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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 06:50 PM Mar 2012

Courthouse Shooting Reported In Montesano, Wash.

Source: AP/Huffington Post

A man wounded a judge and a sheriff's deputy in a shooting and stabbing attack Friday at a courthouse, said authorities who were hunting for the assailant.

Much of the coastal town of Montesano was on lockdown, with authorities asking a radio station to tell residents to lock their doors and stay inside. Authorities have surrounded a home where they believe the suspect may be armed with a pistol.

State Patrol Trooper Russ Winger said the attack included a shooting and stabbing, but he did not know the extent of the injuries at the Grays County Courthouse, about 90 miles southwest of Seattle. About 4,000 people live in Montesano.

Grays Harbor Community Hospital spokesman David Quigg told The Associated Press that Judge David Edwards was in satisfactory condition, which means he's conscious and stable. It wasn't immediately known how the judge was injured, and no other details were immediately available.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/courthouse-shooting-repor_n_1335672.html



Sound like a good time for Republicans to loosen gun laws.
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saras

(6,670 posts)
2. "Sound like a good time for Republicans to loosen gun laws." We've tried that.
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 08:35 PM
Mar 2012

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I think it's time to loosen gun ACCURACY. Let 'em shoot all they want, as long as they miss most of the time.

Seriously. A 1 inch maximum barrel length. If someone gets in your face, it will still kill them. But you're not going to stand there and kill a bunch of people at a distance, at least not very easily.

OKAY. I FORGOT SOMETHING.

4saken

(152 posts)
4. Tell that to the guys who want laser guided bullets for recreation o_O
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:11 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/feb/01/engineers-laser-guided-bullet-target

"Sandia Labs said potential customers for the bullet could include the military, law enforcement and recreational shooters."
 

saras

(6,670 posts)
6. With all that stuff on them, why not put the rocket engine too?
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:26 PM
Mar 2012

"Bullets" is hardly a good word for projectiles with optical sensors, computers, and moveable fins. Unpowered miniature guided missiles, maybe.

And if it's tracking a laser beam, what happens if you shine a laser back in its eye?

I'm picturing someone in a disco mirror suit, impervious to bullets... nah, only in comics.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
9. Laser-guided projectiles actually follow the laser beam being reflected off the target....
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 05:21 PM
Mar 2012

from a seperate source. The laser source can be contained in the projectile or a stand-alone device. Wearing a reflective suit would simply improve the beam bounce-back, in effect making one a better target.

For laser protection, you want to do the same as for radar: absorb, disperse, or spoof with counter-transmissions designed to make the guidance computer think the target is closer/further away or out of range or a non-target.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
12. A bit of excess complexity here...
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 03:01 AM
Mar 2012

The kind of mirror that guarantees the beam goes back where it came from would guarantee getting hit.

It seems to me that a suit of little loose mirrors would bounce the laser in random directions and the bullet wouldn't even find it - kind of like if the gun shot at you and you held up one big mirror at 45 degrees so the laser beam goes straight up - it never goes back to the bullet.

My other thought is to fill the bullet's sensor with laser overload to it has no reason to turn, it ALWAYS has too much light. But then I thought - if I was making one of these I'd modulate the laser with a pseudo-random signal that I could pull out of deep noise and jamming. The only way to beat this would be a photoreceptor that modulated a whole bunch of shoot-back lasers in different locations, because you'd have to absorb it extremely well, although a bullet might be too fast to do a lot of signal processing.

Now I'm picturing a Road Runner bullet, with rockets, going really slow, stopping to think, zooming at someone, then stopping right in front of their face before exploding...

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
13. Heh, sorry, had a long, slow day at work and got a bit pedantic....
Sun Mar 11, 2012, 08:40 AM
Mar 2012

Fair warning, today is shaping up the same.

And I've been running on only 3-5 hours sleep/night for the last week, 4-5 more days to go.

I'm getting too old for this....

spin

(17,493 posts)
5. Many people enjoy target shooting with handguns ...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:21 PM
Mar 2012

and a one inch barrel makes accurate shooting at any significant distance extremely difficult.

I legally carry a .38 caliber revolver with a barrel length just short of 2 inches. I can easily rapidly place all 5 shots from this revolver into the "kill" zone of a full sized silhouette target at 21 feet.

I use handguns with barrel lengths of 4 to 8 inches for target shooting. It is true that a longer barrel makes long distance accuracy much easier because of the sight radius, however most criminal shootings happen within 21 feet. I would imagine that the shooting and stabbing described in the article was at extremely close range. Your idea would in all likelihood have done nothing to stop the tragedy.

 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
10. Right. Because what we want to do is INCREASE the chances of hitting the wrong target....
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 05:24 PM
Mar 2012

Oy vey...

spin

(17,493 posts)
3. How would you suggest that gun laws be "loosened" ...
Fri Mar 9, 2012, 09:04 PM
Mar 2012

In Florida where I live it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon into a courthouse even if you have a carry license. (ref: Possession Restrictions http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/weapons/possession.html)

Washington forbids carry a concealed weapon into a courtroom but apparently not the courthouse.


Prohibited places to carry?
The Washington state firearm law has designated certain areas where it is a violation of law to possess a firearm, regardless of whether you are lawfully carrying concealed. The prohibited areas are: restricted access areas of a jail; the area used in connection with court proceedings; restricted access areas of a mental health facility; that portion of an establishment classified by the liquor control board as off-limits to persons under 21 years of age; restricted access areas of a commercial service airport; and public or private elementary and secondary school premises. This can be found in RCW 9.41.300. Municipalities may also have laws, in keeping with state law, that prohibit firearm possession. emphasis added
http://www.atg.wa.gov/ConcealedWeapons/FAQ.aspx


Both states also have laws against those who use a weapon such as a gun or a knife to injure another person unless used in legitimate self defense.

Obviously someone who intends to murder will simply ignore any restrictions on where they can carry a weapon as they plan to commit a much more serious crime.

It could be argued that all firearms and knives should be banned but the difficultly of passing and enforcing such legislation are enormous. Even if such laws passed, those who have criminal intent would still have weapons while many honest citizens would be disarmed. There are at least 300,000,000 firearms in our nation and far more knives. A fairly high percentage of honest citizens would simply refuse to turn in such weapons and since in many states there is no registration of firearms and no state requires a knife to be registered, it would be extremely difficult to gather up all such weapons without cordoning off neighborhoods and sending in swat teams to search each and every house. This might lead to a rebellion that would tear our nation apart.

It might be wise to try to improve the NICS background check that is required for the purchase of a firearm from a dealer and open this system for use for private sales. The improvements to the system would require better financing for the states in order to update their records on a more timely basis. Any person who wanted to buy a firearm but had had adjudged by a state to have a serious mental problem should not be allowed to legally buy a firearm.

This unfortunately would only address legal sales. I personally feel that anyone who is involved in the straw purchase or smuggling of weapons into the inner cities of our nation should face serious prison time and also should be considered to be an accessory to any crime committed by the firearms they trafficked in.

In my opinion in honest and sane hands firearms are rarely a problem. Perhaps those who favor gun ownership and those who would love to impose draconian restrictions on these weapons can possibly reach a compromise that will help to reduce the tragedies that occur because of the misuse of these weapons.

I have no problem with reasonable restrictions being imposed on firearm ownership. It is my feeling that we need to improve and enforce existing laws. President Obama appears to agree with me.

President Obama: We must seek agreement on gun reforms
President Barack Obama Special To The Arizona Daily Star | Posted: Sunday, March 13, 2011 12:00 am

***snip***

• First, we should begin by enforcing laws that are already on the books. The National Instant Criminal Background Check System is the filter that's supposed to stop the wrong people from getting their hands on a gun. Bipartisan legislation four years ago was supposed to strengthen this system, but it hasn't been properly implemented. It relies on data supplied by states - but that data is often incomplete and inadequate. We must do better.

• Second, we should in fact reward the states that provide the best data - and therefore do the most to protect our citizens.

• Third, we should make the system faster and nimbler. We should provide an instant, accurate, comprehensive and consistent system for background checks to sellers who want to do the right thing, and make sure that criminals can't escape it.

Read more: http://azstarnet.com/news/opinion/mailbag/president-obama-we-must-seek-agreement-on-gun-reforms/article_011e7118-8951-5206-a878-39bfbc9dc89d.html#ixzz1ofbJVlLO


While we can't stop all the tragedies that occur because of the misuse of firearms and even knives, we may be able to pass legislation that would help reduce the problem. It will be difficult as the issue of gun control causes a sharp divide between liberals and conservatives in our nation. Unfortunately at this time in our history both parties play politics and are not as interested in the future of our nation as they appear to be in preserving their jobs.













 

PavePusher

(15,374 posts)
8. Not sure what "gun control" proposals could have prevented this.
Sat Mar 10, 2012, 05:11 PM
Mar 2012

It seems the criminal used some non-gun weapon to stab both the security guard and the judge, then took the officer's gun.

The only thing I can think of is to disarm security guards.

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