector apologist.
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 03:37 AM
Apr 2014

This is absurdity. Hope Simon is still alive, still no video of him. One of the pro-Russia fascists joked about how his bruises would heal in due course. Basically they can't show him all bruised up and tortured.

Iterate

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7. From a press conference on the 23rd with the soapmaker/self-appointed mayor,
Thu Apr 24, 2014, 09:31 AM
Apr 2014

2014-04-23 16:34:21
Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, the self-proclaimed 'mayor' of Slavyansk, has given a press conference where he answered questions about the fate of American journalist Simon Ostrovsky. Below we have posted a translation.

Reporter: Where is he?
Ponomaryov: He's alive and well, thank God.

Reporter: Where is he?
Ponomaryov: He's with us.

Reporters: Where? Where?
Ponomaryov: [Laughs] In a preliminary detention cell.

Reporter: Why are you holding him?
Ponomaryov: Huh?

Reporter: Why are you holding him?
Ponomaryov: So he wouldn't put out a lot of provocative commentary, so he wouldn't conduct hostile activity on our territory. In the final analysis, he is an undesirable element in our area. Since -- and I repeat again -- we know all the journalists, we are familiar with you all, we talk to you all, we reached a certain agreement about what and how you are to clearly and accurately broadcast information received, not to exaggerate the facts.
complete...http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-65-kiev-relaunches-campaign-to-dislodge-separatists/#2419

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