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Tace

(6,800 posts)
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:17 AM Apr 2014

Michael Ruppert Kills Self

Source: World News Trust



April 15, 2014 (World News Trust) -- Author Michael Ruppert killed himself Sunday night with a gunshot to the head, authorities report.

"I can confirm after speaking with the Napa County Sheriff's Office that yes, Michael C. Ruppert is dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. 100 percent confirmed," his attorney and business partner, Wesley Miller, wrote Tuesday on the CollapseNet.com website founded by Ruppert.

Ruppert was an American author, a former Los Angeles Police Department officer, investigative journalist and peak oil awareness advocate, according to his Wikipedia biography.

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Michael Ruppert Kills Self (Original Post) Tace Apr 2014 OP
I will never understand suicide AgingAmerican Apr 2014 #1
I don't think I fully understood it until I experienced my aged father's last years enough Apr 2014 #8
You and every nurse who has cared for someone with Alzheimer's Warpy Apr 2014 #15
I walked into this thread and sub thread thru your point of view also. Nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #28
I recently had to put my 18+ male cat down.... AnneD Apr 2014 #42
I had to do much the same with my kitty of 12 years. We were extremely close and in love with RKP5637 Apr 2014 #109
I agree so much get the red out Apr 2014 #131
same thing with my sweet angel 12 y.o. cat wordpix Apr 2014 #156
IMO we should be in control of our eventual death. I had two sisters that died simply horrific RKP5637 Apr 2014 #105
What they've found in places with assisted suicide laws Warpy Apr 2014 #106
IMO it's a power trip. They set themselves up on pedestals to judge others and then feel RKP5637 Apr 2014 #108
They talk about Dr assisted suicide for terminal cases arikara Apr 2014 #111
please share your methods. Mom had Alz 6 yrs. and I have cancer wordpix Apr 2014 #155
Probably better to use PM. Also, there are some popular books out there like Final Exit... Hekate Apr 2014 #166
I have a plan also. My wife ballyhoo Apr 2014 #127
Really? I can't understand trying to live forever and being miserable. The_Commonist Apr 2014 #24
I totally get it. Don't agree with. Nor inclined to it. But, I understand. Nt seabeyond Apr 2014 #27
Same here. CFLDem Apr 2014 #30
Sure you will understand suicide. The Stranger Apr 2014 #40
Well said. n/t Tom_Foolery Apr 2014 #75
be thankful you don't understand it Skittles Apr 2014 #54
^^^this magical thyme Apr 2014 #124
Collapse SecularMotion Apr 2014 #2
This is excellent thank you. nt snappyturtle Apr 2014 #157
One of the authors on my way to enlightenment Horse with no Name Apr 2014 #3
He was broke some years ago. truedelphi Apr 2014 #35
Me too. Horse with no Name Apr 2014 #37
Ruppert was always a little unhinged hack89 Apr 2014 #4
Actually, to be honest Horse with no Name Apr 2014 #5
Indeed, if the concept of peak oil doesn't unhinge one a little, then one isn't thinking very much arcane1 Apr 2014 #18
Did you read Crossing the Rubicon? TomClash Apr 2014 #6
Yes - it was pure truther BS hack89 Apr 2014 #7
Must be comforting to have a handle on the unimpeachable truth, as you have. WinkyDink Apr 2014 #9
He was peddling "facts" that are easy to prove were wrong. hack89 Apr 2014 #10
This kinda logic dead_head Apr 2014 #11
Logical fallacy AlbertCat Apr 2014 #13
I guess I did not express myself correctly dead_head Apr 2014 #52
Actually hack did exactly that arikara Apr 2014 #113
Actually hack did exactly that thing you say he didn't. AlbertCat Apr 2014 #132
Welcome to DU arikara Apr 2014 #114
Maybe he approached it from the wrong angle, but the number and type of exercises going on that day brett_jv Apr 2014 #22
The planes dedicated to armed intercept were not involved in any exercises hack89 Apr 2014 #25
Really? Another 911 thread? billhicks76 Apr 2014 #53
There is always time for a Truther thread hack89 Apr 2014 #91
Uh No billhicks76 Apr 2014 #99
Bless your heart hack89 Apr 2014 #101
what purpose would it serve? Delay the military and air traffic controllers from doing the job yurbud Apr 2014 #58
Why would civilian ATC be involved in military exercises? hack89 Apr 2014 #90
Ah, I found the transcript I was looking for, with civilian controller talking to military yurbud Apr 2014 #112
So a single question somehow equals mass confusion? hack89 Apr 2014 #118
good point. yurbud Apr 2014 #125
since you have all the military experience, what happened to the NORAD response that day? yurbud Apr 2014 #129
It was never standard NORAD procedure to do intercepts within US borders hack89 Apr 2014 #138
gravedancing? perhaps you should back off and shut up since you look ridiculous xiamiam Apr 2014 #23
There are a surprising number of Truthers here hack89 Apr 2014 #26
Not surprising to me....I was pretty sure when I saw this that I would VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #31
Again with this garbage ? billhicks76 Apr 2014 #45
What did I say about him other than I thought he would find "fans" here? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #47
It Is About Him billhicks76 Apr 2014 #49
I didn't say I was opposed to suicide or anything about suicide did I? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #51
and that is why the ignore feature is so necessary xiamiam Apr 2014 #38
A True Believer hack89 Apr 2014 #39
Defend the merits of laissez-faire economics? HughBeaumont Apr 2014 #43
Are you a Truther? Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #93
Have Some Respect billhicks76 Apr 2014 #44
You do understand that "grift" requires money right? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #48
Wow that was quick billhicks76 Apr 2014 #62
YES....just as I expected "fans" on DU... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #67
Cute. arikara Apr 2014 #116
Perhaps the life misbegotten is your own! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author Raksha Apr 2014 #162
You are a sick human being billhicks76 Apr 2014 #46
"indignified" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #50
question for you. dead_head Apr 2014 #63
did I say I hated him or wanted him dead? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #65
no dead_head Apr 2014 #73
you don't "disagree 100% with him"? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #76
No dead_head Apr 2014 #87
By the way dead_head Apr 2014 #95
You have 36 whole posts here...most if not all from this thread.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #96
36 posts....oooooohh billhicks76 Apr 2014 #102
and that means jack actually..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #120
so what? dead_head Apr 2014 #107
Ignore them. arikara Apr 2014 #117
PLEASE DO!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #122
37 posts for a Conspiracy Theorist.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #121
Ha...what a joke billhicks76 Apr 2014 #143
And That Person Is just A Self-Hating Conspiracy Theorist billhicks76 Apr 2014 #144
We Prefer Rhapsody In Red billhicks76 Apr 2014 #145
Tell me this is a conspiracy theory 777man Apr 2014 #149
They Conveniently Ignore This billhicks76 Apr 2014 #154
You Are Spot On My Friend billhicks76 Apr 2014 #142
Fallacious arguments ABOUT Conspiracy Theories.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #146
Why is it always either their way or Alex Jonses way? billhicks76 Apr 2014 #70
Totally agree dead_head Apr 2014 #74
That Way Is Suspect billhicks76 Apr 2014 #78
The I is next to the U billhicks76 Apr 2014 #64
No I don't fall for Truthers or Birthers... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #66
Alex Jones billhicks76 Apr 2014 #72
Oh NOW who couldn't have seen THAT coming.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #77
I Know Right? billhicks76 Apr 2014 #81
No actually it is not.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #83
Yes You Are billhicks76 Apr 2014 #100
No that is not my theory..... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #151
That poster is particularly odious. SolutionisSolidarity Apr 2014 #60
odious.... wildbilln864 Apr 2014 #85
Yes one poster with 300 posts conversing with another 300 post poster about how they KNOW VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #152
Why is conspiracy theories in quotation marks? SolutionisSolidarity Apr 2014 #164
Don't fall for grifters and you won't get your feelings hurt. hack89 Apr 2014 #92
I'd Pay A Grifter Before I'd listen To You billhicks76 Apr 2014 #103
Grifters depend on people like you hack89 Apr 2014 #104
could you post links to prove some particular points he made were wrong? yurbud Apr 2014 #59
I will try to dig up the threads from the old DU hack89 Apr 2014 #94
thank you. yurbud Apr 2014 #97
A number of very talented artistic people have killed themselves... MicaelS Apr 2014 #33
so...there were no exercises going on that day? yurbud Apr 2014 #56
There are several military exercises, big and small, every day hack89 Apr 2014 #86
He backed up Gary Webb on Contra drug smuggling and confronted CIA director in public yurbud Apr 2014 #55
No, his stuff on 911 was not solid hack89 Apr 2014 #88
YES HE did, and Kill The Messnger Movie Will refocus attention on it 777man Apr 2014 #148
tar sands and fracking prove that we've passed the peak of easily recoverable oil yurbud Apr 2014 #158
Randi Rhodes called out the Saudi's in that LONG ago! VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #153
do you have a link? That sounds good. yurbud Apr 2014 #165
the Bush administration and their allies never went after critics like Dan Rather yurbud Apr 2014 #57
Dan Rather blew up his own career hack89 Apr 2014 #89
so that happens to reporters all the time when they get some detail in a story wrong? yurbud Apr 2014 #126
When you go after the President of the United States with forged documents hack89 Apr 2014 #136
Are there any specific instance where you believe the Bush administration lied or fabricated yurbud Apr 2014 #128
The intel to go to war was cherry picked and fabricated. Nt hack89 Apr 2014 #137
could there be any aspect of the 9/11 story that could possibly misrepresented? yurbud Apr 2014 #140
Ruppert Uncovered CIA Drug-Running Tace Apr 2014 #12
a good friend knows him and was under the impression he was bipolar zazen Apr 2014 #14
This is the best explanation of his behavior ... nt MindMover Apr 2014 #16
I Was Under That Impression, Too Tace Apr 2014 #29
apparent self inflicted grasswire Apr 2014 #17
! DeSwiss Apr 2014 #19
well you know the conspiracy theory crowd would turn it into a conspiracy... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #32
The definition of Conspiracy would be your friend... 2banon Apr 2014 #41
yep. We should believe exactly what the government tells us, especially the Bush admin yurbud Apr 2014 #61
So you DO believe Ruperts death is a conspiracy??? VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #69
how did you get that out of what I said? I was referring to the derogatory tone about Ruppert's work yurbud Apr 2014 #71
Uh you mean his "conspiracy theory work" VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #84
Probably legalese. MicaelS Apr 2014 #34
RIP warrior. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #20
Very Sad.... KoKo Apr 2014 #21
Early on he informed my views on peak oil. Whatever else has been said, may he RIP. nt silvershadow Apr 2014 #36
Yes, I believe that he contributed to the old site "The Old Drum" very frequently. amandabeech Apr 2014 #79
Same here. I hope he has found peace. nt Mojorabbit Apr 2014 #110
No! Delphinus Apr 2014 #68
RIP n/t bitchkitty Apr 2014 #80
Gary Webb...cough cough. Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #82
Agreed. Raksha Apr 2014 #135
there is suicide, and there is 'being suicided'. olddad56 Apr 2014 #159
Sad. deathrind Apr 2014 #98
VIDEO: Mike Ruppert speaks truth to power: confronts CIA director on drug running yurbud Apr 2014 #115
KILL THE MESSENGER MOVIE OCT 10, 2014 -- SPREAD THE WORD-- AND RIP MIKE RUPPERT 777man Apr 2014 #150
What a shame!!! Beacool Apr 2014 #123
For me he epitomized the Truth Warrior GliderGuider Apr 2014 #130
Suicide seems out of character for Mike Ruppert. Raksha Apr 2014 #133
I've heard speculations about both depression and bipolar disorder. GliderGuider Apr 2014 #134
Look at his behavior when he fled to Venezuela hack89 Apr 2014 #160
That's very possible. Raksha Apr 2014 #161
My family has been touched by suicide hack89 Apr 2014 #163
Abby Martin's comments on Ruppert's death... PoliticAverse Apr 2014 #139
This REALLY bums me out. I've reading Crossing the Rubicon four times. laserhaas Apr 2014 #141
laserhass: I'm Bummed, Too Tace Apr 2014 #147
 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
1. I will never understand suicide
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:20 AM
Apr 2014

I hope you have found the sunrise that eluded you in life Mr. Ruppert.

enough

(13,259 posts)
8. I don't think I fully understood it until I experienced my aged father's last years
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:57 AM
Apr 2014

with Alzheimer's disease. I now have a plan for suicide which I hope to implement if I ever have reason to think I may be developing dementia. Of course I will have to do immediately and not wait, because then it would be too late.

This has made me think that there are common situations that would make suicide a rational decision and one made in love for one's family.

I have no idea why Michael Ruppert did this, but I don't assume he didn't have a good reason.

Warpy

(111,273 posts)
15. You and every nurse who has cared for someone with Alzheimer's
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:03 PM
Apr 2014

We've all got exit plans and ours will work, even without a gun.

My mother didn't have it but used to beg for my help to die. My dad suddenly developed a couple of "problems" and put enough medication to be lethal within her reach. Her anxiety disappeared and she never did use it. Just knowing it was there if it got too hard helped her enjoy what she could.

So yeah, I fully understand suicide. Sometimes it's the right thing for the person but it's always hell for the people s/he leaves behind.

AnneD

(15,774 posts)
42. I recently had to put my 18+ male cat down....
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:21 PM
Apr 2014

he had renal disease and I had been giving him daily IVs and meds. They helped him rally and I know he felt better. It was his Indian Summer. But eventually, he became reluctant to take his meds. I took his cue and got a can of his favorite and we took the long hard trip to the vet. He ate well, purred as I pet him and then went peacefully in my arms. It was the toughest most loving grown up thing I have ever done.

So if I can arrange this most simple and merciful last act for my beloved cat, why do I have to watch my brother or mother suffer so.

Warpy, you are right. I don't know a Nurse that has ever witnessed a hard death that hasn't started thought of an escape plan of her own.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
109. I had to do much the same with my kitty of 12 years. We were extremely close and in love with
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 12:10 AM
Apr 2014

each other. He was a truly brilliant cat. It was very difficult for me to do, but he knew he was very sick. He was being treated at a remarkable animal hospital for terminal cancer and they said there was no hope for him.

I did not want him to suffer any pain. He stared and stared into my eyes saying do something. He was extremely calm throughout the procedure and passed on while I was kissing him on his forehead and rubbing his chin, one his favorite rubs. The staff was all tearing up, I was crying as much as I could control it.

We helped him along before any pain, at least he seemed to have none. His lungs were becoming full of cancerous tumors and there was just no hope.

I've been through several horrific deaths in my family with terminal cancer. How anyone could witness that and then want to prolong pain and suffering is beyond me. We live in a very immature culture.

I've though of escape plans of my own, but really have never thought it all through, yet.

get the red out

(13,466 posts)
131. I agree so much
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:01 PM
Apr 2014
"We live in a very immature culture."


There is no more true statement than that. I absolutely understand suicide. I understand the desire from suffering from depression, and I understand it from seeing my Grandmother die of Alzheimer's. It is a sad society that declares that innocent human beings MUST suffer to the very bitter end.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
156. same thing with my sweet angel 12 y.o. cat
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:39 AM
Apr 2014

She was ready to go---tumors in her stomach and liver, wouldn't eat or drink. Vet put her down in the most kind and benign way while I petted and held her. First a shot of Valium to put her to sleep and then the heart stopper. She didn't make a move. Wish I could go like that.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
105. IMO we should be in control of our eventual death. I had two sisters that died simply horrific
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:59 PM
Apr 2014

deaths from terminal cancer simply because of this inane notion that we continue life despite the pain and suffering. Fortunately, for my mother, I was able to intervene and stop the insertion of a feeding tube that would have perpetuated her life in a coma from multiple strokes.

When my cat and best friend of years developed terminal cancer, he and the vet and I talked and decided we should help him pass on before unbearable pain began. He was a brilliant cat, truly brilliant and he knew what was occurring and was pleased with our decision as he passed on with us kissing.

Warpy

(111,273 posts)
106. What they've found in places with assisted suicide laws
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 10:53 PM
Apr 2014

is that few choose to end their lives that way. Just knowing it's there gives them enormous peace of mind, just like it did for my mother.

Moralists all want us to wring every last drop of misery out of life. I get that those who say they love Jebus the most are the least likely to want to meet him in person. I just wish they'd grows some personal boundaries and stop projecting that onto the rest of us.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
108. IMO it's a power trip. They set themselves up on pedestals to judge others and then feel
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:53 PM
Apr 2014

IMO euphoric via oneupmanship. It's a head trip for them, unfortunately, resulting in some unfortunate and off time ridiculous laws.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
111. They talk about Dr assisted suicide for terminal cases
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:34 AM
Apr 2014

but its always been around if you read between the lines. When people are really sick and Dr's load them up on medication they tell them not to take too much or they will go to sleep and not wake up. I used to be a paramedic and I saw huge bottles full of morphine in some places. Doctors always helped in their own way, at least the caring ones.

My dad has dementia, some things are far worse than the quicker exit.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
155. please share your methods. Mom had Alz 6 yrs. and I have cancer
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 09:36 AM
Apr 2014

It would help if I could choose my own time and not have to suffer

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
166. Probably better to use PM. Also, there are some popular books out there like Final Exit...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:34 PM
Apr 2014

... by Derek Humphry.

I wish you peace of mind -- and regarding that, the comments here about people knowing they have the means at hand bringing them peace of mind are very true.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
127. I have a plan also. My wife
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:25 PM
Apr 2014

is DHS (Director of Nursing) for a well-know Alzheimer's facility. Many of the Senior Management also have such plans. With what you have said, I understand why you have a plan. Moreover, even for those who do not know a relative or someone else with Alzheimers, I got no problem with ANYONE who plans suicide or actually does it. In this day and age where one bad disease can bankrupt a family who has worked hard all of their lives and leave them--if treatment is done--living in abject poverty for the duration, I understand completely why people commit suicide. There would be no question about what would be done in my case. This is why my sister committed suicide many years ago. She asked me before doing it what I thought she should do. I answered back: What do you think you should do? She said "suicide". I simply nodded. Right v/ Wrong.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
24. Really? I can't understand trying to live forever and being miserable.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:44 PM
Apr 2014

I had a conversation last night with a neighbor about another neighbor who just had a mild stroke and is driving her family crazy. She's a nice old lady and is diabetic and has to take insulin 5 times a day. She kicks and screams and makes it nearly impossible for her family to administer her shots. That was mostly true even before the stroke, but she's gotten worse. Sad stuff.

Anyway, so I said to the guy I was chatting with... "I think it's too bad that we don't live in a society or are a species where you can just throw a big party and say goodbye to everyone and give away all your stuff, and then go to bed and never wake up. That's what I'm planning on doing. Hopefully not for a long time, but you never know." That's totally what I plan to do, most likely sometime between my 77th and 88th birthdays.

I value my consciousness immensely, but when it comes down to it, I'm not all that special. And, I have no desire whatsoever to be a burden on my family, or to suffer for years on end.

Of course, your mileage may vary.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
40. Sure you will understand suicide.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 04:57 PM
Apr 2014

Let's get you on over here to some clinical depression for a few months.

Voila.

You will understand suicide.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
3. One of the authors on my way to enlightenment
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:32 AM
Apr 2014

"Crossing the Rubicon" opened my eyes to a brave new world that was awaiting us.

May you Rest in Peace sir.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
35. He was broke some years ago.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:12 PM
Apr 2014

The books he had published did not of course bring him enough money to maintain the type of income you need to survive in very expensive metro California. Even Napa can be expensive.

I know he was struggling with being right on the edge of homelessness just a few years back. His big joy in life was taking his dog out each night and talking to people in the neighborhood.

Reading this makes me sick.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
4. Ruppert was always a little unhinged
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:35 AM
Apr 2014

his seeking "refuge" in Venezuela because the government was out to kill him and his subsequent claim that he was poisoned twice to silence him come immediately to mind. Toss in the fact that he was a 9/11 Truther and it comes as no surprise that this would happen.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
5. Actually, to be honest
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:45 AM
Apr 2014

aren't we all a little unhinged? To know the things we know....and see things happen that we know the inevitable end? It is unhinging, to say the least.

No doubt he went over the edge...but even though his data wasn't always "in line"...some of the truths he spoke were refreshing....as with his theory of Peak Oil. 100% spot on true? No...but enough truth to glean that we are in deep shit if we don't do something about it.

If he brought awareness to one person regarding something of that importance...then his time here was not wasted.

TomClash

(11,344 posts)
6. Did you read Crossing the Rubicon?
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:45 AM
Apr 2014

It's an interesting work, though not without some significant problems.

Your explanation seems a little harsh, not to mention a bit removed from the evidentiary standards you usually require of others.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. Yes - it was pure truther BS
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:53 AM
Apr 2014

the entire NORAD stand down and staging exercises to weaken our defenses is typical of the nonsense he peddles.

That entire Alex Jones crowd caters to people that are off center mentally - no reason to think he was any different.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
10. He was peddling "facts" that are easy to prove were wrong.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 12:10 PM
Apr 2014

I read things I knew were wrong simply from my 20 years in the military. Go look at the old 911 forum on DU2 - his book was a topic of discussion for a very long time.

dead_head

(81 posts)
11. This kinda logic
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 12:12 PM
Apr 2014

would drive me over the edge as well.
Either you believe 100% the governement, or your like ALex Jones.

Those responses are drive me crazy

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
13. Logical fallacy
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 12:54 PM
Apr 2014

You have employed the classic "False Dilemma" where you falsely assume there are only 2 positions to chose from.... something "hack89" has not done. Nor has he assumed that he has perfect knowledge.

Your argument is useless.

dead_head

(81 posts)
52. I guess I did not express myself correctly
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:27 PM
Apr 2014

This is what I don't agreee with. Limiting options between being completly right or wrong.

Sorry

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
132. Actually hack did exactly that thing you say he didn't.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:04 PM
Apr 2014

Where did he say you have to believe 100% of what the government says?

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
22. Maybe he approached it from the wrong angle, but the number and type of exercises going on that day
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:38 PM
Apr 2014

Including the fact the NRO was war-gaming a plane crashing into their building THAT VERY DAY ... is certainly enough to make one wonder ... how did the terrorists just happen to get SO LUCKY as to choose that particular day to do their deed?

Approaching the subject from the angle that the exercises were purposefully scheduled on that day to weaken our defenses is a huge stretch. Wondering if someone tipped them off to choose that day is a lot LESS of a stretch, IMHO. It is rather amazing how lucky those terrorists got, in SO many ways. How MUCH stuff had to go right ... Moussaui's (sp?) laptop not getting searched by the FBI in time, is just one of dozens of things ... in order for the op to go as planned ... is actually really amazing once you look at all of it.

Anyways ... RIP Mr. Ruppert. I'll always have some love for the original 'truther'.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
25. The planes dedicated to armed intercept were not involved in any exercises
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:48 PM
Apr 2014

secondly, it was never shown that a higher than normal number of exercises was actually held. The fact is that every day of the year there are numerous military exercises, large and small, going on.

Why would the plotters deliberately schedule such an drill at the NRO? What purpose would it serve beyond raising suspicions?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
53. Really? Another 911 thread?
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:34 PM
Apr 2014

I know your desperate to argue about 911 but it's unseemly. The mans claim to fame was exposing CIA and LAPD involvement in cocaine distribution to raise funds for illegal wars in Central America while flooding the Minority communities with bad drugs. It was practically admitted in the late 90s by the Justice Dept but not without squeaky wheeled apologists like yourself hacking away at reality for decades. It was really no different than the heroin smuggling the CIA did during Vietnam to fund off the books destabilization programs abroad while putting down people in the Black Panthers community they felt threatened by with addiction. The antiTruthers are no different to me than vehement Truthers. They are exactly the same. And they definitely remind me of Rudy Guliani although even that charlatan would have more respect than diving into an obituary to peddle his beliefs at the expense of a dead mans reputation. You belong in the Tea Party What an ego you waive around.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
99. Uh No
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:37 PM
Apr 2014

Go away. Go troll Alex Jones website. I just looked it up. Not one mention of Rupperts death. And he has no achieved articles mentioning him except a response to an editorial that Michael wrote condemning Jones's view on Gary Webb's suicide. You should try editorializing on sock puppet profiles managing public opinion as reported in the NYT, New Yorker and LA Times. It would be more constructive given your love of the actual truth. I myself view your tone and insistence on polluting an obituary as slimy

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
58. what purpose would it serve? Delay the military and air traffic controllers from doing the job
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:58 PM
Apr 2014

they were trained to do and wanted to do.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
90. Why would civilian ATC be involved in military exercises?
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 08:09 PM
Apr 2014

The are done in dedicated military air space controlled by the military. The controllers that launched the fighters were not involved in any exercise - they simply didn't know where the high jacked planes were.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
112. Ah, I found the transcript I was looking for, with civilian controller talking to military
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:43 AM
Apr 2014
Cooper: Hi, Boston Center, TMU, we have ah a problem here, we have a hijacked aircraft headed towards New, New York and we need you guys to, we need someone to scramble some F-16s or something up there to help us out.

Powell: Is, is this real world or exercise?

Cooper: No, this is not an exercise, not a test.

AUDIO

FULL TRANSCRIPT

hack89

(39,171 posts)
118. So a single question somehow equals mass confusion?
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:22 AM
Apr 2014

A five second delay to ask a simple question and get a clear answer made all the difference on 911?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
138. It was never standard NORAD procedure to do intercepts within US borders
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 04:30 PM
Apr 2014

They did lots of intercepts of aircraft approaching the US from international airspace but none over land. I have been asking for examples for years and no one has ever been able to give any example that prove it was a routine occurrence.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
23. gravedancing? perhaps you should back off and shut up since you look ridiculous
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:42 PM
Apr 2014

I happen to appreciate Michael Rupperts work and there is nothing you can say to diminish that..RIP Michael Ruppert and thank you for attempting to enlighten us

hack89

(39,171 posts)
26. There are a surprising number of Truthers here
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:49 PM
Apr 2014

and no, I don't plan to shut up. Grifters like Rupperts should be condemned at every opportunity.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
31. Not surprising to me....I was pretty sure when I saw this that I would
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:28 PM
Apr 2014

find a number of DU'ers who would be "fans"...and I wasn't disappointed.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
45. Again with this garbage ?
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:17 PM
Apr 2014

You live for this don't you? Ruppert existed long before 911. Only the underbelly of humanity seizes the selfish opportunity to talk bad about a suicide victim to peddle their own beliefs. We get it...your number one mission in life is to convince everyone that the official 911 story is the absolute truth and to people need to stop questioning it.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
47. What did I say about him other than I thought he would find "fans" here?
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:22 PM
Apr 2014

hit a nerve? Its not about him...its about you and others reaction to it...

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
49. It Is About Him
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:24 PM
Apr 2014

Some people on here HAVE family members who have committed suicide. You don't deserve a response but go swing your ideas somewhere else.

xiamiam

(4,906 posts)
38. and that is why the ignore feature is so necessary
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:40 PM
Apr 2014

makes my world slimy instead of cognizant..carry on if you must, falling on deaf ears as it appears much of the truth has escaped you

hack89

(39,171 posts)
39. A True Believer
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 03:54 PM
Apr 2014

not many of you guys left. Once Bush was out of office, the air went out the Truther balloon pretty quick. The grifters moved on to Birtherism because that is where the money was. What do the rest of you do to keep busy?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
44. Have Some Respect
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:14 PM
Apr 2014

The former LA detective is dead in a tragic way with his family grieving and you are just here to peddle your beliefs. You disgust me and I consider you a grifter actually. A pathetic one. Give it a rest. And only the uneducated would think Birthers and so-called truthers are connected in any way whatsoever. You sound no different than a republican military contractor type threatened by his theories.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
62. Wow that was quick
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:07 PM
Apr 2014

I wish I didn't have a job so I could respond just as quick but honestly I would rather just honor this guy for working so hard. My first experience with him was watching the documentary about him attending the 1992 Democratic convention. The Last Party? I believe Robert Downey Jr starred in it. Highly recommended. Is Robert Downey Jr a grifter too because he has views that differ from you or some republicans? Name calling isnt the best way to communicate.

Response to arikara (Reply #116)

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
46. You are a sick human being
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:20 PM
Apr 2014

You couldn't pay me enough money to believe you yourself are an honest person. I don't care what politics or background you claim...you are acting indignified.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
50. "indignified"
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:25 PM
Apr 2014

I think the word you meant was "undignified".....


and no it is not...

If Glenn Beck or Alex Jones did this....how would you react by the way?

dead_head

(81 posts)
63. question for you.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:07 PM
Apr 2014

To answer your question, I don't agree with Alex Jones because he's a libertarian but I don't hate him or want him dead.

I got a question for you. Do you believe a 100% the official story on 9-11?

dead_head

(81 posts)
73. no
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:37 PM
Apr 2014

I wanted to say;

If alex jones would shoot himself, I would have a different reaction, cause I don't disagree 100% with him and I don't hate him. I don't agree with libertarians values but I don't think ALL conspiracy theorist are crazy and or wrong.

Can you answer my question please?

dead_head

(81 posts)
87. No
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 08:01 PM
Apr 2014

I don't believe int he official story on 9-11.

I havent listen to ALex Jones since 2009 at least. Alex Jones was different as well back in the day. I think he went crazy. But then again I got this conspiracy theory about alex Jones

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
96. You have 36 whole posts here...most if not all from this thread....
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 08:59 PM
Apr 2014

and to support a Conspiracy Theorist...and you don't "100% disagree with" and "you "used" to support Alex Jones...

I don't owe anyone any explanations...

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
102. 36 posts....oooooohh
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:43 PM
Apr 2014

You got him there. On HuffPost a guy with thousands of posts got outed for working for a military contractor. He actually had more posts because he got paid for it and spent ALL his time commenting. He even got raised to moderator status and got people banned as commenters became moderators with their new model. I'm not saying you're one of those but implying someone is suspect because they don't spend all their time on message boards is sophomoric.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
120. and that means jack actually.....
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 10:26 AM
Apr 2014

this is Democratic Underground....perhaps you missed that factoid. And a guy with only 350 defending him AND the Conspiracy Theorist...

See you left that part out...that those few posts were to DEFEND the honor of a Conspiracy Theorist (not just the low post count).

dead_head

(81 posts)
107. so what?
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 11:48 PM
Apr 2014

Why does it matter I have not a lot of post?
I don't usually post on message boards.

Why does it matter that I used to listen to Alex Jones?

In fact you guys remind me of ALex Jones. To him EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. To you guys NOTHING is a conspiracy. You both have the same bully like attitude of trying to convince of the superiority of your belief system.

Nice way to not answer the question. No wonder I don't trust people that are paranoid of conspiracy theorist.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
117. Ignore them.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:56 AM
Apr 2014

I haven't used my ignore button since they changed the format. I'm going to give it a go now, those two aren't worth the time or aggravation.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
121. 37 posts for a Conspiracy Theorist....
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 10:29 AM
Apr 2014

nothing suspicious about that at ALL!

Being suspicious of Conspiracy Theorists are not the Paranoid ones....the Conspiracy theorists ARE...WOW no wonder you are so easily led.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
143. Ha...what a joke
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:50 PM
Apr 2014

And to Dead.Head..."with the politicians throwin stones...while the kids they dance and shake their bones...cuz its all to clear were on our own...in our own." Paradise Waits rocked!!!!!!!

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
144. And That Person Is just A Self-Hating Conspiracy Theorist
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:53 PM
Apr 2014

Their conspiracy theory is that there are no conspiracies. Hahahaha. I guess tell that to the 500,000 people incarcerated just on conspiracy charges. They probably don't believe what's going on in the prison industry or the NSA blackmailing either.

 

777man

(374 posts)
149. Tell me this is a conspiracy theory
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:30 AM
Apr 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022291453

Maxine Waters Investigation

Quite unexpectedly, on April 30, 1998, I obtained a secret 1982 Memorandum of Understanding between the CIA and the Department of Justice, that allowed drug trafficking by CIA assets, agents, and contractors to go unreported to federal law enforcement agencies. I also received correspondence between then Attorney General William French Smith and the head of the CIA, William Casey, that spelled out their intent to protect drug traffickers on the CIA payroll from being reported to federal law enforcement.

Then on July 17, 1998 the New York Times ran this amazing front page CIA admission: "CIA Says It Used Nicaraguan Rebels Accused of Drug Tie." "The Central Intelligence Agency continued to work with about two dozen Nicaraguan rebels and their supporters during the 1980s despite allegations that they were trafficking in drugs.... The agency's decision to keep those paid agents, or to continue dealing with them in some less formal relationship, was made by top officials at headquarters in Langley, Va.". (emphasis added)
.........The CIA had always vehemently denied any connection to drug traffickers and the massive global drug trade, despite over ten years of documented reports. But in a shocking reversal, the CIA finally admitted that it was CIA policy to keep Contra drug traffickers on the CIA payroll. The Facts speak for themselves. Maxine Waters, Member of Congress, September 19, 1998




The 1982 MOU that exempted the reporting requirement for drug trafficking was no oversight or misstatement. A remarkable series of letters between the Attorney General and the Director of Central Intelligence show how conscious and deliberate this exemption was.

On February 11, 1982 Attorney General William French Smith wrote to Director of Central Intelligence William Casey that, "I have been advised that a question arose regarding the need to add narcotics violations to the list of reportable non-employee crimes ... No formal requirement regarding the reporting of narcotics violations has been included in these procedures."

On March 2, 1982 Casey responded happily, "I am pleased that these procedures, which I believe strike the proper balance between enforcement of the law and protection of intelligence sources and methods..."

Simply stated, the Attorney General consciously exempted reporting requirements for narcotics violations by CIA agents, assets, and contractors. And the Director of Central Intelligence was pleased because intelligence sources and methods involved in narcotics trafficking could be protected from law enforcement. The 1982 MOU agreement clearly violated the Central Intelligence Agency Act of 1949. It also raised the possibility that certain individuals who testified in front of Congressional investigating committees perjured themselves.
....... Many questions remain unanswered. However, one thing is clear - the CIA and the Attorney General successfully engineered legal protection for the drug trafficking activities of any of its agents or assets. Maxine Waters, Member of Congress, September 19, 1998



“Several informed sources have told me that an appendix to this Report was removed at the instruction of the Department of Justice at the last minute. This appendix is reported to have information about a CIA officer, not agent or asset, but officer, based in the Los Angeles Station, who was in charge of Contra related activities.According to these sources, this individual was associated with running drugs to South Central Los Angeles,around 1988. Let me repeat that amazing omission. The recently released CIA Report Volume II contained an appendix, which was pulled by the Department of Justice, that reported a CIA officer in the LA Station was hooked into drug running in South Central Los Angeles.”

--U.S. Congresswoman Maxine Waters – October 13. 1998, speaking on the floor of the US House of Representatives.


http://www.scribd.com/doc/117070568/US-Congresswoman-Maxine-Waters-Investigation-of-CIA-Contras-involvement-in-drug-sales-1996-2000



Exhibit 1
:
U.S. Attorney General William French Smith replies to a still classified letter from DCI William Casey requesting exemption from reporting drug crimes by CIA assets.

Source: cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/contra-story/01.gif



Exhibit 2:

DCI William Casey happily agrees with William French Smith and signs the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) exempting his agency from reporting drug crimes. This agreement covered both the Latin American conflicts and Afghanistan war. It remained in effect until August, 1995 when it was quietly rescinded by Janet Reno after Gary Webb began making inquiries for his series. The 1995 revision of the DoJ-CIA MOU specifically includes narcotics violations among the lists of potential offenses by non-employees that must be reported to DOJ.

Source: cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/contra-story/13.gif



Exhibit 3:

On February 8, 1985, Deputy Chief of DoJ's Office of Intelligence Policy andReview (OIPR) from 1979 to 1991, A. R. Cinquegrana signed off on this letter approving the MOU. Mark M. Richard, Deputy Assistant Attorney General with responsibility for General Litigation and International Law Enforcement in 1982, states that he was unableto explain why narcotics violations were not on the list of reportable crimes except thatthe MOU had "other deficiencies, not just drugs."
Source: cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/contra-story/14.gif








HPSCI Investigation closed out 2000
From LOYAL OPPOSITION: In Plain Sight: The CIA Keeps Getting Away With It
By David Corn June 5, 2000
http://www.alternet.org/story/9268/




NYT --CIA Inspector General admits that Agency kept working with drug smugglers-/ Had an agreement to not report smuggling
New Yprk Times 1998
http://www.scribd.com/doc/128181161/NYT-CIA-Inspector-General-admits-that-Agency-kept-working-with-drug-smugglers-Had-an-agreement-to-not-report-smuggling


“When CIA Inspector General Fred P. Hitz testified before the House Intelligence Committee in March 1998, he admitted a secret government interagency agreement. `Let me be frank about what we are finding,’ Hitz said. `There are instances where CIA did not, in an expeditious or consistent fashion, cut off relationships with individuals supporting the Contra program who were alleged to have engaged in drug trafficking activity.’

“The lawmakers fidgeted uneasily. `Did any of these allegations involved trafficking in the United States?’ asked Congressman Norman Dicks of Washington. `Yes,’ Hitz answered. Dicks flushed.”

“And what, Hitz was asked, had been the CIA’s legal responsibility when it learned of this? That issue, Hitz replied haltingly, had `a rather odd history…the period of 1982 to 1995 was one in which there was no official requirement to report on allegations of drug trafficking with respect to non-employees of the agency, and they were defined to include agents, assets, non-staff employees.’ There had been a secret agreement to that effect `hammered out between the CIA and U.S. Attorney General William French Smith in 1982,’ he testified.”

Hitz concluded his testimony by stating “This is the grist for more work, if anyone wants to do it.”
 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
154. They Conveniently Ignore This
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 04:35 AM
Apr 2014

Because they are no better than the establishment status quo that we want to change.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
142. You Are Spot On My Friend
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 07:46 PM
Apr 2014

And I've been campaigning on the ground as a foot soldier for democrats since the 80s and have met numerous Congressman(many democratic ones who say there is a conspiracy and they served on house assassinations committees in the 70s and IranContra committee in 80s) but that shouldn't matter as all points of view and comments are important. I would ignore people like this one but it's good to let them speak too and neuter themselves with such Fallacious arguments. Their agenda is kinda pathetic too.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
146. Fallacious arguments ABOUT Conspiracy Theories....
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:18 AM
Apr 2014

wow...you weren't born with a sense of irony were you?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
70. Why is it always either their way or Alex Jonses way?
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:23 PM
Apr 2014

Isn't that what guys like Cheney want? If you disagree with Cheney or think he may be involved in a horrible conspiracy then that means you are Alex Jones? That's a nice way to neutralize all questioning? Hell, Cheney should invest in organizations disparaging Alex Jones just to support
Deflection, obfuscation, misdirection, bamboozlement and hoodwinking. What always is ironic to me is people coming off as exactly what they are criticizing. In this case, some people are so incensed by those questioning the official 911 theory that they sound like they have an agenda always more than any of these Truthers. It's also Orwellian how they manage to make Truth a dirty word even though some of the 911 commissioners called the official explanation a bunch of lies. They spend more time indirectly defending Bush and Cheney then they do trying to prevent future wars or crimes. It's all fine and well to be a coincidence theorist...we are all different with various beliefs...thank god. Doing the grunt work on the message boards for neocons so shamelessly is a put off whether you realize that's what you are doing or not.

dead_head

(81 posts)
74. Totally agree
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:43 PM
Apr 2014

It seems to me people are being more and more binairy;

Truther vs non truthers
Creationism vs Hardcore atheism
anti-science vs science is alway right.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
78. That Way Is Suspect
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:51 PM
Apr 2014

Its usually a clear marker of someone with an agenda...especially when they get hyperbolic in the extreme. A few of them got exposed and banned on Huffington Post after it was discovered they were paid sock-puppet profiles from military contractors like KBR who were trying to "manage" public opinion. One of them had even risen to moderator status and was purging entire threads that were just indirectly related to questioning 911. There was a giant Chinese skyscraper that burned to the ground and average people were asking why it didn't collapse like WTC when they indicated temperatures had risen to the same degree. The guy purged an entire thread of over 500 comments.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
64. The I is next to the U
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:12 PM
Apr 2014

Ill make sure I edit it. Glenn Beck is beyond a disgrace and doesn't belong in the same sentence as Ruppert. Check out the movie The Last Party. Ruppert also doesn't shout his beliefs down your throat. He was a wise, thoughtful, considerate human being who didn't want to hurt anyone. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and postulate that even you may change your view of him given enought time and investigation of the man. Most of what he espoused was unrelated to 911 by the way and was much too dry for any fanatics to sit through.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
66. No I don't fall for Truthers or Birthers...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:15 PM
Apr 2014

I notice you don't seem to have included Alex Jones in your analogy....Since you are jumping to conclusions about what I am saying...can I use the same logic and draw a conclusion about you and Alex Jones?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
72. Alex Jones
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:30 PM
Apr 2014

You people remind me of the vehemently anti-gay politicians or preachers who then get caught picking up gay prostitutes. Are you a closeted Alex Jones admirerer? There is a lot more out there in the world besides Alex Jones lovers and Alex Jones haters. I just googled Alex Jones and Michael Ruppert. Almost nothing over two decades. No show appearances. Only one major thing where Michael said Alex Jones didn't know what he was talking about concerning Gary Webbs suicide. You need to get your facts straight...especially when you are trying to turn a suicide obituary into a 911 forum.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
77. Oh NOW who couldn't have seen THAT coming....
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:50 PM
Apr 2014

I must like Alex Jones because....I don't like Alex Jones...


ahahahahahah makes perfect sense

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
100. Yes You Are
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:39 PM
Apr 2014

Youre conspiracy theory is that no conspiracies exist. I wouldn't lower the dialogue to label you a coincidence theorist. Everyone has an opinion.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
151. No that is not my theory.....
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:56 AM
Apr 2014

that would be the paranoid theory of a conspiracy theorist...

Not that there are no conspiracies.....(its the theory part that is operative here)

60. That poster is particularly odious.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:01 PM
Apr 2014

The good news is that he/she is just another piranha in the sewer that is the internet. Don't let the trolls affect your mood; what they want more than anything is to spread the evil in their hearts to those around them. They must be denied that power.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
152. Yes one poster with 300 posts conversing with another 300 post poster about how they KNOW
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:59 AM
Apr 2014

all about another poster.....

Another of your "conspiracy theories"?

164. Why is conspiracy theories in quotation marks?
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 06:10 PM
Apr 2014

Who are you quoting? Wait a minute, I don't care what assholes say. Nevermind. BTW, my post count is low because I have a life, family, and responsibilities. I'm not paid by the post, so I contribute however much I choose to. Unlike the pros who stalk this message board as if their livelyhood depended on it.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
33. A number of very talented artistic people have killed themselves...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:33 PM
Apr 2014

Over the last century, especially since the 1960s and the rise of the drug culture. And I consider drug overdose a form of suicide. Being very talented and suicidal seem to go together. That's not gravedancing, that is just a fact.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
86. There are several military exercises, big and small, every day
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 08:01 PM
Apr 2014

There was nothing out of the ordinary.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
55. He backed up Gary Webb on Contra drug smuggling and confronted CIA director in public
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:54 PM
Apr 2014

His evidence for the 9/11 stuff was pretty solid, and the mainstream press is just now growing the balls the touch the Saudi government involvement in 9/11 that Bush classified in the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 report.

He also documented the surveillance state way ahead of the Snowden leaks.

He was a braver man than most of us will probably ever meet in person.

If he is remembered by the mainstream press or in official circles at all, it will be with the kind of smears you're pushing here.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
88. No, his stuff on 911 was not solid
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 08:02 PM
Apr 2014

It was built on a foundation of misunderstanding on how NORAD and the American military work.

 

777man

(374 posts)
148. YES HE did, and Kill The Messnger Movie Will refocus attention on it
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:26 AM
Apr 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022291453


Mike was right about financial collapse of the economy. He abd Catherine Austin Fitts were talkin doomsday in 1999, 8 years before the housing market and banking sector fell apart. Mike was right!

Peak oil hasn't happened yet due to tarsands and fracking. But he was right about the BIGGIE collapse of the economy!

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
57. the Bush administration and their allies never went after critics like Dan Rather
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 06:55 PM
Apr 2014

who they chased out of the news business?

hack89

(39,171 posts)
136. When you go after the President of the United States with forged documents
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 04:24 PM
Apr 2014

Last edited Wed Apr 16, 2014, 10:22 PM - Edit history (1)

very bad things happen. It is not complicated.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
128. Are there any specific instance where you believe the Bush administration lied or fabricated
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:36 PM
Apr 2014

events or evidence or planned to, in particular what about their case for the Iraq War, did you think they just made honest mistakes rather than cooking the books and cherry-picking evidence?

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
140. could there be any aspect of the 9/11 story that could possibly misrepresented?
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 05:17 PM
Apr 2014

In particular, the role of the Saudi government has been covered up and minimized, starting with Bush classifying the Saudi government pages of the report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11.

Those kind of things get my attention far more than remote control airplanes or controlled demolition.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
14. a good friend knows him and was under the impression he was bipolar
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 12:55 PM
Apr 2014

Given the descriptions of his behavior and having known several people who are on the spectrum, it seems reasonable.

Before I get flamed, I should say that I don't consider that a condemnation at all. . . but if this was going on, the mood swings can be drastic and the dark times can feel insurmountable.

These behaviors that the 20th/21st century West calls bipolar can push people to discern/create patterns in the world that may be earth-shattering, delusionally paranoid, cliched, and everything in between. So I can appreciate what he was trying to (and did) accomplish and communicate, while also thinking that he was driven by some internal demons. He was many things.

Very sad.

Tace

(6,800 posts)
29. I Was Under That Impression, Too
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 01:56 PM
Apr 2014

Ruppert definitely had some emotional issues. Yet, the totality of his contribution to society is major.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
32. well you know the conspiracy theory crowd would turn it into a conspiracy...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 02:31 PM
Apr 2014

as they turn everything into...

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
41. The definition of Conspiracy would be your friend...
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 05:19 PM
Apr 2014

CONSPIRACY

1: the act of conspiring together
2: a: an agreement among conspirators
b : a group of conspirators


Please point to post in this thread suggesting a conspiracy wrt Ruppert's death

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
61. yep. We should believe exactly what the government tells us, especially the Bush admin
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 07:02 PM
Apr 2014

because they would have no reason to lie to us, and they were never proven to have lied about anything important were they?

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
98. Sad.
Tue Apr 15, 2014, 09:29 PM
Apr 2014

One can disagree all they want with Mr. Ruppert but you cannot disagree with the facts he dealt without looking completely foolish.

 

777man

(374 posts)
150. KILL THE MESSENGER MOVIE OCT 10, 2014 -- SPREAD THE WORD-- AND RIP MIKE RUPPERT
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:32 AM
Apr 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022291453


Mike helped to advance this body of work by Gary Webb and others. RIP MIKE
 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
130. For me he epitomized the Truth Warrior
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 01:58 PM
Apr 2014

He was an essential part of my awakening, and a living example of what it takes to follow the truth wherever it leads, regardless of the consequences. That responsibility now falls to us:

"To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high."

RIP, MCR

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
133. Suicide seems out of character for Mike Ruppert.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:43 PM
Apr 2014

He was always such a fighter, it's hard to imagine him taking that way out. I admit I haven't been following his recent work and don't know what his situation was at the end. Was he depressed or fighting a serious illness?

Reserving judgment pending further information, but this just doesn't feel right.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
134. I've heard speculations about both depression and bipolar disorder.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 02:50 PM
Apr 2014

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
160. Look at his behavior when he fled to Venezuela
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:51 PM
Apr 2014

they were not the actions and statements of a healthy mind. I have read that he was possibly bipolar.

Raksha

(7,167 posts)
161. That's very possible.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:53 PM
Apr 2014

His friends would know, and some of them will no doubt be posting their personal memories, as they have started doing already. It's very clear that he was tormented by inner demons, and that he also planned his suicide in such a way that everyone would know it was deliberate. I have read the suicide note his attorney made public on the blog of one of his friends.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
163. My family has been touched by suicide
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 04:07 PM
Apr 2014

you sometimes never appreciate how tormented they were until they are gone.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
141. This REALLY bums me out. I've reading Crossing the Rubicon four times.
Wed Apr 16, 2014, 06:34 PM
Apr 2014

I've also had my bones to pick with Mike Ruppert.

But this REALLY bums me out.

If the staunch of the staunch simply give in and let the bad guys when
(by shooting one's self so they can say "see - he's nuts&quot

Then how can one such as I, fighting a corruption war that few really care to hear of

have ANY hope to effect justice?

WTF?

Tace

(6,800 posts)
147. laserhass: I'm Bummed, Too
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:23 AM
Apr 2014

I think that Michael did his best and we need to deal with it. This is a crazy world. Best to you. --Francis

I'll add that I want to be supportive of anyone feeling desperate enough to pull the trigger. Please contact me. We can work something out. --Francis

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