Russia Supporters Storm Ukraine Government Buildings
Source: Huffington Post
KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Crowds of pro-Russian demonstrators stormed government buildings Sunday in several major cities in eastern Ukraine, where secessionist sentiment has sparked frequent protests since Ukraine's Russia-friendly president was ousted in February.
In Donetsk, 80 kilometers (50 miles) west of the Russian border, a large group of people, including many in masks carrying sticks and stones, surged into the provincial government building and smashed windows.
A gathering of several hundred, many of them waving Russian flags, then listened to speeches delivered from a balcony emblazoned with a banner reading "Donetsk Republic." Activists in the building said they want to see a referendum for the Donetsk province to join Russia.
An AP photographer reported seeing people bringing car tires to be used as barricades against any presumed attempt by authorities to retake the building.
Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/06/russia-ukraine_n_5101159.html
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dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)(Reuters) - Ukraine's acting president, Oleksander Turchinov, has cancelled a trip to Lithuania scheduled for Monday to deal with protests in eastern Ukraine, where pro-Russian protesters seized a regional government building and state security offices, the parliamentary press service said on Sunday.
The statement said Turchinov was holding an emergency meeting with the heads of security services.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/06/us-ukraine-crisis-president-idUSBREA350F320140406
I've already seen the footage here on UK tv news. The large group of people also included many who were visibly pensioners.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Russia to go in and protect the people who stormed the government buildings.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)I didn't see this coming as Ukraine was independent for years and the people there, I presume (not a wise thing to do, really) were getting along until recently.
I dismissed the reports of Russians massing at the eastern border as a response to refugees, or fears of some persons in Ukraine crossing the border to commit terrorist acts against Russia. I didn't see a plan to invade.
This is a nasty little civil war they're working in Ukraine. And by 'they' I mean the people of Ukraine itself, not any outside countries, not even Russia. Seems like all parties involved have plenty to do without invading each other, but likely I would have been shocked if I was alive then at what happened prior to WW2.
No wonder so many see the history repeating itself, even though the last half century and more has seemingly been one of relative peace and prosperity in Europe. One would think alliances formed during that period would restrain extremism.
Do you think that Russian nationals gave them the kind of weapons as posted below by okaaawhatever, or were they armed with just the sticks and stones in the videos you saw?
Either way, doesn't sound like a peaceful protest to demand civil rights to me.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)
go west young man
(4,856 posts)I know many at DU don't like RT but it is Russia's perspective and if anything gives people on this side of the pond an understanding of who their "current bogeyman" is. Lots of video included.http://rt.com/news/ukraine-donetsk-protest-russia-733/
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)to engage in "reporting" on Ukraine: http://rt.com/op-edge/lost-airliner-malaysia-nato-china-365/
This is the propaganda mouthpiece of a far-right, near-fascist government that is, to put it gently, completely bonkers. They've gone off the edge of the map.
I find it incomprehensible that anyone takes their side in anything, but I find it even more incomprehensible that anyone would believe anything that comes out of their "news" reporting.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)as they all put out similar news...just like our media. Let's see there's RIA Novost, Vesti, Russia one and two, Russia Today, NTV, Russiya and the First Channel. You let us know which you prefer and which highlights Russian views that are closer to your own. The part you seem to miss is that "Their" perspective is just that...it's "their" perspective. Same as Faux news is the perspective of a demographic as is MSNBC.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)...would have touched that idiotic glurge about how the US and NATO ran a cyberattack to take down MH370. But you know, it fits with RT because if it's anti-US, they'll publish it.
The other part you miss is that all of the independent sources of news have been shut down in Russia. They're either state-owned or run by oligarchs close to Putin. So constantly citing them as sources for news is flat dishonest. It's not news.
Finally, Putin is backed now by far right Russian supremacists who make no secret of it. I put up exactly how these wonderful people think. Putin maintains just enough distance to keep a sort of plausible deniability about himself, even as he panders to them. Reminds me very much of what Reagan did with white supremacists here. I see no reason not to despise him in the same way.
Or did you back Reagan invading Grenada? Didn't think so.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)I actually believe RT has some propaganda as does our "news" sources. What I am pointing out is that it is still "their" perspective.
Igel
(35,337 posts)You can find that not everybody in Russia agrees with Putin.
But it's rather like reading Izvestiya and Pravda. It's not exactly the same, because absolute adherence to every utterance of the voice of the party as the voice of God doesn't hold--there are things that the government doesn't much care about. Hence it's "like".
What is true, though, is that RT et al. give you the official perspective. Cut through the nonsense paraded as facts. Many Russians won't be able to distinguish fact from falsity, many will, but again, it only matters because it gins up support. Think "babies being thrown out of incubators" where all the major newspapers report on it and if you deny it you're shut down for a day or two. In the end, low-information and I-wanna-believe and uber-nationalists will buy into it.
Most in the West have an easier time, since we have a variety of perspectives. We can also easily tune in to Ukrainian sources right and left. But for the Russian perspective, only Putin's matters. When the facts go off the rails it's not an accident, by and large--and if it is, the direction still matters because it's what's approved.
When there are demonstrations, real or exaggerated, when there are mass protests of 3000 from people bussed in from 30 villages and towns, etc., etc., and there are official gushes of angst that pro-Russian protesters are threatening Russians with instability, it's not just incidental reporting. It's a threat. And should be read thus: "There are problems for the real humans in the area. Make them go away, appease the real people, or we'll make the problems go away by making you go away."
BTW, most Russians value stability over democracy. They want order instead of freedom. This is a recurring ordering of values in a number of countries. Egypt was the same. Democracy is to produce only prosperity; it has little to do with actual liberty to act because, frankly, social trust is such that corruption wins out. If you don't trust others, you assume they're out to get you and you should get them first. In such a climate you cannot have democracy.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Thanks for your insight. Much of it I agree with.
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)This is like saying I should get Pinochet's perspective on the overthrow of Allende. Why? Why would I care?
To be blunt: there is no difference whatsoever between Right Sector/Svoboda and Putin's regime. Two supremacist sides, the only difference between them being who they want to end up on top.
So, one, I don't really care which side wins in the intra-Ukraine conflict, and two, the only thing that does matter, or should to any non-Ukrainian and non-Russian, is that there be no war over eastern Ukraine. That means the only thing to be concerned about in Donetsk is that it gives Russia a perfect excuse to go in and start one.
I don't need RT or RIA Novosti to make that blindingly obvious observation, and I think we're all quite up to speed on Putin's and Lavrov's perspective without having to go to their house organs to get it. The only reason to pimp their house organs or give a flying fart re their perspective is if you're taking their side.
MattSh
(3,714 posts)There's an enormous difference between Right Sector/Svoboda and the Russian government. Only someone totally ignorant about this part of the world would even dare to compare them.
And here's more news for you. Many of the sources you get news from? It's. Not. News. It's infotainment at best.
And earlier you said:
Most in the West have an easier time, since we have a variety of perspectives. We can also easily tune in to Ukrainian sources right and left. But for the Russian perspective, only Putin's matters. When the facts go off the rails it's not an accident, by and large--and if it is, the direction still matters because it's what's approved.
Yes, we can tune into to Ukrainian sources right and left. How? We go to the internet. Those in Russia can and to see Russian sources right and left. How? They go to the internet too.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)I couldn't find it on todays RT headline news story page. Here's the stories they are currently covering. http://rt.com/news/line/2014-04-06/#58617 Of note is one that addresses immigration rights in the US. Not a mention of the same story from our media. Here's a video link they posted.
They also cover the shooting of a two year old US child by her 11 year old sibling. Once again, not a peep in the US MSM.dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Someone downthread has called them 'Putin's thugs.'
With the Crimean take over by people with weapons but not wearing uniforms with national ensignas, I couldn't tell who was doing what until it was all over with. In fact, I'm still not sure that the locals in Crimea didn't want to secede.
I still think Ukrainians could work this out peacefully, not destroy the place and not be inviting foreign forces unless they are being provoked off camera and we don't see it. If they are the majority in Donetska (sp) they have been in charge of things all along, so what's the beef?
They have managed to live together for so long, what's so different now?
I know there is economic and social unhappiness, which is going on all over the planet. As populations increase, living space and resources are decreasing. It's just I feel all we get from media are the sensational things, not a good view of their day to day reality.
Of course the siege in Kiev was impossible to ignore, it was clearly civil war type activities there. One side blamed 'the west and USA' for Kiev, now this looks like the same thing, but from the side that supports Russia against 'the west and USA.' It's ironic to be seeing this, two sides of the same coin.
I freely confess a sense of denial about Putin turning into Hitler and Russia trying to take over the world, or bring back the USSR with more central control. Since he can't do it, thus illogical.
Putin may be trying to get Russians to feel united, in some ways that are horrible and other ways that seem benign. I don't think he's crazy, but he may be a bit of a fanatic as the government likely didn't hire just any old person to be KGB.
I understand how a nation that has been handed over to gangsters and oligarchs with income inequality rising, might try to return to the past that seemed better. It is better to answer to one guiding idea and entity, or a bunch of fly by night firms that rip you off and then change names or move to escape responsibility?
I'm imagining that is part of what the Russians want to end and they want some stability. They want to feel proud of their country and for things to work. There is a freedom for many being inside the corral of a nation, with all working together.
Seeing the past through rose colored lenses or as totally bad is not reality. It's relative to individuals how these things were experienced.
Oh, well, I'll stop rambling. As I've said before, my take on these events don't match that of some others. My mind is by no means made up on this, and I don't feel I have the right to tell people in other nations how to live.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)It's pretty simple really...it's that and territory that are at the base of their angst. They like Russia and are of Russian descent.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)What happened in Kiev was not a representative change. It would be like the tea party taking power through force. It would not be accepted by half the country.
The media there is mostly under control, so keep that in mind that you are not getting the full story either.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)anything I see on this crisis over there, since I don't know the language. But I do know people from Russia and Ukraine, specifically. Not descendents, they live there now or came to the USA and become citizens. All are excellent people.
IMO, the way to handle all of this was with elections, and nothing else. I don't care for violence or acting intimidatiing employed by either side in these protests. I've tried to look at this from every conceivable angle, and am not sure I buy that this was from outside forces, but then, we can't imagine this realistically.
We haven't been invaded over centuries, have not lived through what any of these countries in that area have lived through. And the vast majority of us do not speak the language, we are only getting what is being said by English speakers.
The country should not break up, but have mixed feelings about Crimea from looking at its history. I am glad I'm not there, I believe a lot of people who didn't want any trouble are going to suffer for this... whatever.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)elsewhere. It really is a trap, if riot police get involved--that Russian military buildup across the border isn't for nothing.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)as an excuse to invade. The police are having some success, from msn news:
On Saturday, Ukraine's security service said it had detained a 15-strong armed gang planning to seize power in Luhansk province.
The Security Service of Ukraine said it seized 300 machine guns, an antitank grenade launcher, a large number of grenades, five handguns and firebombs.
It said the group intended to mount a grab for power. No names or additional details were provided.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)
Who supplied all of that - Russians, former Ukrainian military, local militias or foreign mercenaries?
And who supplied similar weapons to the ones now in power in Kiev - since not everyone there was from Ukraine, either?
And aren't the possession of such weapons illegal in the nation of Ukraine, since the protestors resorted to home made firebombs, molotov cocktails, and small arms?
What a mess. Shit... Fan.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)Presumably, there would have been such items as machine guns and anti-tank weapons. However, the Lviv protestors were very pro-Maidan. It's hard to imagine that armaments from Lviv ended up in Donetsk.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Damn, I hope they don't start slaughtering each other with these weapons. This doesn't sound as if it was planned as a peaceful civil rights protest. They might want to secede, and don't intend to work things out with the government there. The people in Kiev should accommodate their needs as part of the nation.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)Yatsenyuk (sp) will be out, and someone new will be in. Yanukovich's party, the Party of Regions, is running a candidate from Kharkiv, who would probably be more friendly toward Russia. To my mind, anything other than election rallies are premature.
What I really don't want to see is Russia invading, then holding elections under the barrels of guns.
Nonetheless, it is hard to tell what Putin will do. As Angela Merkel said, he's in his own reality. I think that his reality is rooted somewhere in the 18th century where might makes right. Last year he managed to prevent Armenia from signing a trade deal with the EU. This year, Moldova and Georgia are due to sign a similar deal, but look what is happening. There is a lot of activity in the break-away Transdneister region of Moldova, and, according to one piece I've read, Putin has put some very new, very destructive weapons in South Ossetia, the part of Georgia occupied by Russia. This is all from a man who has said that the greatest geopolitical disaster of the 20th century was the breakup of the Soviet Union.
I think that we are living in interesting times.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)How can Ukraine's puppet government complain about this since they (the CIA backed fascists and neonazis) seized the government the same way.
I hope they lose East Ukraine as well and be the perpetual liability for EU, IMF and US taxpayers.
It is time to retire the CIA for getting us into another fine mess for Pax Americana and PNAC.
levp
(188 posts)so this isn't a response to you as much as a note to others.
Euromaidan (all parts of it, left and right) never advocated breakup of Ukraine or for foreign control of any part of Ukraine. Exactly the opposite, in fact.
That's the big difference between Euromaidan activists and these separatist groups.
On my part, I hope the Crimea becomes the perpetual liability for Russian taxpayers.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)levp
(188 posts)Ukrainian Jews Josef Shiling, Alexander Scherbanyuk and Evgeniy Kotlyar?
"The Jewish Division of Ukraine’s Heaven’s Hundred"
"The cynical government, which had in fact already lost the war with its own people, murdered these people, and had neither reason nor mercy not to. The national or religious heritage of those who were killed is, of course, not important in truth. Just as their age, gender, political views aren’t important. Everything is unimportant, except the fact that they are Ukrainians and that they are heroes of Ukraine, who died in its honor while fighting against evil and injustice. But the propaganda makers in Kremlin’s pay, as well as those who listen to them and who are too rooted in their stereotypes to open their eyes and see the truth for themselves, are still continuing their ritual howling about “anti-Semitic Bandera followers taking power - the descendants of those who killed the Jews at Babiy Yar!”
Please, show them this text and make them read it.
Glory to the heroes."
Benton D Struckcheon
(2,347 posts)Care to explain how Dugin's Eurasian movement (note the similarity between that name and Putin's Eurasian Economic Union) is different from Svoboda?
I'm also dying to hear how it's mere coincidence this happens over a weekend, same as the invasion did. There's a reason for this.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)There is video below showing this has been happening since the coup.
Bad Thoughts
(2,529 posts)One way Maidan was not a coup.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)they had stormed all govt buildings including the parliament.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)the protesters would storm the buildings and tear everything up, but they didn't. They went in. Some hung flags, but they didn't tear everything up. Yanukovych knew what he was doing when he removed the guards. I don't know if that is one of the reasons Putin is pissed at him.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)If you like I'd be happy to find them for you. There's these things called Google and You Tube.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)"she was wearing a miniskirt so she deserved to be raped."
MattSh
(3,714 posts)"I hope the Florida becomes the perpetual liability for American taxpayers." It won't happen. Crimea is deep in the soul of the Russian psyche. Russia has the Black Sea fleet there. The fleet has been there since 1763. Those with means to travel will continue to go to places like Turkey and the Mediterranean. Those of lesser means will flock to Crimea and Yalta.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)This (Eastern) is indeed the region furthest in philosophy from the current government, but there is a LOT of the population that does not identify with the new government; though they may agree with European alignment, they are not all like the current government, which is a lot like a Ukrainian version of our Tea Party.
They do represent a good swath of the west, but they are hard to the right. Do folks really think there are no liberals or moderates in the West side of Ukraine? Think about how the moderate part of the country would really feel about what happened and is happening there? A lot of the country is very concerned and not just about what is happening in the East.
While people there wanted change, they sure did not want the type they got. Most people there want stability far more than a Trade alignment don't you think?
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)RT for a few minutes
uhnope
(6,419 posts)it's gay-bashing, news-censoring, democracy-killing Putin who wants to take over this part of the world and recreate the Soviet empire (this time not Communist but Putinist).
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)That liability may be taken out of our military budget in the Pacific.
You know, the Pacific. The area where the US ends up fighting China to the cheers of another large Asian mainland country that probably will be sitting on its hands while its long time enemy gets shot at by the US.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)go west young man
(4,856 posts)Mostly middle aged to older...unlike the Kiev Maidan groups who were younger soccer hooligan types. Video from Kharkov with at least 7,000 people in attendance, maybe more.
The next video is Dontesk yesterday. Also around 7,000 people.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)what they were doing. I don't believe for a second they weren't hired by pro-Russia interests.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Sure much of the country wanted an end to corruption. But just like here in the US, most people fear instability.
If you can try to understand. Imagine our government was replaced by people with a bent toward the right. Who came into power along side a very vocal tea party as well as citizen militias. They already have then alienated progressives.
The militias, feeling their power, try to take the streets, and another group goes into ABC, NBC, CNN, television studios and threatens staff there and puts the media under control.
Then one of the first things they do is cut Social Security disbursements and cut the wages of government employees. Next they work with the IMF and make loans that will add significantly to our debt in exchange for Austerity including a doubling of our utility rates.
How would our population react even if there were some policies they may agree with? Common sense.
It does not take further foreign intervention for chaos to ensue. Think it through please... Be fair to the people of Ukraine who have to live through this,
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Bought and paid for by the likes of the KKKoch Creeps...or Putin...to stir the pot and make it look likes just done by the "little" people?
It's all planned and the stupid lemmings fall right into the trap.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)This is the same region on March 1st.
Putin must have really got them motivated in order to be so organized by him so soon. On the other hand I don't suppose that they are actually all pissed that a group of right wing hooligans overthrew the government and destroyed their livelihoods. nah that would never be the case. It's gotta be Putin. Gotta be.uhnope
(6,419 posts)Ever? It's a total lie that "right wing hooligans" overthrew the gov't in Ukraine. Did you know that the Jewish organizations in Ukraine support the new government? That doesn't sound like a right wing hooligan gov't to me.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/.premium-1.577735
And that those Ukrainian Jewish leaders said claims like yours (and Putin's) are "ridiculous."
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/putins-anti-semitic-claims-ridiculous-ukraine-jewish-leader-n52866
You have a right to live your life in a fantasy world, propped up with obvious and rather idiotic falsehoods, where Putin is benevolent. But do you have to keep pushing that on the rest of us?
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Maybe you could attempt to have me banned like you attempted with others last week. Your post then reminded me of Lord of The Flies.
As far as Jews in Ukraine go there are plenty of them with a wide swath of views. I can understand why some of them might have wanted the previous government gone. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ukraine Jewish people around the world land on both sides of many issues. It doesn't surprise me that some may have backed the wrong guys for other means.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)In their misguided support of Putin, some folks have become the equivalent of a Freeper or wingnut who believe they can define what are facts as much as he defines what is his opinion.
Have any opinion you want, like climate change is a hoax, Obama is a socialist nazi, or Putin is a benevolent democracy-loving human rights advocate. But don't try to claim those deranged opinions are based on reality.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)to hopefully make your day a brighter one. This may surprise you but Russia people are human beings just like you and I. 
http://blog.petflow.com/ive-never-seen-anything-so-beautiful-this-video-from-russia-made-the-whole-world-cry-a-must-watch/
uhnope
(6,419 posts)It shows that you can't even differentiate the between the Russia people in general and a Russian dictator.
You really think that denouncing Putin, fighting against a gay-bashing, democracy-crushing dictator is the same as denouncing and fighting against some random Russian man somewhere who's helping a little old lady across the street. You honestly think that I consider Russians as less than human beings because I oppose Putin's autocratic reign and his stomping of human rights. Incredible.
Sorry, you must be as deluded as a Glenn Beck fan or Limbaugh dittohead who thinks Obama is a secret Muslim who hates America.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)Two posts above you imply wingnutter of various types to me and then in this post your implying I'm the one characterizing you. Then to finish it out... you now have me as a ditto head. A little research on my past history at DU wouldn't hurt you before you commence with tying me in with those groups. My primary aim is being anti-war (which is what DU used to represent). Helping to diffuse your red scare antics and constant denigration of Russia is what I perceive as a benevelont cause in the larger scheme of things. (And that includes gay rights, which I fully believe in). I disagree with your approach to categorize everything Russia a certain way. I also believe you are probably just lazy and would rather look "over there" than here where you might actually be able to efecct change. Russia's little law gives you an excuse to be upset, while also giving you the benefit of doing nothing here in the good ole USA.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)I'm not saying you're a RW nut, I'm saying your logic in defending Putin is the same logic as a RW nut who thinks climate change is a hoax. Just like a Christian zealot has a lot in common, in terms of temperament or personality, with a zealot of any other religion.
You think of yourself as progressive because you "fully believe in" gay rights, and then you support Putin who is inseparable from his campaign against gays (a campaign you dismiss as a "little law." Shame on you.) Your industrial-strength blinders make you spew lies like:
"your red scare antics and constant denigration of Russia"
Never once have I denigrated Russia. No, I have very consistently opposed the dictator Putin. Again, you actually think that equates with denigrating Russia.
More importantly, you think supporting the Russia people means you have to support Putin. That is just so nuts (that's the nicest word for it). As I tried to make you understand before, it's like someone who admires the American people thinking they must therefore support Bush and his invasion of Iraq. You can't see the simple truth to that, so why should I beat my head against the brick wall density of yours.
Igel
(35,337 posts)There was a protest. A group of people leading the chants and cheers. And along the side of the square with the protest a long column of tour buses. In the west, it was a protest of several thousand people "in Donetsk." Next news iteration they were "from Donetsk." But the tour buses said otherwise. Bussed in. A lot were local, but the large cities are really mixed ethnically these days. Some of the villages and smaller towns are more Russian or more Ukrainian.
Last week's protest--I forget if it was in Luhansk or Donetsk--ended on schedule with a march to the train station where it broke up. A lot of people then climbed on board trains to go home.
The difference was in timing: One was night time, when the trains had stopped running. The other was early afternoon, before the last train to the 'burbs. (In central Europe most suburbs are overgrown villages.)
So, yeah, there was a protest of 3k people in Donetsk. But it was organized. Not hard. Cossacks can organize. Political parties can organize. And for 3k out of a population of a few million, it's really not hard. Esp. when the news has drummed up how much they're hated, how there are fascists that want to hurt Russians and, well, deprive them of their superior culture and legacy. You'll have trouble getting over what we'd call "racism." Think about telling a bunch of Latino-hating whites in Texas that the official language is going to be Spanish, with the threats that they'd all have to speak Spanish on the streets and you get the picture.
go west young man
(4,856 posts)I appreciate your insight. It sure beats the "Putin- bad gay Russia red scare" mindset that permeates many posts here lately. As you wrote above it's the regular people who just want stability that are the victims, whether pro west or Pro Russia.
newthinking
(3,982 posts)Jeez, people, make up your own history why don't we. The group that came to power was paid by an oligarch. They are hard core "flag waving" nationalists, like our tea party, the vice pres. is an Evangelical. My god. Please stop watching so much tv.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)They might as well put up the banner that says "Welcome mother father Russia" now.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)"Donetsk People's Republic asks Vladimir Putin to introduce peacekeepers"
http://russian.rt.com/article/26756
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Activists declare Donetsk republic after capturing regional administration in Eastern Ukraine http://rt.com/news/donetsk-republic-protestukraine-841/
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)If only the government listened to the mob, then it would be the people's will or something like that.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Radical activists representing nationalist Right Sector group are attempting to storm Kiev’s Supreme Court building. They have blocked the entrances into the building and surrounded its perimeter.
Around 100 activists prevented Supreme Court employees from entering the building through the back door.
Near the building, a stage has been set up with audio equipment. Car tires have been brought to the building, but haven’t yet been set on fire.
http://rt.com/news/right-sector-supreme%20court-825/
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Seal of approval from the west. If anyone deserves a break it's countries living under the boot of monarchs.
Mob casting ballots
