Jews ordered to register in east Ukraine
Source: USA Today
Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to "register" with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Israeli media.
Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee "or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated," reported Ynet News, Israel's largest news website.
Donetsk is the site of an "anti-terrorist" operation by the Ukraine government, which has moved military columns into the region to force out militants who are demanding a referendum be held on joining Russia.
The leaflets bore the name of Denis Pushilin, who identified himself as chairman of "Donetsk's temporary government," and were distributed near the Donetsk synagogue and other areas, according to the report.
Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)i wonder who is behind this pushing the world into war
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)with or goes there is going to abet another holocaust.
7962
(11,841 posts)Putin was trying to PROTECT the citizens from the evil doings of the US and CIA. Right?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)warrant46
(2,205 posts)Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)warrant46
(2,205 posts)Registration of Jews led the Nazis to the homes of Jews who were rounded up and sent off to labor
Doesn't the NRA use the same logic to the government registering guns?
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)derby378
(30,252 posts)We may be watching the opening act of World War III.
Hopefully when the time comes, we will be led by Churchill and not Chamberlain.
(Not a comment on any current leader or individual).
demigoddess
(6,644 posts)My aunt said right before the Iraq/Afghanistan war started "haven't we had enough wars?" and then she died before it ended. Oh right, it still hasn't ended. So I hope I'm dead before there is a WWIII
davepc
(3,936 posts)Kind of an ugly way to use history, but this whole situation is ugly.
Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)davepc
(3,936 posts)There are enough neo-nazi elements that participated in the February revolution. If I was a Russian SVR agent trying to stir up dissent against the Ukrainian government, equating that government with Nazis is something I would do. What better way to do that then create parallels (weather its true or not) between the Ukrainian government and Hitler.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)The flyer was passed around in the areas that are claiming they want to rejoin Russia. Not the parts controlled by the Ukrainian government.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)Of course, it "might" be possible that pro-Russian groups are trying to scare a whole lot of people away from a pro-Russian stance to take up a pro-Ukrainian stance. Hey, it could happen!
Always remember that in war (either a hot or cold one) the first casualty is the truth.
n/t
okwmember
(345 posts)say on Rachel last night that Putin's propaganda inside Russia is that the new Ukranian leaders are nazis? That's gonna be a real hard sell if the Russian loyalists in the Ukraine are registering Jews.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Scairp
(2,749 posts)He is a thug and says whatever he believes he needs to say to justify his illegal actions, just like when he ran the KGB. This guy is our Stalin for the 21st century. Stalin fought Germany too, but then persecuted Jews.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Scairp
(2,749 posts)But both cut from the same cloth for certain.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)As Eric Holder indicated, are we a Nation of Cowards when it comes to race and ethnic discrimination.
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)nt
villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)RKP5637
(67,112 posts)shit again.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)"Jews of the city of Kiev and vicinity! On Monday, September 29, you are to appear by 08:00 a.m. with your possessions, money, documents, valuables, and warm clothing at Dorogozhitskaya Street, next to the Jewish cemetery. Failure to appear is punishable by death.
Order posted in Kiev in Russian and Ukrainian on or around September 26, 1941.
ref http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Ukraine
Victims
3,000,000 Ukrainians & non-Jews
850,000 - 900,000 Jews
starroute
(12,977 posts)What's that line about a lie flying three times around the world before the truth can get its pants on? It would be nice if we didn't get these long, outraged threads on the basis of a single report before anyone has established the facts. I wouldn't put anything past anybody in that region at this point -- but it would be really dumb for the separatists to pull something like this, and that alone makes the story kind of fishy.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/pro-russians-in-donetsk-deny-calling-for-jews-to-register/
Pro-Russian separatists from Donetsk in eastern Ukraine denied any involvement in the circulation of flyers calling on Jews to register with separatists and pay special taxes. . . .
The flyers were official-looking documents that carried what was presented as Pushilins signature, but the news site tvrain.ru on Wednesday quoted Pushilin as denying any connection to the flyers, calling them a provocation. . . .
On Tuesday, the news website novosti.dn.ua reported that the flyers were handed out that day by three unidentified men in balaclava masks carrying a flag of the Russian Federation.
According to the report, the men distributed the flyers next to a local synagogue. The website quoted unnamed sources from the local Jewish community as saying that the flyers were an attempt to provoke a conflict and blame the attack on the separatists.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)There is also the transparent and easily predicted frame-up backlash effect, such that the apparent bad actors will not benefit from, but rather be tremendously hurt by their "deed".
Smells fishy to me.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)The Blue Flower
(5,444 posts)Sounds like somebody's psy ops to me.
cabrona
(47 posts)That's who handed out the leaflets? That could be anyone.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)the ones with photos of various president's as hitler... It's taken all my reserve not to destroy their table.
Reading the report you shared.. it sounds much more probable than what was hysterically shared on the right wing media today.
blm
(113,085 posts)His has been a calculated march.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)One has to wonder at the source and timing of this. Lots of different actors here with agendas.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I can see lots of people not liking those two getting cozy.
arikara
(5,562 posts)Somebody is salivating for a war.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)Javaman
(62,534 posts)sounds like the start of a new round of pogroms.
cabrona
(47 posts)From the article:
Pushilin acknowledged that flyers were distributed under his organization's name in Donetsk, but denied any connection to them, Ynet reported.
The leaflet may be an artifact of Ukrainian nationalists, who include anti-semitic fascist elements, seeking to discredit the ethnic Russian insurgents.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)cabrona
(47 posts)The article also says that Jews "were told" to do this. What is not clear is who told them.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)The flyer doesn't even make any sense
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.585897
Seriously? Only the deranged minds of illiterate neonazi freaks would even warp into that bizarre conspiracy angle but it makes for great propaganda and scaremongering. Everyone except neonazi conspiracy freaks knows that Jewish leaders in no way supported that Jew-killing swine Stepan Bandera the National Hero of the Ukrainian rightwing who was being honored at the rally our neocon McCain addresses. Jews were fighting Bandera and his butchers with every breath in their bodies.
The source of this story is Novosti Donbassa, Yatsenyuk's mouthpiece.
When neocons need people to support wars under a Republican presidency, they scream about right-to-life babies being thrown out of incubators.
When neolibs need people to support wars under a Democratic presidency, they scream about minorities, in this case Gays and Jews. And when Israel won't get on board with our latest warmongering out come the big propaganda guns like this pathetic piece.
Brilliant. This is how we get 60 years of uninterrupted wars, a bloated military budget and a political stranglehold by the 1% on elections. Just switch the targets as rapidly as you can but keep exploiting people's emotions. Tempo tempo for war drums.
The least we could do is not act to surprised at how easily we're had, over and over again.
cabrona
(47 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)not a fan of the New Republic btw but here it is:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117415/relax-ukraine-not-ordering-its-jews-register
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Its a fake flyer, says Lesley Weiss, deputy director of the National Conference Supporting Jews (NCSJ), which focuses its efforts on Russia, Ukraine, and the Baltic States.
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ukraine-jewish-registry-fake/
cprise
(8,445 posts)Why would an official advertise for a formal procedure and then immediately deny its existence? If the goal was actually to register Jews then officials wouldn't try to undermine their own message.
It reeks of a smear campaign.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/17/jews-in-east-ukraine-are-being-threatened-but-by-whom.html
50 US dollars. Nice slip up there guys. I'm sure Brennan meant for you to convert that to local currency before printing up the flyers.
They blurred over recent history, saying that the leaders of the Jewish community of Ukraine supported the Bandera Junta, the groups name for the new Ukrainian government and a reference to the legendary Ukrainian nationalist leader Stepan Bandera. The fliers were handed out Wednesday. Identical ones were slipped under car windshield wipers on nearby streets. All was quiet on Thursday around the synagogue, a modest brick building with bas-relief menorahs on the double entryway doors.
Mr. Maltsev, the spokesman, said Mr. Pushilin had not written, signed or approved any text demanding that Jewish residents register. How could he do such a thing? Mr. Maltsev said. He understands that many different kinds of people live here.
Room 514 was empty on Thursday, and militants milling about the building said that no one ever intended to set up a registry for Jews there.
Instead, Stanislav Shumaiko, a protester in the building, said the fliers were clearly the work of the government in Kiev and intended to discredit the Donetsk Republic. We are laughing; this is propaganda, he said.
...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/world/europe/efforts-to-register-jews-in-ukraine-are-denounced-and-denied.html?hpw&rref=world&_r=0
Raksha
(7,167 posts)I also feel vindicated, since you clearly knew about Stepan Bandera before you read the flyer, and I didn't.
Re Only the deranged minds of illiterate neonazi freaks would even warp into that bizarre conspiracy angle but it makes for great propaganda and scaremongering. Everyone except neonazi conspiracy freaks knows that Jewish leaders in no way supported that Jew-killing swine Stepan Bandera the National Hero of the Ukrainian rightwing who was being honored at the rally our neocon McCain addresses. Jews were fighting Bandera and his butchers with every breath in their bodies.
I had never heard the name before, and the first article I read had only a few sentences in the way of background. So I could not speak with the same authority that you did when I needed to. But just knowing he was a WWII Nazi collaborator who was responsible for the murder of thousands of Jews and Poles in pursuit of an "ethnically pure" Ukraine was enough to tell me there was NO WAY the Ukrainian Jews could have supported the fascists who consider him a hero.
Even if I didn't know of Bandera's reputation...THEY DID!
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Koko's thread in GD: "Ukraine Is Not Ordering Its Jews to Register"
I spent several hours looking into this and made several posts. My last post, Letter from NCSJ. Also there are 3 similar leaflets, has me boiling mad.
Time Magazine reported that this is "Either a Hoax or a Crude Extortion Scheme".
And Bandera, just so you have a little more information, whenever you see those red and black flags in Kiev like in this picture when the neonazis were besieging the Parliament for the coup, those are Bandera flags.
A sick quote from Kievs newly-appointed deputy head of south-eastern Ukraine
This scum should be given promises, guarantees, and any concessions
And hung
They should be hung later, Filatov, a lawyer and a businessman, wrote on his Facebook page commenting on events in Crimea. He did not clarify who exactly he classifies as scum.
The post particularly its part on hang them later drew wide media attention. Filatov was quick to note though that he was writing not as an official.
...
I am proud of Bandera. He is my Hero. Particularly, as I see that people are ready to die under red-and-black flags, Filatov stated.
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-dnepropetrovsk-crimea-protest-458/
They go out of their way to honor Bandera every chance they get, proudly waving that flag of Nazi collaboration and when it's banned by FIFA as a racist symbol, here's how they tried to get around that
The explicit harkening back to the songs, slogans, and symbols of the nationalist movement of the 1930s and 1940s with its aspiration to achieve an ethnically pure Ukrainian nation-state free of Russians, Jews, and Poles has been one of the most significant differences between these protests and the Orange Revolution of 2004. The right-wing groups have been particularly active among the organization of the protest movement on the ground, particularly as the number of protesters has dwindled over time and revealed a resilient right-wing core. Svobodas deputies control the opposition-occupied Kiev city administration building, its flag is widely visible and a portrait of Bandera hangs in the central hall.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/02/12/who-are-the-protesters-in-ukraine/
Charming eh?
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)amandabeech
(9,893 posts)That's the part of Ukraine that has declared its independence and wants to become part of Russia.
Clearly, its the Ukrainian nationalists.
In June of '42 you'd have been screaming "Second Front Now!".
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Anti-semites, a false-flag operation, or God-knows-what.
Ugh.
The Magistrate
(95,255 posts)At this point, best to keep an open mind and await further facts.
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)elleng
(131,084 posts)U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Thursday that Jews in a city in eastern Ukraine had been ordered to register with the authorities, calling the idea intolerable.
"Just in the last couple of days, notices were sent to Jews in one city indicating that they had to identify themselves as Jews ... or suffer the consequences," Kerry told reporters. "This is not just intolerable, it's grotesque."
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014/04/17/world/europe/17reuters-ukraine-crisis-kerry-jews.html?hp
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)His track record with panic stories is bad. Show some patience until there are actual confirmations about what happened and why.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Although it has made me think of some general things I should consider. My senators will do the right things at the national level (Warren/Markey), my congressman probably will too. (Kennedy)
Do you have a suggestion? I mean that as a question, not facetiously.
elleng
(131,084 posts)as to my representatives. I'll assure myself that they're paying attention and doing the right thing.
I'm concerned about the 'doubters' here, and can only imagine what was going on in Europe 60+ years ago, so I 'vote' for vigilance.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)I number of years ago, I made a little study of how Nazi Germany came to be. It convinced me that what happened there could easily enough happen again anywhere - even here.
But in this case, there are many bad actors and many shadowy actors, so it's unclear as to what's really happening.
progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)The latest news I'm reading is that they were flyers handed out as people left the synagogue, and no one has claimed responsibility for them yet. Someone was behind it, but it's not clear yet from reading all the stories now, if it was an official move, or something done to make someone else look like nazis.
elleng
(131,084 posts)and by whomever, I'm not going to encourage us to ignore it.
1000words
(7,051 posts)Again.
tclambert
(11,087 posts)In a nutshell, the Nazis executed 100,000 to 150,000 Jews and others in a ravine called Babi Yar in the Ukrainian capital city, Kiev. No fancy gas chambers or ovens. They just shot them, and buried them in the ravine.
The first line of Yevgeny Yevtushenko's famous poem says, "Over Babi Yar, there are no monuments." For long years that was true. The Soviet attitude toward Jews made efforts to put up a memorial impossible. It wasn't until the breakup of the Soviet Union that the first memorial went up.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I fear for those citizens...
Catherina
(35,568 posts)to support more war.
This mysterious pamphlet doesn't even make any sense and it comes suspiciously on the heels of our anger at Israel for refusing to support our little adventure against Russia as the US and EU play political ball with neonazis in Ukraine.
Israel refuses to get dragged into our "quagmire" (their words), refuses to back down on what a bunch of neonazis are in the Ukranian putsch government and suddenly appears this mysterious pamphlet. And all this after the Tatar card failed and after Ukrainian troops refused to shoot at civilians in East Ukraine (they're all getting courtmartialed now).
Babies in the incubators. Again sadly.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Like the neonazi movement growing in greece. It's shocking.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)I'm resigning myself to a year of depression if things keep going the way they are, from bad to worse every day.
Please see Koko's thread in GD: "Ukraine Is Not Ordering Its Jews to Register"
I spent several hours looking into this and made several posts. My last post, Letter from NCSJ. Also there are 3 similar leaflets, has me boiling mad.
Time Magazine reported that this is "Either a Hoax or a Crude Extortion Scheme".
Shame on whoever is behind this.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)But there has been a rise in anti-semitism in that part of the world....or at least they are becoming more open about it. Much like racism here in America.
lark
(23,155 posts)This is disturbing news.
DirtyDawg
(802 posts)...it was supposed to be 'those other guys' that were Nazis.
elleng
(131,084 posts)'U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry said on Thursday that Jews in a city in eastern Ukraine had been ordered to register with the authorities, calling the idea intolerable.
"Just in the last couple of days, notices were sent to Jews in one city indicating that they had to identify themselves as Jews ... or suffer the consequences," Kerry told reporters. "This is not just intolerable, it's grotesque."'
http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2014/04/17/world/europe/17reuters-ukraine-crisis-kerry-jews.html?hp
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)feels that the USA is totally the bad apple.
elleng
(131,084 posts)but I'm not going to ignore this, OR promote ignorance of it.
former9thward
(32,073 posts)Especially with the resources he has access.
LisaL
(44,974 posts)LisaL
(44,974 posts)Jews have not been ordered to register.
elleng
(131,084 posts)whether or not ordered by the current 'regime.' There is and has been historic antisemitism in Europe (among other places,) and to ignore it, in any form and by whomever, would be intolerable.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)There's been almost total silence from US politicians and the US Media over Israel's decision to abstain from voting at the UN in the vote to condemn Russia's annexation of the Crimea. Even before the UN sessions, Israel was refusing to get on board and, despite immense pressure, only issued a statement that they hoped things would be resolved peacefully.
Israel was very clear. They ""do not understand this point of view, which calls for Israel to be dragged into this quagmire". and wouldn't even attend the two UN meetings to condemn Russia. They're not going to sacrifice good relations they've had with Russia for people who are supporting Svoboda, who the World Jewish Congress wanted banned because they are neo-Nazis, but who, thanks to US & EU help, now have the Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine. When was the last time we saw ultranationalists neonazis with so many major positions in a European government? Israel remembers all too well. This little propaganda ploy, a flyer distributed by 3 unidentified men, is too ludicrously transparent for words. All it's missing are pictures little babies in incubators in the header and footer.
13.04.14
White House and State Department officials in Washington have built up a great deal of anger over Jerusalem's "neutrality" regarding Russia's invasion of the Crimean Peninsula. Senior figures in the Obama administration have expressed great disappointment with the lack of support from Israel for the American position on the Ukraine crisis and with the fact that the Israeli government puts its relations...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.585333
This despite all the pressure the US has been putting on Israel.
Terse statement, which precedes Lieberman-Kerry meeting in Rome, is careful not to insult Russia or President Vladimir Putin.
05.03.14
After pressure from the United States government, the Israeli government issued its first official statement on the crisis in Ukraine Wednesday night. In its laconic statement, Israel did not comment on the Russian invasion into Crimea but only underscored that it hopes the crisis will be solved peacefully.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.578197#
Less than two year ago the Israeli government was complaining to Kiev about the rise of Svoboda and other neonazi elements. No sense expecting Israel to be too pleased about having bona fide "88" lapel pin wearers occupying important posts in a European government. For our government to now whine about Israel not supporting us in the UN is beyond pitiful.
Israel skipped out on both UN meetings to condemn Russia.
13 April 2014
US officials expressed anger over Israel's policy of "non-interference" with the Russian annexation of the Crimea; Israel's Haaretz newspaper reported.
A US official told the paper that the White House was disappointed with Israel's absence from the UN General Assembly meeting two weeks ago to vote on condemning Russia's military invasion of the Crimea and call to maintain Ukraine's territorial integrity.
"We have been consulting closely on Ukraine not only with our partners and allies around the world. Obviously we are looking to the entire international community to condemn Russia's actions and to support Ukraine, so we were surprised to see that Israel did not join the large majority of countries that voted to support Ukraine's territorial integrity at the United Nations. Israel's justification that it did not attend the meeting due to the Foreign Ministry strike is unacceptable" said the senior US official.
The US official said that Washington is particularly angry with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman's failure to publically support the US position on the crisis.
According to Haaretz the US is especially disappointed with FM Lieberman who equated Israel's relations with the United States to its relations with Russia. Lieberman is reported to have told Channel 9 that Israel has "good and trusting relations with the Americans and the Russians, and our experience has been very positive with both sides". The official said "I do not understand this point of view, which calls for Israel to be dragged into this quagmire".
...
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/news/americas/10861-us-angry-with-israels-neutrality-over-ukrainian-crisis
Israel is very wise not to get involved and jeopardize its good relations with Russia. The rest who are salivating for war, well "Beat those war drums!" Israel won't be joining in. It knows exactly what this shit is.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)So - I'd say this is a sick scam by persons unknown.
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm! Less jobs! Less social services! More war!
What a merry little globalized party they're all having eh?
Women in burkas! Babies in incubators! Gays! Jews!
What next?
cabrona
(47 posts)uhnope
(6,419 posts)Give us a break. Putin started this conflict and he's responsible for this shit.
richard3
(11 posts)The Ukrainian fascist Right Sector is responsible for what you so delicately call "this shit."
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Response to uhnope (Reply #114)
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progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)as a way to prove that the President is not doing enough.
BUT... in all the articles I'm reading, I have yet to find anything that substantiates that this is some official effort to register Jewish people there. It could very well be the same things as the instances in GOP State groups where some idiot leader faxes something offensive to everyone, or does something like the infamous "attacks" on Bush supporters, that turned out to be fake and blamed on liberals.
The fact that Herman Cain and others are salivating and pushing this story without any real background on this, makes me suspicious that this is NOT some official movement to do this. Sounds like more of a scare tactic by some faction of extremists, or the fact that they put the name of the Chairman on them, means that it could have been done solely to scare people and make someone look bad.
I'm not gong to jump on the OMG bandwagon yet, until it's sorted out.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)There is no requirement for jews to "register" in Russia so why would a pro-Russia movement want it?
Secondly, the jews have been at the forefront of supporting Russia because they fear the Svoboda thugs far more than the Russians.
This news doesn't pass the smell test and it was carried out to inflame Jews and the world. Just yeasterday, the state department was whining about Israel not supporting the US over Ukraine. Now this. mmmmmmm hmmmmmm. Right.
lillypaddle
(9,581 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)are purely innocent
louis-t
(23,297 posts)mountain grammy
(26,647 posts)As Kerry said "this is not only intolerable but grotesque."
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)nyabingi
(1,145 posts)from Greystone present in eastern cities and with the onset of Kiev's military offensive against eastern separatists, you all need to keep in mind that the pro-Russian citizens of Ukraine are now going to be the targets of heinous propaganda and smear tactics aimed at discrediting their aspirations, including the mysterious appearance of these anti-Jewish pamphlets. The fact that John Kerry has jumped all over this (labeling it "grotesque" should raise the suspicions of anyone following developments in that country.
In a crisis in which the propaganda has been particularly heavy, and in view of the fact that widely-recognized anti-Semitic political parties are participating in the post-coup government in Kiev (and this has been one of the complaints of eastern Ukrainians), I would doubt the authenticity of these pamphlets until the group allegedly responsible steps forward to lay claim to it.
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4510688,00.html
TYY
Catherina
(35,568 posts)"The ADL today condemned the appearance of anti-Semitic fliers in Donetsk, Ukraine, and called on all parties involved in the political conflicts in Ukraine to refrain from 'cynical and politically manipulative' exploitation of anti-Semitism," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director.
"We are skeptical about the fliers authenticity, but the instructions clearly recall the Nazi era and have the effect of intimidating the local Jewish community," he said.
We have seen a series of cynical and politically manipulative uses and accusations of anti-Semitism in Ukraine over the past year, said Mr. Foxman. The perpetrators and their targets are opposing politicians and political movements, but the true victims are the Jewish communities. We strongly condemn the anti-Semitic content, but also all attempts to use anti-Semitism for political purposes.
...
http://mashable.com/2014/04/17/pamphlets-jews-register-ukraine/
Catherina
(35,568 posts)Relax, Ukraine is Not Ordering Its Jews to Register
Today, the Western press caught up with the Ukrainian rumor mill: apparently, the People's Republic of Donetsk had ordered all Jews over the age of 16 to pay a fee of $50 U.S. and register with the new "authorities," or face loss of citizenship or expulsion. This was laid out in officious-looking fliers pasted on the local synagogue. One local snapped a photo of the fliers and sent it to a friend in Israel, who then took it to the Israeli press and, voila, an international scandal: American Twitter is abuzz with it, Drudge is hawking it, and, today in Geneva, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry slammed the fliers as "grotesque."
The Donetsk Jewish community dismissed this as "a provocation," which it clearly is. "It's an obvious provocation designed to get this exact response, going all the way up to Kerry," says Fyodr Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs. "I have no doubt that there is a sizeable community of anti-Semites on both sides of the barricades, but for one of them to do something this stupidthis is done to compromise the pro-Russian groups in the east."
Why? The Russian government has been playing up the (real but small) role of fascists and neo-Nazis in the victory of the EuroMaidan in Kiev. The Ukrainian government, utterly powerless to fight off the Russians and their local stooges, have had to rely on other methods, like leaking taped phone calls of allegedly local separatists getting their commands from Moscow. This may be just another tactic to smear the so-called anti-Maidan in the east of Ukraine: you think we're fascists? Well, take a look at these guys.
...
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117415/relax-ukraine-not-ordering-its-jews-register
Enrique
(27,461 posts)It clearly suggests that this was an official action.
if I go out tomorrow and hand out such a pamphlet, would it be "Jews ordered to register in United States"?
David Zephyr
(22,785 posts)Whether it was a "prank" or not, it is way beyond vile. Those leaflets are pure evil wrapped up in hateful cruelty.
applegrove
(118,771 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)jakeXT
(10,575 posts)The pro-Russian separatist leader of Donetsk, whose alleged signature is on the now notorious fliers calling on the eastern Ukrainian city's Jews to register on pain of deportation, said the documents were fakes, the ThinkProgress website reported Thursday.
Some idiots yesterday were giving out these fliers in targeted areas, said Denis Pushlin, head of the self-proclaimed People's Republic of Donetsk, whose forces have taken over Ukrainian government buildings in the city. Pushlin said he didn't sign the documents and the People's Republic, whose name is stamped on the fliers, didn't produce them.
Meanwhile, the Anti-Defamation League said it was "skeptical about the
authenticity" of the fliers, which have been widely reported and accepted as authentic, including by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who denounced them as "grotesque."
Also, Julia Ioffe, who covers Russia for The New Republic, wrote: "The Donetsk Jewish community dismissed [the fliers] as 'a provocation,' which it clearly is. 'It's an obvious provocation designed to get this exact response, going all the way up to Kerry,' says Fyodr Lukyanov, editor of Russia in Global Affairs. 'I have no doubt that there is a sizeable community of anti-Semites on both sides of the barricades, but for one of them to do something this stupid this is done to compromise the pro-Russian groups in the east.'"
http://www.haaretz.com/news/world/.premium-1.586174
Scruffy Rumbler
(961 posts)reading that. OMG.... i feel sick....
First they came for ......
Catherina
(35,568 posts)City's chief rabbi states pamphlet is fake, claiming it is meant to discredit pro-Russian protesters or Jewish community
Alec Luhn in Donetsk
The Guardian, Friday 18 April 2014 16.18 BST
The barricades outside the Donetsk regional administration building are plastered with anti-fascist posters. Photograph: Scott Olson/Getty Images
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US secretary of state John Kerry soon waded into the media storm over the piece of paper, describing it as "grotesque" and "beyond unacceptable". But on Friday the chairman of the Donetsk People's Republic and the city's chief rabbi both stated that the flyer was a fake meant to discredit the so-called republic or the Jewish community.
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"I think it's someone trying to use the Jewish community in Donetsk as an instrument in this conflict. That's why we're upset," the chief rabbi, Pinchas Vishedski, told journalists on Friday.
According to Jewish community members at Donetsk's only synagogue, which was founded 110 years ago, three masked men walked up to worshippers standing on the street after a Passover service on Wednesday and tried to distribute the flyers. They wore no insignia and quickly left when asked to identify themselves.
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When seen by the Guardian on Friday, several aspects of the document immediately called into question its legitimacy. Pushilin is officially the chairman of the temporary government and has avoided being labelled its governor or leader. Also, the Donetsk People's Republic stamp shown there is poor quality and a different size than normally used, and the order is not signed.
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"We were alarmed but now things have calmed down," said worshipper Ari Schwartz.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/antisemitic-donetsk-peoples-republic-ukraine-hoax
Beacool
(30,251 posts)Oh yeah, Poland in the 1930s.