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Judi Lynn

(160,542 posts)
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:36 PM Mar 2014

Reid says GOP may have helped Russia annex Crimea

Source: Associated Press

Reid says GOP may have helped Russia annex Crimea
By Associated Press, Updated: Monday, March 24, 3:00 PM

WASHINGTON — Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says Republicans may have helped Russia annex Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula.

The surprising accusation came ahead of a Monday test vote on a Russia sanctions and Ukraine aid bill that Republicans blocked before Congress left for recess two weeks ago.

Since, Crimea seceded and Russian lawmakers annexed the territory.

Reid said, quoting, “It’s impossible to know whether events would have unfolded differently if the United States had responded to Russian aggression with a strong, unified voice.”



Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congress/reid-says-gop-may-have-helped-russia-annex-crimea/2014/03/24/e85a4ad2-b38e-11e3-bab2-b9602293021d_story.html

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Reid says GOP may have helped Russia annex Crimea (Original Post) Judi Lynn Mar 2014 OP
And lets play ball! Iliyah Mar 2014 #1
Yep, it's a fair question. Don't forget anti-US riots inspired by RW news from USA uhnope Mar 2014 #3
K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2014 #2
Oh yes, Call out the Putin Porn we've watched from the Republicans DearAbby Mar 2014 #4
When the next person jumps up to say Obama takes too long to act Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #5
That's pretty much what I've been saying, we need to put it out there... madmom Mar 2014 #6
You nailed it and Harry said it. Now, will Dems vote for more of the same by staying home? freshwest Mar 2014 #11
+1 sheshe2 Mar 2014 #14
If a Democrat doesn't get out and vote... ReRe Mar 2014 #43
This. riqster Mar 2014 #45
Oh snap! L0oniX Mar 2014 #7
"Ukraine, Schmukraine! Let's repeal Obamacare!" Beartracks Mar 2014 #8
Bengazi !! Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2014 #12
Drink! GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #32
I wonder whose side the Republicans would be on if we actually went to war. world wide wally Mar 2014 #9
Everybody seems to have missed the whole point Bandit Mar 2014 #10
Drink! GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #33
I noticed all the repubs running to the talk shows Kingofalldems Mar 2014 #13
Kicked and Recommending! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #15
Reid has totally been on top of this Ukraine crisis since day one! Pterodactyl Mar 2014 #16
Well played sir! JoePhilly Mar 2014 #17
Because a loud shout stops a bully much better than a half-volume shout. Igel Mar 2014 #18
It's their job to do harm Turbineguy Mar 2014 #19
America thinking once again that it has control over all events and all nations in the Fred Sanders Mar 2014 #20
^^^ this^^^ malokvale77 Mar 2014 #22
I agree but why not use it anyways? LiberalLovinLug Mar 2014 #25
I hear what you are saying but the MSM seems to think the GOP turds smell like Fred Sanders Mar 2014 #30
I think Putin would have invaded Crimea anyway, but it helped to have Sarah winking him on. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #21
If you think anyone in Russia, let alone Putin, gives a snow flake about Sister Sarah you Fred Sanders Mar 2014 #24
It was my feeble attempt at humor, Fred.. mountain grammy Mar 2014 #35
Having often been the victim of sarcasm misunderstood, I apologize. Fred Sanders Mar 2014 #39
While it seems doubtful that earlier sanctions would have had a deciding effect . . . another_liberal Mar 2014 #23
As always, follow the money. mia Mar 2014 #26
Your on the money. go west young man Mar 2014 #27
Nice. mia Mar 2014 #29
mia nails it! bvar22 Mar 2014 #36
Kick Cha Mar 2014 #28
Michael Steele is quoted saying "Harry Reid is completely unhinged".. so he Cha Mar 2014 #31
A house divided ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #34
They were pretty much PUTIN CHEERLEADERS EC Mar 2014 #37
Nn Surprise 12kbush Mar 2014 #38
Jesus, he simply can't speak in direct, effective sentences. The Stranger Mar 2014 #40
Because he's having a recurrence of... ReRe Mar 2014 #44
Exactly! Hey, isn't this what the repukes were saying in '02/'03 about Dems that hughee99 Mar 2014 #41
US conservatives find themselves attracted to Putin, in a shirtless, Brokeback pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #42
I think it's safe to say Repulis are anit-patriots ffr Mar 2014 #46
Wow! Cal3bg Mar 2014 #47
BENJAMIN GHAZI! IkeRepublican Mar 2014 #48
 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
3. Yep, it's a fair question. Don't forget anti-US riots inspired by RW news from USA
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:43 PM
Mar 2014

that have been documented

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
4. Oh yes, Call out the Putin Porn we've watched from the Republicans
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:45 PM
Mar 2014

Obama didn't respond with that cowboy swagger and a ah shucks "bring em on" like Bush did, but they sure love Putin for it. And Obama hasn't felt like a man since..They hate Obama so much they declared him the loser of some giant Prick-waving contest.

It's Putin who is making the same mistake as Bush made, not Obama.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. When the next person jumps up to say Obama takes too long to act
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:51 PM
Mar 2014

We can point to Congress taking too long to act. If we had aggression displayed and need to declare action Congress would be out of session and would not be able to declare war. Congress should be willing to work sometimes.

madmom

(9,681 posts)
6. That's pretty much what I've been saying, we need to put it out there...
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 04:59 PM
Mar 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4704329

We need to make them own it! Keep repeating that their divisiveness is what caused Putin to thing he had an opening.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. You nailed it and Harry said it. Now, will Dems vote for more of the same by staying home?
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 05:45 PM
Mar 2014
Not voting this year is the same as voting for another war.

That's what we're up against here. We know what the GOP wants.

Beartracks

(12,814 posts)
8. "Ukraine, Schmukraine! Let's repeal Obamacare!"
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 05:07 PM
Mar 2014

GOP: Monday morning quarterbacks.

Plus, they always have to wait to see what Obama does so they can retroactively call it "the wrong thing to do."

Funny thing is, none of them know what the right thing to do is. In this or ANY situation.

==============

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
9. I wonder whose side the Republicans would be on if we actually went to war.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 05:36 PM
Mar 2014

Obama derangement runs deep in them.

Kingofalldems

(38,458 posts)
13. I noticed all the repubs running to the talk shows
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 05:50 PM
Mar 2014

and the GOP run Fox News saying exactly the same thing.

It's almost as if they got together and planned it.

Of course they would never do that, would they?

Igel

(35,317 posts)
18. Because a loud shout stops a bully much better than a half-volume shout.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 06:30 PM
Mar 2014

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can really hurt me.

Something Putin said never.



Talk loudly and carry a small feather.

Something Teddy Roosevelt said never.


Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. America thinking once again that it has control over all events and all nations in the
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:22 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Mon Mar 24, 2014, 08:00 PM - Edit history (1)

world simply by virtue of its bloated military is the very definition of Imperialism.

No, the GOP Putin lovefest had nothing to do with it, the long march of time and local politics did.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,174 posts)
25. I agree but why not use it anyways?
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 08:24 PM
Mar 2014

I'm referring to the "GOP Putin lovefest". Even if it only is for confusing the easily confused Fox News viewer. Too many times the Democrats have shied away from the "its too easy" jab. Thinking that the public will notice how gentlemanly they are behaving. Which is just as arrogant as the GOP in believing everything they criticize is The Most Important Thing in the World.

The GOP knows how to use any news item no matter how dead end.... BENGHAZI! .... and milk it to death. The Dems could learn to at the very least use whatever falls in their laps. They should be screaming about how the GOP was propping up Putin for weeks, as the manly man of men. How great a leader he is compared to "mom jeans" Obama. And then say how this probably emboldened Putin to strike. (Yes we know its bullshit, but a lot of the lame stream media (thanks Sarah!) watchers don't know that.)

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
30. I hear what you are saying but the MSM seems to think the GOP turds smell like
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 01:23 AM
Mar 2014

roses and they will endlessly sniff the scent, but Democrat turds are just stinky.

mountain grammy

(26,622 posts)
21. I think Putin would have invaded Crimea anyway, but it helped to have Sarah winking him on.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:38 PM
Mar 2014

Like Reagan and Thatcher, Palin and Putin.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
24. If you think anyone in Russia, let alone Putin, gives a snow flake about Sister Sarah you
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:59 PM
Mar 2014

may need to do some more thinking on it.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
39. Having often been the victim of sarcasm misunderstood, I apologize.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:15 PM
Mar 2014

Sarcasm gets lost easily without the spoken voice to assist it.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
23. While it seems doubtful that earlier sanctions would have had a deciding effect . . .
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 07:58 PM
Mar 2014

There is no doubt that a unified Congress strongly supporting our President's international policies would have had some impact on Russia's decision making processes.

mia

(8,361 posts)
26. As always, follow the money.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 08:40 PM
Mar 2014

Russia's armed intervention in the Crimea undoubtedly illustrates President Putin's ruthless determination to get his way in Ukraine. But less attention has been paid to the role of the United States in interfering in Ukrainian politics and civil society. Both powers are motivated by the desire to ensure that a geostrategically pivotal country with respect to control of critical energy pipeline routes remains in their own sphere of influence.

Much has been made of the reported leak of the recording of an alleged private telephone conversation between US assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland and US ambassador to Kiev Geoffrey Pyatt. While the focus has been on Nuland's rude language, which has already elicited US apologies, the more important context of this language concerns the US role in liaising with Ukrainian opposition parties with a view, it seems, to manipulate the orientation of the Ukrainian government in accordance with US interests.

Rather than leaving the future of Ukrainian politics "up to the Ukrainian people" as claimed in official announcements, the conversation suggests active US government interference to favour certain opposition leaders:


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/06/ukraine-crisis-great-power-oil-gas-rivals-pipelines
 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
27. Your on the money.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:08 PM
Mar 2014

"Eliminate all other factors, and the one which remains must be the truth."

Sherlock Holmes Quote

-The Sign of Four

Chapter 1: "The Science of Deduction"

"In solving a problem of this sort, the grand thing is to be able to reason backwards. That is a very useful accomplishment, and a very easy one, but people do not practise it much. In the every-day affairs of life it is more useful to reason forwards, and so the other comes to be neglected. There are fifty who can reason synthetically for one who can reason analytically...Let me see if I can make it clearer. Most people, if you describe a train of events to them, will tell you what the result would be. They can put those events together in their minds, and argue from them that something will come to pass. There are few people, however, who, if you told them a result, would be able to evolve from their own inner consciousness what the steps were which led up to that result. This power is what I mean when I talk of reasoning backwards, or analytically."

Sherlock Holmes Quote

-A Study in Scarlet

-Chapter 7 - Conclusion

Cha

(297,270 posts)
31. Michael Steele is quoted saying "Harry Reid is completely unhinged".. so he
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:06 AM
Mar 2014

must have hit a fucking nerve.

EC

(12,287 posts)
37. They were pretty much PUTIN CHEERLEADERS
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 03:34 PM
Mar 2014

Then the Congress voted down the Ukrainian relief and left town. So yeah, they encouraged Putin to do whatever he wanted and all they did was squeal about how "manly" and "decisive" he is.


THEY CHEERED PUTIN ON.

12kbush

(49 posts)
38. Nn Surprise
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 05:57 PM
Mar 2014

The Consersatives Control The Purse Strings Ala The Koch Bros And The Repubs Are Too Busy Sitting On Their Brains.


The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
40. Jesus, he simply can't speak in direct, effective sentences.
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 07:35 PM
Mar 2014

“It’s impossible to know whether events would have unfolded differently if the United States had responded to Russian aggression with a strong, unified voice.”

How about: "If the Republican Party had not turned on and divided America and this body, Crimea would be free today."

Why in the fuck can't he say something like that?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
44. Because he's having a recurrence of...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:57 AM
Mar 2014

... "no-back-bone syndrome." Duval Patrick needs to run down to DC and give him a good shaking.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
41. Exactly! Hey, isn't this what the repukes were saying in '02/'03 about Dems that
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 08:00 PM
Mar 2014

were not "on board" with attacking Iraq? They said it was "helping the enemy"...

I remember back when politicians had a right to debate and disagree with any administration

 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
42. US conservatives find themselves attracted to Putin, in a shirtless, Brokeback
Tue Mar 25, 2014, 11:00 PM
Mar 2014

Mountain sort of way. Conservatives daydream about Putin, riding in on his steed, their noses flare at the musky smell of horse shit and sour vodka.

Putin's muscles are rippling as he scoops up our damsel bagger, rescuing her from a dreadful American life of tolerance and civil liberty.

It's just another sleazy Siberian romance.


ffr

(22,670 posts)
46. I think it's safe to say Repulis are anit-patriots
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:28 AM
Mar 2014

From the top down, they do everything they can to ruin our nation.

GOTV 2014. No More Republis!

Cal3bg

(12 posts)
47. Wow!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:28 PM
Mar 2014

Who could have known that Republicans could actually obstruct something that wasn't very well thought out for once?

IkeRepublican

(406 posts)
48. BENJAMIN GHAZI!
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:15 PM
Mar 2014

They're "outraged" about Harry now.

Outraged, I tell you. Aren't you outraged? Where IS THE OUTRAGE???

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