Michael Ruppert Kills Self
Source: World News Trust
April 15, 2014 (World News Trust) -- Author Michael Ruppert killed himself Sunday night with a gunshot to the head, authorities report.
"I can confirm after speaking with the Napa County Sheriff's Office that yes, Michael C. Ruppert is dead from an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound. 100 percent confirmed," his attorney and business partner, Wesley Miller, wrote Tuesday on the CollapseNet.com website founded by Ruppert.
Ruppert was an American author, a former Los Angeles Police Department officer, investigative journalist and peak oil awareness advocate, according to his Wikipedia biography.
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AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)I hope you have found the sunrise that eluded you in life Mr. Ruppert.
enough
(13,259 posts)with Alzheimer's disease. I now have a plan for suicide which I hope to implement if I ever have reason to think I may be developing dementia. Of course I will have to do immediately and not wait, because then it would be too late.
This has made me think that there are common situations that would make suicide a rational decision and one made in love for one's family.
I have no idea why Michael Ruppert did this, but I don't assume he didn't have a good reason.
Warpy
(111,273 posts)We've all got exit plans and ours will work, even without a gun.
My mother didn't have it but used to beg for my help to die. My dad suddenly developed a couple of "problems" and put enough medication to be lethal within her reach. Her anxiety disappeared and she never did use it. Just knowing it was there if it got too hard helped her enjoy what she could.
So yeah, I fully understand suicide. Sometimes it's the right thing for the person but it's always hell for the people s/he leaves behind.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)AnneD
(15,774 posts)he had renal disease and I had been giving him daily IVs and meds. They helped him rally and I know he felt better. It was his Indian Summer. But eventually, he became reluctant to take his meds. I took his cue and got a can of his favorite and we took the long hard trip to the vet. He ate well, purred as I pet him and then went peacefully in my arms. It was the toughest most loving grown up thing I have ever done.
So if I can arrange this most simple and merciful last act for my beloved cat, why do I have to watch my brother or mother suffer so.
Warpy, you are right. I don't know a Nurse that has ever witnessed a hard death that hasn't started thought of an escape plan of her own.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)each other. He was a truly brilliant cat. It was very difficult for me to do, but he knew he was very sick. He was being treated at a remarkable animal hospital for terminal cancer and they said there was no hope for him.
I did not want him to suffer any pain. He stared and stared into my eyes saying do something. He was extremely calm throughout the procedure and passed on while I was kissing him on his forehead and rubbing his chin, one his favorite rubs. The staff was all tearing up, I was crying as much as I could control it.
We helped him along before any pain, at least he seemed to have none. His lungs were becoming full of cancerous tumors and there was just no hope.
I've been through several horrific deaths in my family with terminal cancer. How anyone could witness that and then want to prolong pain and suffering is beyond me. We live in a very immature culture.
I've though of escape plans of my own, but really have never thought it all through, yet.
get the red out
(13,466 posts)"We live in a very immature culture."
There is no more true statement than that. I absolutely understand suicide. I understand the desire from suffering from depression, and I understand it from seeing my Grandmother die of Alzheimer's. It is a sad society that declares that innocent human beings MUST suffer to the very bitter end.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)She was ready to go---tumors in her stomach and liver, wouldn't eat or drink. Vet put her down in the most kind and benign way while I petted and held her. First a shot of Valium to put her to sleep and then the heart stopper. She didn't make a move. Wish I could go like that.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)deaths from terminal cancer simply because of this inane notion that we continue life despite the pain and suffering. Fortunately, for my mother, I was able to intervene and stop the insertion of a feeding tube that would have perpetuated her life in a coma from multiple strokes.
When my cat and best friend of years developed terminal cancer, he and the vet and I talked and decided we should help him pass on before unbearable pain began. He was a brilliant cat, truly brilliant and he knew what was occurring and was pleased with our decision as he passed on with us kissing.
Warpy
(111,273 posts)is that few choose to end their lives that way. Just knowing it's there gives them enormous peace of mind, just like it did for my mother.
Moralists all want us to wring every last drop of misery out of life. I get that those who say they love Jebus the most are the least likely to want to meet him in person. I just wish they'd grows some personal boundaries and stop projecting that onto the rest of us.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)IMO euphoric via oneupmanship. It's a head trip for them, unfortunately, resulting in some unfortunate and off time ridiculous laws.
arikara
(5,562 posts)but its always been around if you read between the lines. When people are really sick and Dr's load them up on medication they tell them not to take too much or they will go to sleep and not wake up. I used to be a paramedic and I saw huge bottles full of morphine in some places. Doctors always helped in their own way, at least the caring ones.
My dad has dementia, some things are far worse than the quicker exit.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)It would help if I could choose my own time and not have to suffer
Hekate
(90,714 posts)... by Derek Humphry.
I wish you peace of mind -- and regarding that, the comments here about people knowing they have the means at hand bringing them peace of mind are very true.
ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)is DHS (Director of Nursing) for a well-know Alzheimer's facility. Many of the Senior Management also have such plans. With what you have said, I understand why you have a plan. Moreover, even for those who do not know a relative or someone else with Alzheimers, I got no problem with ANYONE who plans suicide or actually does it. In this day and age where one bad disease can bankrupt a family who has worked hard all of their lives and leave them--if treatment is done--living in abject poverty for the duration, I understand completely why people commit suicide. There would be no question about what would be done in my case. This is why my sister committed suicide many years ago. She asked me before doing it what I thought she should do. I answered back: What do you think you should do? She said "suicide". I simply nodded. Right v/ Wrong.
The_Commonist
(2,518 posts)I had a conversation last night with a neighbor about another neighbor who just had a mild stroke and is driving her family crazy. She's a nice old lady and is diabetic and has to take insulin 5 times a day. She kicks and screams and makes it nearly impossible for her family to administer her shots. That was mostly true even before the stroke, but she's gotten worse. Sad stuff.
Anyway, so I said to the guy I was chatting with... "I think it's too bad that we don't live in a society or are a species where you can just throw a big party and say goodbye to everyone and give away all your stuff, and then go to bed and never wake up. That's what I'm planning on doing. Hopefully not for a long time, but you never know." That's totally what I plan to do, most likely sometime between my 77th and 88th birthdays.
I value my consciousness immensely, but when it comes down to it, I'm not all that special. And, I have no desire whatsoever to be a burden on my family, or to suffer for years on end.
Of course, your mileage may vary.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)CFLDem
(2,083 posts)Way too much BS to deal with in life sometimes.
The Stranger
(11,297 posts)Let's get you on over here to some clinical depression for a few months.
Voila.
You will understand suicide.
Tom_Foolery
(4,691 posts)Skittles
(153,169 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Be grateful.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)"Crossing the Rubicon" opened my eyes to a brave new world that was awaiting us.
May you Rest in Peace sir.
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)The books he had published did not of course bring him enough money to maintain the type of income you need to survive in very expensive metro California. Even Napa can be expensive.
I know he was struggling with being right on the edge of homelessness just a few years back. His big joy in life was taking his dog out each night and talking to people in the neighborhood.
Reading this makes me sick.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)He did some good. I hope he knew that.
hack89
(39,171 posts)his seeking "refuge" in Venezuela because the government was out to kill him and his subsequent claim that he was poisoned twice to silence him come immediately to mind. Toss in the fact that he was a 9/11 Truther and it comes as no surprise that this would happen.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)aren't we all a little unhinged? To know the things we know....and see things happen that we know the inevitable end? It is unhinging, to say the least.
No doubt he went over the edge...but even though his data wasn't always "in line"...some of the truths he spoke were refreshing....as with his theory of Peak Oil. 100% spot on true? No...but enough truth to glean that we are in deep shit if we don't do something about it.
If he brought awareness to one person regarding something of that importance...then his time here was not wasted.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)TomClash
(11,344 posts)It's an interesting work, though not without some significant problems.
Your explanation seems a little harsh, not to mention a bit removed from the evidentiary standards you usually require of others.
hack89
(39,171 posts)the entire NORAD stand down and staging exercises to weaken our defenses is typical of the nonsense he peddles.
That entire Alex Jones crowd caters to people that are off center mentally - no reason to think he was any different.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)I read things I knew were wrong simply from my 20 years in the military. Go look at the old 911 forum on DU2 - his book was a topic of discussion for a very long time.
dead_head
(81 posts)would drive me over the edge as well.
Either you believe 100% the governement, or your like ALex Jones.
Those responses are drive me crazy
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)You have employed the classic "False Dilemma" where you falsely assume there are only 2 positions to chose from.... something "hack89" has not done. Nor has he assumed that he has perfect knowledge.
Your argument is useless.
dead_head
(81 posts)This is what I don't agreee with. Limiting options between being completly right or wrong.
Sorry
arikara
(5,562 posts)thing you say he didn't.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Where did he say you have to believe 100% of what the government says?
arikara
(5,562 posts)and they drive me crazy too.
brett_jv
(1,245 posts)Including the fact the NRO was war-gaming a plane crashing into their building THAT VERY DAY ... is certainly enough to make one wonder ... how did the terrorists just happen to get SO LUCKY as to choose that particular day to do their deed?
Approaching the subject from the angle that the exercises were purposefully scheduled on that day to weaken our defenses is a huge stretch. Wondering if someone tipped them off to choose that day is a lot LESS of a stretch, IMHO. It is rather amazing how lucky those terrorists got, in SO many ways. How MUCH stuff had to go right ... Moussaui's (sp?) laptop not getting searched by the FBI in time, is just one of dozens of things ... in order for the op to go as planned ... is actually really amazing once you look at all of it.
Anyways ... RIP Mr. Ruppert. I'll always have some love for the original 'truther'.
hack89
(39,171 posts)secondly, it was never shown that a higher than normal number of exercises was actually held. The fact is that every day of the year there are numerous military exercises, large and small, going on.
Why would the plotters deliberately schedule such an drill at the NRO? What purpose would it serve beyond raising suspicions?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I know your desperate to argue about 911 but it's unseemly. The mans claim to fame was exposing CIA and LAPD involvement in cocaine distribution to raise funds for illegal wars in Central America while flooding the Minority communities with bad drugs. It was practically admitted in the late 90s by the Justice Dept but not without squeaky wheeled apologists like yourself hacking away at reality for decades. It was really no different than the heroin smuggling the CIA did during Vietnam to fund off the books destabilization programs abroad while putting down people in the Black Panthers community they felt threatened by with addiction. The antiTruthers are no different to me than vehement Truthers. They are exactly the same. And they definitely remind me of Rudy Guliani although even that charlatan would have more respect than diving into an obituary to peddle his beliefs at the expense of a dead mans reputation. You belong in the Tea Party What an ego you waive around.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Besides, it is a big part of his legacy.
Go away. Go troll Alex Jones website. I just looked it up. Not one mention of Rupperts death. And he has no achieved articles mentioning him except a response to an editorial that Michael wrote condemning Jones's view on Gary Webb's suicide. You should try editorializing on sock puppet profiles managing public opinion as reported in the NYT, New Yorker and LA Times. It would be more constructive given your love of the actual truth. I myself view your tone and insistence on polluting an obituary as slimy
hack89
(39,171 posts)Didn't mean to get you so riled up. You have a good evening.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)they were trained to do and wanted to do.
hack89
(39,171 posts)The are done in dedicated military air space controlled by the military. The controllers that launched the fighters were not involved in any exercise - they simply didn't know where the high jacked planes were.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Powell: Is, is this real world or exercise?
Cooper: No, this is not an exercise, not a test.
AUDIO
FULL TRANSCRIPT
hack89
(39,171 posts)A five second delay to ask a simple question and get a clear answer made all the difference on 911?
yurbud
(39,405 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)They did lots of intercepts of aircraft approaching the US from international airspace but none over land. I have been asking for examples for years and no one has ever been able to give any example that prove it was a routine occurrence.
xiamiam
(4,906 posts)I happen to appreciate Michael Rupperts work and there is nothing you can say to diminish that..RIP Michael Ruppert and thank you for attempting to enlighten us
hack89
(39,171 posts)and no, I don't plan to shut up. Grifters like Rupperts should be condemned at every opportunity.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)find a number of DU'ers who would be "fans"...and I wasn't disappointed.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)You live for this don't you? Ruppert existed long before 911. Only the underbelly of humanity seizes the selfish opportunity to talk bad about a suicide victim to peddle their own beliefs. We get it...your number one mission in life is to convince everyone that the official 911 story is the absolute truth and to people need to stop questioning it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)hit a nerve? Its not about him...its about you and others reaction to it...
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Some people on here HAVE family members who have committed suicide. You don't deserve a response but go swing your ideas somewhere else.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)xiamiam
(4,906 posts)makes my world slimy instead of cognizant..carry on if you must, falling on deaf ears as it appears much of the truth has escaped you
hack89
(39,171 posts)not many of you guys left. Once Bush was out of office, the air went out the Truther balloon pretty quick. The grifters moved on to Birtherism because that is where the money was. What do the rest of you do to keep busy?
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Oh wait, that's you.
hack89
(39,171 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The former LA detective is dead in a tragic way with his family grieving and you are just here to peddle your beliefs. You disgust me and I consider you a grifter actually. A pathetic one. Give it a rest. And only the uneducated would think Birthers and so-called truthers are connected in any way whatsoever. You sound no different than a republican military contractor type threatened by his theories.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I wish I didn't have a job so I could respond just as quick but honestly I would rather just honor this guy for working so hard. My first experience with him was watching the documentary about him attending the 1992 Democratic convention. The Last Party? I believe Robert Downey Jr starred in it. Highly recommended. Is Robert Downey Jr a grifter too because he has views that differ from you or some republicans? Name calling isnt the best way to communicate.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)isn't that what I said initially?
arikara
(5,562 posts)A grave dancing tag team. Get a life.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)You are having another conspiracy theory...
Response to arikara (Reply #116)
Raksha This message was self-deleted by its author.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)You couldn't pay me enough money to believe you yourself are an honest person. I don't care what politics or background you claim...you are acting indignified.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I think the word you meant was "undignified".....
and no it is not...
If Glenn Beck or Alex Jones did this....how would you react by the way?
dead_head
(81 posts)To answer your question, I don't agree with Alex Jones because he's a libertarian but I don't hate him or want him dead.
I got a question for you. Do you believe a 100% the official story on 9-11?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)dead_head
(81 posts)I wanted to say;
If alex jones would shoot himself, I would have a different reaction, cause I don't disagree 100% with him and I don't hate him. I don't agree with libertarians values but I don't think ALL conspiracy theorist are crazy and or wrong.
Can you answer my question please?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)hmmmmmm
dead_head
(81 posts)I don't believe int he official story on 9-11.
I havent listen to ALex Jones since 2009 at least. Alex Jones was different as well back in the day. I think he went crazy. But then again I got this conspiracy theory about alex Jones
dead_head
(81 posts)You did'nt answer my question.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and to support a Conspiracy Theorist...and you don't "100% disagree with" and "you "used" to support Alex Jones...
I don't owe anyone any explanations...
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)You got him there. On HuffPost a guy with thousands of posts got outed for working for a military contractor. He actually had more posts because he got paid for it and spent ALL his time commenting. He even got raised to moderator status and got people banned as commenters became moderators with their new model. I'm not saying you're one of those but implying someone is suspect because they don't spend all their time on message boards is sophomoric.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)this is Democratic Underground....perhaps you missed that factoid. And a guy with only 350 defending him AND the Conspiracy Theorist...
See you left that part out...that those few posts were to DEFEND the honor of a Conspiracy Theorist (not just the low post count).
dead_head
(81 posts)Why does it matter I have not a lot of post?
I don't usually post on message boards.
Why does it matter that I used to listen to Alex Jones?
In fact you guys remind me of ALex Jones. To him EVERYTHING is a conspiracy. To you guys NOTHING is a conspiracy. You both have the same bully like attitude of trying to convince of the superiority of your belief system.
Nice way to not answer the question. No wonder I don't trust people that are paranoid of conspiracy theorist.
arikara
(5,562 posts)I haven't used my ignore button since they changed the format. I'm going to give it a go now, those two aren't worth the time or aggravation.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I am not here for the Conspiracy Theorists!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)nothing suspicious about that at ALL!
Being suspicious of Conspiracy Theorists are not the Paranoid ones....the Conspiracy theorists ARE...WOW no wonder you are so easily led.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And to Dead.Head..."with the politicians throwin stones...while the kids they dance and shake their bones...cuz its all to clear were on our own...in our own." Paradise Waits rocked!!!!!!!
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Their conspiracy theory is that there are no conspiracies. Hahahaha. I guess tell that to the 500,000 people incarcerated just on conspiracy charges. They probably don't believe what's going on in the prison industry or the NSA blackmailing either.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)777man
(374 posts)Maxine Waters Investigation
Quite unexpectedly, on April 30, 1998, I obtained a secret 1982 Memorandum of Understanding between the CIA and the Department of Justice, that allowed drug trafficking by CIA assets, agents, and contractors to go unreported to federal law enforcement agencies. I also received correspondence between then Attorney General William French Smith and the head of the CIA, William Casey, that spelled out their intent to protect drug traffickers on the CIA payroll from being reported to federal law enforcement.
Then on July 17, 1998 the New York Times ran this amazing front page CIA admission: "CIA Says It Used Nicaraguan Rebels Accused of Drug Tie." "The Central Intelligence Agency continued to work with about two dozen Nicaraguan rebels and their supporters during the 1980s despite allegations that they were trafficking in drugs.... The agency's decision to keep those paid agents, or to continue dealing with them in some less formal relationship, was made by top officials at headquarters in Langley, Va.". (emphasis added)
.........The CIA had always vehemently denied any connection to drug traffickers and the massive global drug trade, despite over ten years of documented reports. But in a shocking reversal, the CIA finally admitted that it was CIA policy to keep Contra drug traffickers on the CIA payroll. The Facts speak for themselves. Maxine Waters, Member of Congress, September 19, 1998
The 1982 MOU that exempted the reporting requirement for drug trafficking was no oversight or misstatement. A remarkable series of letters between the Attorney General and the Director of Central Intelligence show how conscious and deliberate this exemption was.
On February 11, 1982 Attorney General William French Smith wrote to Director of Central Intelligence William Casey that, "I have been advised that a question arose regarding the need to add narcotics violations to the list of reportable non-employee crimes ... No formal requirement regarding the reporting of narcotics violations has been included in these procedures."
On March 2, 1982 Casey responded happily, "I am pleased that these procedures, which I believe strike the proper balance between enforcement of the law and protection of intelligence sources and methods..."
Simply stated, the Attorney General consciously exempted reporting requirements for narcotics violations by CIA agents, assets, and contractors. And the Director of Central Intelligence was pleased because intelligence sources and methods involved in narcotics trafficking could be protected from law enforcement. The 1982 MOU agreement clearly violated the Central Intelligence Agency Act of 1949. It also raised the possibility that certain individuals who testified in front of Congressional investigating committees perjured themselves.
....... Many questions remain unanswered. However, one thing is clear - the CIA and the Attorney General successfully engineered legal protection for the drug trafficking activities of any of its agents or assets. Maxine Waters, Member of Congress, September 19, 1998
Several informed sources have told me that an appendix to this Report was removed at the instruction of the Department of Justice at the last minute. This appendix is reported to have information about a CIA officer, not agent or asset, but officer, based in the Los Angeles Station, who was in charge of Contra related activities.According to these sources, this individual was associated with running drugs to South Central Los Angeles,around 1988. Let me repeat that amazing omission. The recently released CIA Report Volume II contained an appendix, which was pulled by the Department of Justice, that reported a CIA officer in the LA Station was hooked into drug running in South Central Los Angeles.
--U.S. Congresswoman Maxine Waters October 13. 1998, speaking on the floor of the US House of Representatives.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/117070568/US-Congresswoman-Maxine-Waters-Investigation-of-CIA-Contras-involvement-in-drug-sales-1996-2000
Exhibit 1
:
U.S. Attorney General William French Smith replies to a still classified letter from DCI William Casey requesting exemption from reporting drug crimes by CIA assets.
Source: cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/contra-story/01.gif
Exhibit 2:
DCI William Casey happily agrees with William French Smith and signs the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) exempting his agency from reporting drug crimes. This agreement covered both the Latin American conflicts and Afghanistan war. It remained in effect until August, 1995 when it was quietly rescinded by Janet Reno after Gary Webb began making inquiries for his series. The 1995 revision of the DoJ-CIA MOU specifically includes narcotics violations among the lists of potential offenses by non-employees that must be reported to DOJ.
Source: cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/contra-story/13.gif
Exhibit 3:
On February 8, 1985, Deputy Chief of DoJ's Office of Intelligence Policy andReview (OIPR) from 1979 to 1991, A. R. Cinquegrana signed off on this letter approving the MOU. Mark M. Richard, Deputy Assistant Attorney General with responsibility for General Litigation and International Law Enforcement in 1982, states that he was unableto explain why narcotics violations were not on the list of reportable crimes except thatthe MOU had "other deficiencies, not just drugs."
Source: cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/cocaine/contra-story/14.gif
HPSCI Investigation closed out 2000
From LOYAL OPPOSITION: In Plain Sight: The CIA Keeps Getting Away With It
By David Corn June 5, 2000
http://www.alternet.org/story/9268/
NYT --CIA Inspector General admits that Agency kept working with drug smugglers-/ Had an agreement to not report smuggling
New Yprk Times 1998
http://www.scribd.com/doc/128181161/NYT-CIA-Inspector-General-admits-that-Agency-kept-working-with-drug-smugglers-Had-an-agreement-to-not-report-smuggling
When CIA Inspector General Fred P. Hitz testified before the House Intelligence Committee in March 1998, he admitted a secret government interagency agreement. `Let me be frank about what we are finding, Hitz said. `There are instances where CIA did not, in an expeditious or consistent fashion, cut off relationships with individuals supporting the Contra program who were alleged to have engaged in drug trafficking activity.
The lawmakers fidgeted uneasily. `Did any of these allegations involved trafficking in the United States? asked Congressman Norman Dicks of Washington. `Yes, Hitz answered. Dicks flushed.
And what, Hitz was asked, had been the CIAs legal responsibility when it learned of this? That issue, Hitz replied haltingly, had `a rather odd history the period of 1982 to 1995 was one in which there was no official requirement to report on allegations of drug trafficking with respect to non-employees of the agency, and they were defined to include agents, assets, non-staff employees. There had been a secret agreement to that effect `hammered out between the CIA and U.S. Attorney General William French Smith in 1982, he testified.
Hitz concluded his testimony by stating This is the grist for more work, if anyone wants to do it.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Because they are no better than the establishment status quo that we want to change.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And I've been campaigning on the ground as a foot soldier for democrats since the 80s and have met numerous Congressman(many democratic ones who say there is a conspiracy and they served on house assassinations committees in the 70s and IranContra committee in 80s) but that shouldn't matter as all points of view and comments are important. I would ignore people like this one but it's good to let them speak too and neuter themselves with such Fallacious arguments. Their agenda is kinda pathetic too.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)wow...you weren't born with a sense of irony were you?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Isn't that what guys like Cheney want? If you disagree with Cheney or think he may be involved in a horrible conspiracy then that means you are Alex Jones? That's a nice way to neutralize all questioning? Hell, Cheney should invest in organizations disparaging Alex Jones just to support
Deflection, obfuscation, misdirection, bamboozlement and hoodwinking. What always is ironic to me is people coming off as exactly what they are criticizing. In this case, some people are so incensed by those questioning the official 911 theory that they sound like they have an agenda always more than any of these Truthers. It's also Orwellian how they manage to make Truth a dirty word even though some of the 911 commissioners called the official explanation a bunch of lies. They spend more time indirectly defending Bush and Cheney then they do trying to prevent future wars or crimes. It's all fine and well to be a coincidence theorist...we are all different with various beliefs...thank god. Doing the grunt work on the message boards for neocons so shamelessly is a put off whether you realize that's what you are doing or not.
dead_head
(81 posts)It seems to me people are being more and more binairy;
Truther vs non truthers
Creationism vs Hardcore atheism
anti-science vs science is alway right.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Its usually a clear marker of someone with an agenda...especially when they get hyperbolic in the extreme. A few of them got exposed and banned on Huffington Post after it was discovered they were paid sock-puppet profiles from military contractors like KBR who were trying to "manage" public opinion. One of them had even risen to moderator status and was purging entire threads that were just indirectly related to questioning 911. There was a giant Chinese skyscraper that burned to the ground and average people were asking why it didn't collapse like WTC when they indicated temperatures had risen to the same degree. The guy purged an entire thread of over 500 comments.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Ill make sure I edit it. Glenn Beck is beyond a disgrace and doesn't belong in the same sentence as Ruppert. Check out the movie The Last Party. Ruppert also doesn't shout his beliefs down your throat. He was a wise, thoughtful, considerate human being who didn't want to hurt anyone. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and postulate that even you may change your view of him given enought time and investigation of the man. Most of what he espoused was unrelated to 911 by the way and was much too dry for any fanatics to sit through.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I notice you don't seem to have included Alex Jones in your analogy....Since you are jumping to conclusions about what I am saying...can I use the same logic and draw a conclusion about you and Alex Jones?
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)You people remind me of the vehemently anti-gay politicians or preachers who then get caught picking up gay prostitutes. Are you a closeted Alex Jones admirerer? There is a lot more out there in the world besides Alex Jones lovers and Alex Jones haters. I just googled Alex Jones and Michael Ruppert. Almost nothing over two decades. No show appearances. Only one major thing where Michael said Alex Jones didn't know what he was talking about concerning Gary Webbs suicide. You need to get your facts straight...especially when you are trying to turn a suicide obituary into a 911 forum.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I must like Alex Jones because....I don't like Alex Jones...
ahahahahahah makes perfect sense
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Same logic. Hahaha
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)I am not the conspiracy theorist...
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Youre conspiracy theory is that no conspiracies exist. I wouldn't lower the dialogue to label you a coincidence theorist. Everyone has an opinion.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)that would be the paranoid theory of a conspiracy theorist...
Not that there are no conspiracies.....(its the theory part that is operative here)
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)The good news is that he/she is just another piranha in the sewer that is the internet. Don't let the trolls affect your mood; what they want more than anything is to spread the evil in their hearts to those around them. They must be denied that power.
wildbilln864
(13,382 posts)yep!
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)all about another poster.....
Another of your "conspiracy theories"?
SolutionisSolidarity
(606 posts)Who are you quoting? Wait a minute, I don't care what assholes say. Nevermind. BTW, my post count is low because I have a life, family, and responsibilities. I'm not paid by the post, so I contribute however much I choose to. Unlike the pros who stalk this message board as if their livelyhood depended on it.
hack89
(39,171 posts)Not complicated.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And have him or her over for dinner.
hack89
(39,171 posts)So I am not surprised with your choice.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)he was a topic of conversation for years.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Over the last century, especially since the 1960s and the rise of the drug culture. And I consider drug overdose a form of suicide. Being very talented and suicidal seem to go together. That's not gravedancing, that is just a fact.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)There was nothing out of the ordinary.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)His evidence for the 9/11 stuff was pretty solid, and the mainstream press is just now growing the balls the touch the Saudi government involvement in 9/11 that Bush classified in the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 report.
He also documented the surveillance state way ahead of the Snowden leaks.
He was a braver man than most of us will probably ever meet in person.
If he is remembered by the mainstream press or in official circles at all, it will be with the kind of smears you're pushing here.
hack89
(39,171 posts)It was built on a foundation of misunderstanding on how NORAD and the American military work.
777man
(374 posts)Mike was right about financial collapse of the economy. He abd Catherine Austin Fitts were talkin doomsday in 1999, 8 years before the housing market and banking sector fell apart. Mike was right!
Peak oil hasn't happened yet due to tarsands and fracking. But he was right about the BIGGIE collapse of the economy!
yurbud
(39,405 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)who they chased out of the news business?
hack89
(39,171 posts)With the Killian documents.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 16, 2014, 10:22 PM - Edit history (1)
very bad things happen. It is not complicated.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)events or evidence or planned to, in particular what about their case for the Iraq War, did you think they just made honest mistakes rather than cooking the books and cherry-picking evidence?
hack89
(39,171 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)In particular, the role of the Saudi government has been covered up and minimized, starting with Bush classifying the Saudi government pages of the report of the Joint Congressional Inquiry into 9/11.
Those kind of things get my attention far more than remote control airplanes or controlled demolition.
Tace
(6,800 posts)zazen
(2,978 posts)Given the descriptions of his behavior and having known several people who are on the spectrum, it seems reasonable.
Before I get flamed, I should say that I don't consider that a condemnation at all. . . but if this was going on, the mood swings can be drastic and the dark times can feel insurmountable.
These behaviors that the 20th/21st century West calls bipolar can push people to discern/create patterns in the world that may be earth-shattering, delusionally paranoid, cliched, and everything in between. So I can appreciate what he was trying to (and did) accomplish and communicate, while also thinking that he was driven by some internal demons. He was many things.
Very sad.
MindMover
(5,016 posts)Tace
(6,800 posts)Ruppert definitely had some emotional issues. Yet, the totality of his contribution to society is major.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Is that a weasel word?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)as they turn everything into...
2banon
(7,321 posts)CONSPIRACY
1: the act of conspiring together
2: a: an agreement among conspirators
b : a group of conspirators
Please point to post in this thread suggesting a conspiracy wrt Ruppert's death
yurbud
(39,405 posts)because they would have no reason to lie to us, and they were never proven to have lied about anything important were they?
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)yurbud
(39,405 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)there...fixed that for ya...
MicaelS
(8,747 posts)I am assuming until the Coroner rules the definite cause of death,
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Hope we will learn more about this from local news source or those who knew him.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)amandabeech
(9,893 posts)May he RIP.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I can't believe this!
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Will be Interesting to hear the official reports.
Raksha
(7,167 posts)olddad56
(5,732 posts)One can disagree all they want with Mr. Ruppert but you cannot disagree with the facts he dealt without looking completely foolish.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)777man
(374 posts)Mike helped to advance this body of work by Gary Webb and others. RIP MIKE
Beacool
(30,250 posts)I'm sorry to hear about his death. May he have found the peace he sought.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)He was an essential part of my awakening, and a living example of what it takes to follow the truth wherever it leads, regardless of the consequences. That responsibility now falls to us:
"To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high."
RIP, MCR
Raksha
(7,167 posts)He was always such a fighter, it's hard to imagine him taking that way out. I admit I haven't been following his recent work and don't know what his situation was at the end. Was he depressed or fighting a serious illness?
Reserving judgment pending further information, but this just doesn't feel right.
GliderGuider
(21,088 posts)Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
hack89
(39,171 posts)they were not the actions and statements of a healthy mind. I have read that he was possibly bipolar.
Raksha
(7,167 posts)His friends would know, and some of them will no doubt be posting their personal memories, as they have started doing already. It's very clear that he was tormented by inner demons, and that he also planned his suicide in such a way that everyone would know it was deliberate. I have read the suicide note his attorney made public on the blog of one of his friends.
hack89
(39,171 posts)you sometimes never appreciate how tormented they were until they are gone.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)laserhaas
(7,805 posts)I've also had my bones to pick with Mike Ruppert.
But this REALLY bums me out.
If the staunch of the staunch simply give in and let the bad guys when
(by shooting one's self so they can say "see - he's nuts"
Then how can one such as I, fighting a corruption war that few really care to hear of
have ANY hope to effect justice?
WTF?
Tace
(6,800 posts)I think that Michael did his best and we need to deal with it. This is a crazy world. Best to you. --Francis
I'll add that I want to be supportive of anyone feeling desperate enough to pull the trigger. Please contact me. We can work something out. --Francis