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MindMover

(5,016 posts)
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:11 PM Apr 2014

Former CIA director: Sen. Feinstein is too ‘emotional’ to investigate torture

Source: Raw Story

Former NSA and CIA Director Michael Hayden on Sunday said that he had not seen the Senate’s report on the CIA’s use of torture, but he was sure that it could not be objective because Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA) was too “emotional.”

In an interview on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace pointed out that the Senate Intelligence Committee report had found that the CIA had misled Congress — both about the number of detainees that were tortured, and about the effectiveness of the so-called enhanced interrogation program.

“Yeah,” Hayden replied dismissively, noting that a Washington Post columnist had reported that “Sen. Feinstein wanted a report so scathing that it would ensure that an un-American, brutal program of detention and interrogation would never again be considered or permitted.”

“That motivation for the report may show deep emotional feeling on the part of the senator,” Hayden opined. “But I don’t think it leads you to an objective report.”

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/06/former-cia-director-sen-feinstein-is-too-emotional-to-investigate-torture/



OMG ... Heads are gonna roll ...
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Former CIA director: Sen. Feinstein is too ‘emotional’ to investigate torture (Original Post) MindMover Apr 2014 OP
oh, those wimmin...we let 'em vote and then they get in office and they're just CTyankee Apr 2014 #1
These are crimes punishable by the international tribunal in the Hague Jesus Malverde Apr 2014 #3
can't do the time, don't do the crime... CTyankee Apr 2014 #10
Character and Gender assassination in one fell swoooooooop! AAO Apr 2014 #25
Appears to be no end to the misogny at Faux. It must be the GOP's newest mantra. freshwest Apr 2014 #44
Those wimmin will get in line once we take away their birth control. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #47
You likely were being sarcastic. I'm male and would be considered very emotional. Anyone that has 24601 Apr 2014 #56
Of course. I agree... CTyankee Apr 2014 #59
That is exactly what I was thinking. Brigid Apr 2014 #64
Perhaps he meant Feinstein is too ‘black’ to investigate torture rock Apr 2014 #2
Uh. point of order - ashling Apr 2014 #29
She's not? Could have fooled me. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #48
"You mean I'm going to stay this color?" Brigid Apr 2014 #65
... Enthusiast Apr 2014 #67
Too "emotional," and thus unable to think rationally. OnyxCollie Apr 2014 #4
uh-oh... jtuck004 Apr 2014 #5
Emotions are what make us human. NT Trillo Apr 2014 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2014 #7
Just out of curiosity, how then do you deal with a president that ordered a drone strike on a 24601 Apr 2014 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2014 #62
Are the "war zones" Iraq (Past) and Afghanistan (present)? Or did the AUMF after 9/11 cover the 24601 Apr 2014 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2014 #70
Where is it clear that a preemptive strike is illegal? Where does it say we have to absorb a 1st 24601 Apr 2014 #71
Go easy on Hayden BeyondGeography Apr 2014 #8
SOMETHING like that, seriously. elleng Apr 2014 #15
His ego more likely! He is Dick Cheney, Jr. Dustlawyer Apr 2014 #26
Hayden, kind of a creep. TwilightGardener Apr 2014 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author guyton Apr 2014 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author The Stranger Apr 2014 #58
torture is so much easier if you are a sociopath noiretextatique Apr 2014 #12
I.e. she's (a) female and (b) not a psychopath? LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #13
That would be it, yup. n/t DeadLetterOffice Apr 2014 #38
Unfortunately the last thing Feinstein is "emotional" tularetom Apr 2014 #14
EXactly lark Apr 2014 #16
I must agree. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #49
+1000 Tom Ripley Apr 2014 #55
Whether Feinstein is emotional about the issue or not aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2014 #17
Feinstein = too old and too Senile warrant46 Apr 2014 #61
You obviously didn'r see her speech on the floor. plantwomyn Apr 2014 #72
I wonder how the "emotional Feinstein" will respond to this crap? Stuart G Apr 2014 #18
Torturing people is a very emotional thing to do. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #19
Republicans have a cruel streak. It's part of their nature, the reason for being Republicans. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #50
People here complain about Sunday news shows, and yet, here we go, closeupready Apr 2014 #20
It is about time TNNurse Apr 2014 #21
Better than a sociopath onecaliberal Apr 2014 #22
welcome to du niyad Apr 2014 #37
Thank you. onecaliberal Apr 2014 #40
Emotional = She'd kick my ass to China AAO Apr 2014 #23
Naked sexism right there. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #24
. rhett o rick Apr 2014 #42
I'd like to channel my inner Rude Pundit on this one... caraher Apr 2014 #27
Well she's a big ol warhawk, so....I think vanlassie Apr 2014 #28
Oh yeah Augiedog Apr 2014 #30
I'd like to see how emotional Hayden gets as he's hauled off in cuffs. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #31
oh. my. gawd. barbtries Apr 2014 #32
Sexist pig Hekate Apr 2014 #33
Ha, perhaps he mixed up Boehner with Feinstein. Live and Learn Apr 2014 #34
I See Sexism Is Alive And Well DallasNE Apr 2014 #35
Dude-- I think that dog whistle isn't gonna attract the kinda dogs you want. n/t TygrBright Apr 2014 #36
mikey, dear, your clueless, desperation-fueled sexism is showing. I would suggest seppuku, niyad Apr 2014 #39
Exactly. Seppuku is for the honorable. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #41
Jeffrey Dahmer, as with Michael Hayden saw nothing wrong with such horrid actions. Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #43
Further proof that this guy is psycho. (Not that I needed it.) RufusTFirefly Apr 2014 #45
Sexist pig!! ... truth2power Apr 2014 #46
You mean she's a woman, Hayden, you misogynist prick sakabatou Apr 2014 #51
Michael Hayden is too crooked to hold a position of trust in a democratic government Jack Rabbit Apr 2014 #52
I would imagine that part of her "emotion" concerned the fact that Frustratedlady Apr 2014 #53
So, he said: freebrew Apr 2014 #54
Why hasn't this neo-Nazi piece of shit been prosecuted yet for lying to Congress? The Stranger Apr 2014 #57
That nasty little tendency of women to apply emotional intelligence to pain being inflicted on toby jo Apr 2014 #63
She was the one who held it all together after Moscone and Milk were killed by Dan White. Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #66
Michael Hayden should check out this footage starting at 00:40 Arugula Latte Apr 2014 #68

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
1. oh, those wimmin...we let 'em vote and then they get in office and they're just
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:14 PM
Apr 2014

emotional messes...

what is this guy's problem...???

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
44. Appears to be no end to the misogny at Faux. It must be the GOP's newest mantra.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:09 PM
Apr 2014

Just had some ahole talking about how an athlete's wife should have had a C-section to not interfere with the game being played and him being off work for the birth. Hitting women, workers and how knows how may targets ar the same time.

24601

(3,962 posts)
56. You likely were being sarcastic. I'm male and would be considered very emotional. Anyone that has
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 06:00 PM
Apr 2014

to investigate this should be. They also should recognize her/his emotion and compensate to ensure objectivity.

What I judge is unfortunate is that the Senate report split on partisan lines, therefore challenging its credibility. The President can solve this by declassifying the CIA records. The fact that he hasn't makes me suspicious.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
64. That is exactly what I was thinking.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:35 AM
Apr 2014

On the contrary, Mr. Hayden, Senator Feinstein is just the right person for this investigation.

rock

(13,218 posts)
2. Perhaps he meant Feinstein is too ‘black’ to investigate torture
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:15 PM
Apr 2014

God is he crass (don't bother to answer, I know the answer).

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
4. Too "emotional," and thus unable to think rationally.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:25 PM
Apr 2014

I was often dismissed with the "passionate" pejorative by my poli-sci professors.

I find it particularly annoying now since everything I talked about turned out to be true.

Response to MindMover (Original post)

24601

(3,962 posts)
60. Just out of curiosity, how then do you deal with a president that ordered a drone strike on a
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 07:36 PM
Apr 2014

US Citizen? In your view, would that merit more or less punishment than a President who authorized water boarding?

Response to 24601 (Reply #60)

24601

(3,962 posts)
69. Are the "war zones" Iraq (Past) and Afghanistan (present)? Or did the AUMF after 9/11 cover the
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 04:41 PM
Apr 2014

globe with the exception of the US? Anwar al-Awlaki was droned in Yemen. I'm not really in favor of impeaching & convicting President Obama and trying him for murder. Are you?

Situational ethics are slippery.

Response to 24601 (Reply #69)

24601

(3,962 posts)
71. Where is it clear that a preemptive strike is illegal? Where does it say we have to absorb a 1st
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:35 PM
Apr 2014

strike, especially in a nuclear world? By that logic if we had actually decoded the Japanese comms in time, routed their carriers and prevented the attack on Pearl Harbor it would have been a crime? I don't agree at all.

Double that for non-state actors.

And it's unconstitutional to try a member of Congress for anything on the floor - it's commonly referred to the speech and debate clause. (Article I, Section 6) The courts have even extended this to their offices.


Response to TwilightGardener (Reply #9)

Response to guyton (Reply #11)

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
12. torture is so much easier if you are a sociopath
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:47 PM
Apr 2014

who doesn't experience normal human emotions. there are too many of them in washington.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
14. Unfortunately the last thing Feinstein is "emotional"
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:54 PM
Apr 2014

Obscenely wealthy, in bed with the Pentagon, unconcerned with the privacy rights of Americans, all of that. But emotional is an adjective I would never use to describe her.

lark

(23,138 posts)
16. EXactly
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:57 PM
Apr 2014

He's just trying to use the familiar catchphrases used to denigrate women. I didn't see the show but I bet he had a sick little smile going when he said that.

Asshole and totally incorrect besides.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
17. Whether Feinstein is emotional about the issue or not
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 05:59 PM
Apr 2014

if it's an honest report regarding the facts of torture, adults who read it can decide for themselves if it's un-American or brutal. Whether the committee produces a report that reads like an uncaring automaton prepared it or someone with a heart, it's the facts that count. But maybe this guy doesn't want honesty or facts.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
61. Feinstein = too old and too Senile
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:11 PM
Apr 2014

These is no Fire left in that empty suit

When her term is up she will be 87

She is going for the record of Strom Thurmond ( 100 years Old )

plantwomyn

(876 posts)
72. You obviously didn'r see her speech on the floor.
Wed Apr 9, 2014, 12:57 AM
Apr 2014

The fact is that Feinstein has been on the Intelligence Committee throughout all of the torture and NSA violations. In short she has known all along and couldn't say a word about it. If she was "emotional" she would have called them out in 2002 or 2003. I know quite a few octogenarians that I would put against just about any young'un in a debate. I wouldn't give the vast majority of the Senators in office today a chance against her.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
18. I wonder how the "emotional Feinstein" will respond to this crap?
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:01 PM
Apr 2014

These assholes, like Cheney and Hayden...never stop, never will

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
19. Torturing people is a very emotional thing to do.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:03 PM
Apr 2014

Hayden sounds like a cold-hearted sadist. Jeffrey Dahmer, anyone?

Reading stories of people undergoing torture, suffering from torture would make me very emotional too. It would make a normal person with a normal amount of empathy emotional.

Hayden needs to look at himself.

On the other hand, Feinstein could find better ways to express herself. Some of the other members of the committee have.

Also, from an interview I saw that featured Cheney, it sounds like he is going to rely on an advice of counsel defense if indicted or even challenged.

But he may have to prove that he relied on the advice of counsel in good faith. What a travesty of justice.



 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
20. People here complain about Sunday news shows, and yet, here we go,
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:05 PM
Apr 2014

People are posting here about them, giving them free publicity.

TNNurse

(6,929 posts)
21. It is about time
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:08 PM
Apr 2014

That someone in the Senate and the House showed some real human emotion about the horrible things that are going on.

The heartless bastards have been running things for too long.

vanlassie

(5,681 posts)
28. Well she's a big ol warhawk, so....I think
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:28 PM
Apr 2014

he confused her being fucking pissed off with being emotional.

Augiedog

(2,548 posts)
30. Oh yeah
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:40 PM
Apr 2014

Said the sociopath to to himself....cause who else is listening...oh that's right,...he is talking to the hand.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
34. Ha, perhaps he mixed up Boehner with Feinstein.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:16 PM
Apr 2014

Then again, Boehner only gets emotional at trivial issues. I am sure torture of others doesn't bother him a bit.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
35. I See Sexism Is Alive And Well
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:44 PM
Apr 2014

I always though Hayden had an attitude problem and this is just icing on that cake.

niyad

(113,505 posts)
39. mikey, dear, your clueless, desperation-fueled sexism is showing. I would suggest seppuku,
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 08:00 PM
Apr 2014

but that would require possession of something you do not have.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
43. Jeffrey Dahmer, as with Michael Hayden saw nothing wrong with such horrid actions.
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 08:57 PM
Apr 2014

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RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
45. Further proof that this guy is psycho. (Not that I needed it.)
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:11 PM
Apr 2014

I'm still haunted by the way that he steadfastly (and repeatedly) refused to admit that the Fourth Amendment contains the phrase "probable cause" and even went so far as to brag about the NSA's knowledge of the Constitution. Talk about chutzpah.

This latest incident just adds fuel to the fire.

I never thought I'd be in a position where I viewed Feinstein as the Good Guy.

But when you compare her to a sociopath, she seems strangely sympathetic.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
52. Michael Hayden is too crooked to hold a position of trust in a democratic government
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:15 PM
Apr 2014

So instead he held a position of trust in Bush Junta.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
53. I would imagine that part of her "emotion" concerned the fact that
Sun Apr 6, 2014, 10:42 PM
Apr 2014

Congress was lied to. Isn't that a crime?

This is going to stir up a hornet's nest before it's all over. Is the Hague booked up?

freebrew

(1,917 posts)
54. So, he said:
Mon Apr 7, 2014, 02:52 PM
Apr 2014

“Sen. Feinstein wanted a report so scathing that it would ensure that an un-American, brutal program of detention and interrogation would never again be considered or permitted.”

He's advocating un-American values? No wonder he's on Fucked news...fits right in(.)

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
63. That nasty little tendency of women to apply emotional intelligence to pain being inflicted on
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:17 AM
Apr 2014

others.

Whereas men apply their emotional intelligence to pain being inflicted upon themselves - war, rape,
murder, abuse of all types.

Hayden : torture itself is hardcore male emotion run amuck.

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
66. She was the one who held it all together after Moscone and Milk were killed by Dan White.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 11:45 AM
Apr 2014

It was a gruesome scene in SF City Hall, but she was the one who dealt with it with strength. I'm no DiFi fan now, in terms of most of her politics/policies, but "emotional" is a "slur" that doesn't fit her.

Plus this guy is a sexist asshole, so there's that.

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