BREAKING: Australian PM: Australia Checking 2 Objects in Search for Plane (Update: PHOTOS)
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Source: Associated Press
@AP: BREAKING: Australian PM: 2 objects in search for Malaysian jet may have been found.
@BreakingNews: More: Prime minister says Royal Australian Airforce Orion aircraft diverted to investigate objects - @smh http://t.co/E10hk5liHK
AUSTRALIA CHECKING 2 OBJECTS IN SEARCH FOR PLANE
By IAN MADER
Mar. 19, 2014 11:16 PM EDT
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) Australia's prime minister says objects possibly related to the missing Malaysia Airlines flight have been spotted on satellite imagery.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott told Parliament in Canberra on Thursday that a Royal Australian Airforce Orion has been diverted to the area to attempt to locate the objects. The Orion is expected to arrive in the area Thursday afternoon. Three additional aircraft are expected to follow for a more intensive search.
Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/thai-radar-might-have-tracked-missing-plane
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Malaysia Airlines MH370: Tony Abbott says possible debris found in Indian Ocean
Updated 4 minutes ago
Prime Minister Tony Abbott has announced objects possibly related to the search for the missing Malaysian Airlines plane have been found in the southern Indian Ocean.
Mr Abbott says new satellite images show two possible objects in the ocean and an Australian Orion aircraft is en route to the area.
The plane has been missing since it disappeared en route to Beijing from Malaysia on March 8.
More to come.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-20/abbott-says-possible-objects-found-mh370/5334314
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)a news conference per CNN.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)...
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...
Here.
We will find out if this really is a discovery, but it's interesting to think about what is off that area of Perth...
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)That's almost precisely the maximum depth a flight data recorder, and cockpit voice recorder are designed to withstand.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)It's deep out there, really deep.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)is suspected to be around 2400 feet. Near as I can tell there might be depths of 16-20,000 feet out there. I wonder what we would find.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,368 posts)Winter is starting.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-26659583
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)(or maybe just 3 people), from what I have been reading. The pressures at that depth are incredible, so it would likely crush anything that got down that far, so the debris may be even harder to find and recover. It also said currents could move pieces a kilometer, or over half a mile a day.
Air France, iirc, crashed a plane in the Atlantic an it took 2 years to get the black box.
If it really is the plane, that might be all we know for some time, as they try to get pieces together.
Thank you for that.
Skittles
(153,199 posts)it is heart-breaking beyond belief
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Not funny.. I know.
Just frustration... and grief...
Skittles
(153,199 posts)hugs for their loved ones
WillyT
(72,631 posts)hamsterjill
(15,224 posts)That video circulating yesterday of that mother screaming and crying over her lost son just tore me up! I feel so bad for them. "Nightmare" doesn't even begin to describe their agony.
I hope they get real answers soon.
Botany
(70,589 posts)Debris field found 1230 miles S.W. of Australia
BTW if it is midnight on the east coast of the US when will it be afternoon in Western Australia?
AnalystInParadise
(1,832 posts)there now
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)I think he said 'Perth'.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)working for a big car rental outfit. We had offices all over the world, and doing support for the private telephone network we connected with between countries.
Came to work on the evening shift, and a couple hours in handled the opening of the offices in Australia, where it was tomorrow. Nice folks.
Laffy Kat
(16,386 posts)I keep hoping against hope that the passengers will be found alive on some remote island airstrip. Sigh.
adigal
(7,581 posts)and they had it going up and then possible left in China.
Now it's thousands of miles south in the southern Indian Ocean?? This has been a total debacle from the first minute. Disgraceful. Those poor families.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)They had to piece together evidence not meant for this purpose to figure it out.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Because searchers were looking in the wrong body of water for a week. Because they had contact they didn't reveal until days later.
The Malaysian govt has made a horrible situation worse. Now their spokesperson is saying, "there's hope the debris may be the plane." Hope? The families must want to rip their hair out.
ellisonz
(27,711 posts)The story has been that the last satellite ping came from one of two segments of an arc. One stretching into Central Asia and the other into the Southern Indian Ocean. Authorities have believed the Southern Indian Ocean was much more probably since it wasn't picked up on radar going north.
fujiyama
(15,185 posts)is on the southern arc - or very close to it.
This has the potential to be a big breakthrough.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Last I saw, CNN had two red arcs, birth heading up through China.
Thank you for,this information. I appreciate you taking the time.
Travelman
(708 posts)Because of the nature of the satellite pings from the plane, they knew that there were two possible tracks, one to the north and one to the south. The northerly route seemed unlikely given that the plane would have been picked up on ground-based radar. Since there is no ground-based radar in the middle of the ocean, the focus has been to the south.
The turn north was always just a possibility, not a certainty.
WhoWoodaKnew
(847 posts)(well, guessing) while the people involved were trying to piece together data of a complex situation.
tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)tarheelsunc
(2,117 posts)It seems like every revelation from every party has been denied the next day so far. I hope something, anything concrete is confirmed soon, but I've become skeptical towards every report concerning this flight.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)then what will CNN speculate about 24/7? After all, it was the only thing going on in the entire world.
adigal
(7,581 posts)Any other country that Russia messes with.
No news about that, except on NPR.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)aircraft parts washing up in India off the Andhra coast, and a Taiwanese student found a picture of the plane, intact, in the jungle...
http://www.emirates247.com/news/student-claims-to-have-spotted-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-on-satellite-2014-03-19-1.542241
and
http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/malaysia-airlines-live-missing-plane-s-satellite-image-spotted-by-indian-techie_918827.html
Somebody's wrong. Or maybe photoshoppin' ...
tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)tofuandbeer
(1,314 posts)Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Could be a lot of things, though. Also they will have drifted since the satellite imagery was taken, and may even have since sunk.
harun
(11,348 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)One metre is 3.2 feet
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)would wings break off in a crash landing in the sea?
I don't know who knows these answers, I am just
wondering out loud, maybe you know more than I.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)the -300 became the longest airliner yet produced
wiki
80 feet would seem a big section to still be floating.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)have torn off and fluttered free, so it might not even be within miles of the wreckage. Or it might have come off on impact.
Or, as someone else said, it might be floating garbage.
The planes should be on site within a couple of hours or so, should know whether they are sending the cavalry soon.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)adirondacker
(2,921 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)... IF it is even related to the missing plane.
Travelman
(708 posts)The wingspan of the 777 is about 200 feet wingtip-to-wingtip. 78 feet from the fuselage to the wingtip would probably be about right.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)thecrow
(5,519 posts)about how they should make airplanes so they DO float.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)be tough enough to hold people (variable weight) and engine thrust without falling apart, be able to take off, land, and fly. Put an envelope around it to trap air and all it needs is one puncture. So then you add compartments, and up goes the weight.
Oh, and human life isn't worth the cut in profits that would take for research and production.
Probably the second one is the larger barrier of the two.
Except for the few it kills, it's far safer than cars and plenty of other modes of transportation. Unfortunately it allows you to segregate yourself from the rest of the world, move faster than them. People can too easily lose the "human" contact, interaction mostly, with their neighbor.
On the other hand, we could keep the computers and just travel by ground-based stuff where we have to smell each other and look each other in the eye. Could be fun Even then there is the occasional murdering psychopath on the bus with you that day, or some more-or-less unforeseen accident...
Don't like commercial flying, never have and never will. I like cars, trains, boats.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)... I hope it is, so that the families can start to have some closure.
Reter
(2,188 posts)I don't want it to end like this.
bigworld
(1,807 posts)So if this isn't a wing, this is ... something significant
mainer
(12,029 posts)so it could be more than one container tied together.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Travelman
(708 posts)We've got a couple of ships already relatively close. The Chinese, AFAIK, are still out in the northern Indian ocean.
I think that the Aussie at the press conference said that he expects US assets on scene in just a few hours, like four hours from now or something like that.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Or maybe it was today when today was yesterday here...
...
Meanwhile, China said it was dispatching its military and civilian ships taking part in the maritime search to two suspected locations in the Indian Ocean as of 8am on Tuesday morning.
There are major changes in our search strategy and plans due to the change of situations. The forces will head in two opposite directions, one northward and the other southward, starting today," a press official at the China Maritime Search and Rescue Centre in Beijing told the Post on Tuesday morning. ...
I did see that we are sending a P3 flying over that which should be able to see it within an hour or two, but I think there might be Chinese ships nearby. With their grieving citizens being dragged out of press conferences in Malaysia, I suspect they are going to increase their efforts.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Malaysian Navy sends 6 ships with 3 helicopters to southern Indian Ocean to participate in search, source says
hhttps://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/446514162223820800
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)It was posted BEFORE the breaking news from Australia.
March 19, 2014
American and British aviation officials have refined satellite signals from the missing Malaysia Flight 370 and created two possible flight paths that dramatically narrow the scope of the search to an area off the coast of Australia.
The two possible paths have the plane heading toward the South Pole and ending, experts believe, off of Australia.
U.S. officials familiar with the investigation tell ABC News that the hourly satellite pings from the jet had yielded far more clues than expected, enabling the focus of the search to be cut in half - from an area roughly the size of Texas to that of Arizona.
Calculations by UK and US experts had now been handed over to the Australians to help with the search.
-snip-
Full article map/video, here: http://abcnews.go.com/International/search-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-drastically-narrows/story?id=22975958
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)US Navy/7th Fleet clarifies the Radar hits David Wright reported from the P-8 NOT linked to Australian announcement but typical Radar return
12:23 AM - 20 Mar 2014
17 Retweets 3 favorites
Still could be anything...
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)https://twitter.com/cnnbrk/status/446523856829030400
Why on earth would they send relatives to Australia? There is NOTHING they can do there except just get more stressed out.
Seems to me they all need to go home and get some rest before they all have nervous breakdowns.
Just my opinion.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)that said "Tell Us Where It Is", or something like that.
It's a sad time, and I think all the endless speculation, some of it fueled by the Malaysian authorities, has hurt the families more than it needed to.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)at this point, and aren't really thinking of their own long term best interests, or that of anyone else. It's like trying to save a drowning victim - they can kill you in the process.
In my experience dealing with the people left behind, there really is nothing you can say. I've seen something like it before, and I think during this whole process they were led to believe things when nothing was known, based on the reports I was reading from the "Malaysian authorities". That's a real problem. It becomes a roller coaster that can put some people over the edge, and it is unnecessary.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)down to Australia?
But then again, I have not gone through their hell of the last 2 weeks. I hope they find something soon, for all their sakes.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)I probably would want to be there, if it were my relative missing. Even if bodies are never found. It helps with closure.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)I hope they find something soon, can not imagine being a family member with all the rumors and false reports that have gone on.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)hard to imagine how a plane that big can just disappear...
I think we need better electronic tracking.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Rhiannon12866
(206,093 posts)ecstatic
(32,733 posts)I'm watching CNN.
Rhiannon12866
(206,093 posts)But I had no idea this happened, should have checked LBN, since they had it first. I had on MSNBC, hoping to catch a couple of shows I missed in primetime, but they broke in live, instead. Looks like they woke Chris Jansing up. BTW, she used to be my local news anchor, Albany, NY.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)Rhiannon12866
(206,093 posts)Rhiannon12866
(206,093 posts)This is big news!
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)CNN Live Blog, here: http://cnnworldlive.cnn.com/Event/Missing_Malaysia_Airlines_Jetliner
Object Number One...
And Object Number Two...
:large
https://www.breakingnews.com/topic/malaysia-airlines-loses-contact-with-flight-march-8-2014/
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AnalystInParadise
(1,832 posts)the CNN anchor misreported what was heard by the plane crew.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Rhiannon12866
(206,093 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)dropped off, yet they have more info.
I wonder it they have gone quiet while they talk with the families. They need to take some care with them.
Rhiannon12866
(206,093 posts)News On The Min ?@NewsOnTheMin 4m
#MH370 Satellite image from Australian government of objects in Indian Ocean. http://cnn.it/1qXJ0YH pic.twitter.com/MeQ2z1ffGA
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Malaysia's New Straits Times reports.
?Selamat Omar, 60, told the paper's website his family would be taken to a resort for a briefing held by relevant authorities.
It will be conducted together with the families and next of kin of Chinese nationals aboard Malaysia Airlines MH370. He did not reveal what the briefing was about to reporters.
Selamat is the father of aviation engineer, Mohamad Khairul Amri, 29, who was on board the plane.
Here.
Still might not be anything, could just be to deal with rising tensions.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)@BreakingNews: US Navy: P-8 Poseidon aircraft has completed its flight over target area and found nothing, other aircraft heading in - @NBCNews
muriel_volestrangler
(101,368 posts)Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)@BreakingNews: Royal Australian Air Force P3 crew unable to locate debris, cloud and rain limited visibility; further aircraft continue search - @AMSA_News
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)The weather can get quite bad. And the seas can get incredibly rough.
underpants
(182,904 posts)brooklynite
(94,745 posts)SYDNEY: Australia expects to make a quick deliberation on whether possible debris seen at sea is indeed from flight MH370, a report said, but a first spotter flight failed to locate anything in bad weather.
Authorities should know something definite on the possible discovery of debris from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane within two or three days, the Australian Associated Press quoted Defence Minister David Johnston as saying in Jakarta.
http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-update-22-missing-mh370-font-definite-findings-on-debris-in-2-3-days-australia-1.523398
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Australian Maritime Safety in charge of search has an EXCELLENT web page. Updates, images, ship locations.
http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/
https://twitter.com/AMSA_News
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Secondary point: as I write it's not clear whether the Australian satellite sightings actually involve this flight. Short of the passengers being found live and safe, which unfortunately is hard to imagine nearly two weeks in, the most useful news would offer certainty about what actually happened. Let's hope that this sighting, unlike some previous ones, offers a real clue.
There's some valuable commentary here:
1Independent
(17 posts)Every other plane in peril had passengers using their cellphones. There must have been at least a hundred or more cellphones on that plane!
Yet, no one has heard frantic cellphone calls.
That leads me to think that they were confiscated, and that means other passengers were assisting in a skyjacking. If that's true, then a radical group will claim responsibility. They've been working at taking planes down since 9/11.
Just putting that observation out...
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Not many cell towers out in the middle of nowhere.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I've always been curious.
And thinking that would have been at least one executive type on board with one such device.
I'm running out of unfounded, conspiracy theory solutions to this mystery.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)as the phones themselves tend to be more expensive, as are the plans. Also, just because it's satellite, it doesn't mean there is 100% coverage on the earth.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)The plane flew to an unusually high altitude right after the turnaround. Maybe someone disabled the release of oxygen masks if the plane depressurized.
So many possiblities...
countryjake
(8,554 posts)with winter coming on, they are saying that the area where the objects were spotted is known for huge wave swells and high winds, extremely difficult conditions for any intensive recovery operation. If those objects are from Flight 370, it may take years to actually locate where the exact crash occurred. Already they're saying that the suspected "debris" could have drifted many miles since it was recorded by the satellites a few days ago, so just finding those objects is a hard task.
The race the searchers are in to locate the crash site before the pinging stops is one incredible mission.
Safe searching is what I'm now concerned with, risking even more lives.
Matilda
(6,384 posts)and W.A. is still hot, so winter weather a while away, but yes, the seas are very choppy there.
But someone on local TV said it takes four hours for the planes to fly to the area and four back again, leaving them just two hours to search, so that seems really tight.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)they'll probably have to actually do any searching, compared to how long it takes for those planes to fly down to the area. Quite a mission!
Thanks for the info about Western Australia; all I even know about Perth and thereabouts is that it's one of the most isolated big cities on earth. I did know that your seasons are the opposite of ours (I'm up in western Washington state, USA); I used to have a friend from down there or, should I say, I was a member of an old media message board where we learned much about your country from another member who, I think, was from somewhere around Canberra. She used to get quite frustrated with how close to ignorant we all were of any knowledge of other nations in the world.
(sadly, she was right.)
Anyway, I'm sure those searchers are more than competent to accomplish this task, safely. I just hope they won't try to do something over and beyond what is necessary.
cheezmaka
(737 posts)the battery on the "black box" has less than 18 days of power left...
politicat
(9,808 posts)There's a heavy current that basically circumscribes Antarctica from the 60s to the 40s. Winds are equally bad, especially this time of year. And that's deep water.