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Botany

(70,594 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:42 PM Mar 2014

US mudslide death toll expected to soar as survivors sought

Source: Yahoo News

DARRINGTON, Washington (Reuters) - Rescuers searching for 90 people still missing five days after a massive Washington state mudslide said they expect the death toll to climb sharply soon, even as they clung to hope on Thursday of finding a miracle survivor.

At least 25 people are known to have died when a rain-soaked hillside collapsed without warning on Saturday, unleashing a wall of mud that engulfed dozens of homes in a river valley near the rural town of Oso, 55 miles northeast of Seattle.

Only the first 16 victims recovered and examined by coroners have so far been officially counted as dead, although local fire district chief Travis Hots said that figure would soon spike upwards. Nine more bodies that have since been found have yet to be added to the official toll.

"In the next 24 to 48 hours, as the medical examiner's office catches up with the difficult work that they have to do, you're going to see these numbers increase substantially," he said.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/washington-mudslide-yields-more-bodies-not-may-found-010109207--finance.html



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US mudslide death toll expected to soar as survivors sought (Original Post) Botany Mar 2014 OP
Be careful or you'll upset CNN Trust Buster Mar 2014 #1
Move along then. Nothing to see here. pscot Mar 2014 #2
The culprit is very likely corporate logging! Peace Patriot Mar 2014 #3
Yep, those voting tabulators are everywhere. juajen Mar 2014 #4
Righteous rant! greatlaurel Mar 2014 #5
logging corps keep going higher & steeper to rape the forests wordpix Mar 2014 #8
A couple days after the slide I was on google maps looking at the topology Evasporque Mar 2014 #6
Whoever allowed ones to be built here is criminally responsible adigal Mar 2014 #7
 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
1. Be careful or you'll upset CNN
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 08:09 PM
Mar 2014

CNN cares about only one story over the past two weeks and it's not the one out of the State of Washington. Pretty pathetic actually.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
3. The culprit is very likely corporate logging!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:53 PM
Mar 2014
Comment by reader Tano Kram: I know this area, this slope, and the range above it. It has all been clearcut at different points. To act like this is a slide-prone are is ludicrous. THe entire state wherever there is glacial till, is a slide-prone area, but what keeps it together is trees. The roundtop mountain top above this area has been clearcut bald. Areas directly to the west and above where this land gave way were clearcut within the last 20 years. The area along the river, which slid before was bare before 2003? Why is that? Because it was probably clearcut after years of selective cutting by loggers who used to not clearcut because they knew it destroyed the viability of the area.

Logging criminals are out of control in the USA, and for Nat Geo to not call it as it is, is a sure sign that they were bought out by moneyed interests and not what they used to be, a source of truth.


http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140324-mudslides-natural-disasters-geology-science/


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The comment is about a bullshit National Geographic article on the Washington mudslide that doesn't mention the heavy, repeated, industrial logging in the area!!

I live in timber country and tried for ten years to stop this kind of logging in my area--clear-cutting, stripping large areas of the trees whose root systems hold the soil on the mountain. And the first thing I thought of, when this horror hit in Washington, was the notorious industrial clear-cutting in Washington. You can see it in satellite photos--the patchwork of clear-cuts around Oso and their river.

National Geographic describes Oso as "a former fishing village." I have little doubt that it's a "former" fishing village because the horrible industrial timber corporations logged right down to the streamside, depriving fish of overhang shade and clear water.

It takes hundreds of years to restore conditions of good, tall, thick forest canopy, and good fish and wildlife habitat, after these forests are devastated by the massive greed of the corporate timber barons. It takes hundreds and in some cases thousands of years for such forests to grow in the first place. What's growing there now, after clear-cutting of large areas, are baby trees--which don't do well without big tree forest cover, and also create crap lumber, good only for paper pulp or maybe fence posts, and are cut down again, as soon as they are viable as crap lumber--AND invasive plant species or pioneer plant species (as the Earth tries to cover itself with whatever is at hand and grows quickly). The forest never will be the same--and many of its animal/fish species are gone forever.

It's just disgusting what we have allowed corporations to do--not just in Washington but also in northern California and Oregon, and other western states, and what the bastards are doing in Canada as well.

Killing the Earth! When they are not killing the people!

Yeah, some of the people become loggers for these corporate bastards. I've seen that, too. And they even become apologists for the corporate bastards--let themselves be propagandized and manipulated, and then used up and thrown away. I've seen their unions busted, their pay cut, the prevalence of injury and even death, the use of imported scab labor, and the utter devastation of logging and fishing communities, as these corporate masters rape the area and move on, leaving behind mountains that fall down on villages, ruined fisheries and all the rest, and economic depression. But I don't blame the poor. I wish they were more conscious and more organized, but I know they don't have a lot of choices. The real culprits are our corporate rulers and their lapdog, bought and paid for politicians.

National Geographic of also disgusting at times, as they are on this matter--echoing the lapdog nature of corporate media. We need investigative journalists to suss out who the bastards were who destroyed these forests around Oso, and the whole sorry tale of how they were not regulated. If it's like California, they've got regulations on paper that are not enforced. The regs look good but they are shit. Same with the federal regs. NOTHING stops the rich from doing what they damn please. I've seen it. I've been in court on it. That is the truth.

I gave up my environmental activism because I found out about Diebold and ES&S (our rigged elections). We have got to fix that first, if we ever want to have good government again. 'TRADE SECRET' vote counting! Jeez! How can we be so stupid! And now ES&S, which bought out Diebold, has a monopoly on it. One, private, far rightwing-connected corporation is 'counting' all our votes with 'TRADE SECRET' code--code that we, the public, are forbidden to review--and virtually no audit controls. Think about it.

juajen

(8,515 posts)
4. Yep, those voting tabulators are everywhere.
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:06 AM
Mar 2014

We tried so hard and worked and worked, telling everybody we could, writing letters to dems to stop the vote robbing, to no avail. So, my guess, is that they let the other side win just often enough to quell conflict. We are puppets on a string.

Thanks for your post. It made me feel good to see someone who remembers what it's all about.

greatlaurel

(2,004 posts)
5. Righteous rant!
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 10:30 AM
Mar 2014

Thank you.

You are absolutely correct about the clearcutting. You can see where it was cut on the aerial photos at the Seattle Times site.
Link to an article that discusses the logging: http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2023225363_mudslideloggingxml.html

They are already bringing out corporate apologists saying that the logging was not that big of a cause, it was the geology. Heard one on Rachel Maddow a couple of days ago. Uneducated folks will buy it, if you do not understand what trees do to hold the soil in place. It was really important to corporate interests to cut science education for decades. In the 1960's we studied soil erosion and proper soil erosion techniques in elementary school, because of the dust bowl and loss of soil in the mountainous areas.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
8. logging corps keep going higher & steeper to rape the forests
Sun Mar 30, 2014, 02:35 AM
Mar 2014

I have seen this throughout the US and Canada in the Pacific NW. This was bound to happen and it will happen again.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
6. A couple days after the slide I was on google maps looking at the topology
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 11:13 AM
Mar 2014

I am no expert but I saw immediately fresh cuts, new roads and drainage scars that CLEARLY show the drainage pattern was altered because of logging activity.

The local governing bodies and the who ever has that "compound" located upslope and to the right of the slide area are probably to blame for the over development and of not only the slope but the drainage plain in the river bottom.

I suggest the families of the victims hire lawyers and start collecting documents on permits, zoning and find out if someone covered up the the dangers of developing this area...

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