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ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:18 PM Feb 2014

Walton, Benioff Join Billionaires Backing Clinton in 2016

Source: Bloomberg Politics

Billionaires Alice Walton, George Soros and Marc Benioff are helping to finance a super-political action committee encouraging former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to run for president, according to a report filed yesterday with the Federal Election Commission.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-01/walton-benioff-join-billionaires-backing-clinton-in-2016.html



Alice Louise Walton (born October 7, 1949) is an American heiress to the fortune of Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. She is the daughter of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton and Helen Walton, and sister of S. Robson Walton and Jim Walton. In March 2012, her estimated net worth was US$26.3 billion, making her the second-richest American woman and the tenth-richest American.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Walton
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Walton, Benioff Join Billionaires Backing Clinton in 2016 (Original Post) ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 OP
How selfless of them MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #1
That was sarcasm, wasn't it? 24601 Feb 2014 #3
Got me. nt MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #7
LOL L0oniX Feb 2014 #45
The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Own And Control The Politicians That Own And Control Us cantbeserious Feb 2014 #2
Theme of Continuum lobodons Feb 2014 #11
Wow. Great. TwilightGardener Feb 2014 #4
Wonderful Dopers_Greed Feb 2014 #5
Alice Walton donated 2.4 million to Progress for America. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #6
Benioff and Soros OKNancy Feb 2014 #8
Not all wealthy people support Republican values. Being rich does not make one evil. lumpy Feb 2014 #26
Soros and Benioff - Great packman Feb 2014 #9
Perhaps she is trying to hurt Hillary. She would know how to do that. juajen Feb 2014 #56
Conspiracy time! ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #58
Rich people making sure candidates on both sides will be favorable to businesses, Mass Feb 2014 #10
Soros and Benioff good, Walton bad. Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #12
Shit, shit, shit.... pangaia Feb 2014 #13
Marc Benioff supported Paul Ryan. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #14
The link said he's not a Dem or Repub and will give to, um, I can't remember the exact words-- valerief Feb 2014 #60
He seems to be getting a lot of love in this thread. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #61
That's right. We're like ants to them. nt valerief Feb 2014 #62
Oh joy, at last. Titonwan Feb 2014 #15
Good. Beacool Feb 2014 #16
Doubt it. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #19
That's a misinterpretation of her vote. Beacool Feb 2014 #38
Oh right..... ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #57
If only she'd been warned not to vote for it. Lasher Feb 2014 #69
Hillary sat on the Walmart Board from 1986 through 1992. eom R Merm Feb 2014 #17
Yep, she did. Beacool Feb 2014 #18
Some former Walmart workers R Merm Feb 2014 #23
After he died, things changed. Beacool Feb 2014 #49
How many billionaires are supporting Warren? Zero? Great! reformist2 Feb 2014 #20
This makes me hope that Elizabeth Warren will change her mind, red dog 1 Feb 2014 #21
Well, if the billionaires are OK with it. I guess they'd know best. Pterodactyl Feb 2014 #22
Seeing the Hillary hatred here cosmicone Feb 2014 #24
Ironic. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #30
Oh ...stop the hate will ya ...jeeze! L0oniX Feb 2014 #40
No, you are not Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #35
Repealing Glass-Stegall is the main reason we got screwed in 2008. L0oniX Feb 2014 #42
Hear, hear!!! Beacool Feb 2014 #50
Since this is the system we have, I don't care if billionaires want to fund our guys... Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #25
Not at all DonCoquixote Feb 2014 #28
If it's ok with you, fine. ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #29
Until the system is fixed, we have to play by the rules or lose. Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #31
Do you think Hillary wants the system "fixed"? ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #33
I really don't know. I don't know much about Hillary... Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #41
...or maybe we are loosing by playing by the rules. n/t L0oniX Feb 2014 #39
You're right... Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #44
You imply that if we "play by the rules" we have a chance to win. We dont. I think rhett o rick Feb 2014 #55
The reality is that it takes more than a billion dollars to run a modern presidential campaign. Beacool Feb 2014 #52
"Alice Walton can go from supporting Mitt Romney in 2012 to Hillary Clinton in 2016" L0oniX Feb 2014 #43
Wow. The BBC Phlem Feb 2014 #27
Shop 'til ya drop! nt adirondacker Feb 2014 #32
Vote till you drop too ...for all the good it will do n/t L0oniX Feb 2014 #37
At least we know she's covered and doesn't need donations. Gotta think about savings! NT adirondacker Feb 2014 #46
Yes indeed ...she won't need our money. L0oniX Feb 2014 #47
Wal-Mart is buying in early Kelvin Mace Feb 2014 #34
Billionaires for Clinton 2016. Corporations are the shitz too ...woot ...far out man ...dig it L0oniX Feb 2014 #36
It'll be a lot more interesting to see the GOP nomination fight. 7962 Feb 2014 #48
Turds of a feather ... 1000words Feb 2014 #51
Hillary Clinton, brought by the wealthiest in America. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #53
The naivete is truly astounding in this place. Beacool Feb 2014 #54
And the reason things don't change....... ForgoTheConsequence Feb 2014 #59
We know how he raised over a billion dollars. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #66
Oh dear, now you put me into a double dilemma sadoldgirl Feb 2014 #63
Clinton 2016: You Don't Need No Stinkin' Choices! blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #64
The only person denying you a choice is you... brooklynite Feb 2014 #70
Yay? Orsino Feb 2014 #65
Billionares back Clinton because she IS a corporate shill and will be loyal > YOHABLO Feb 2014 #67
All that time that Hiilary awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #68
I get the impression that Hillary is going to do about as well this time as she did last yurbud Feb 2014 #71
 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. How selfless of them
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:22 PM
Feb 2014

to back a woman who'll fight tirelessly for the downtrodden and reverse policies that subsidize their wealth.

Altruism, indeed.

 

lobodons

(1,290 posts)
11. Theme of Continuum
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:52 PM
Feb 2014

Seems to be the Theme of Continuum only that instead of 65 years in the future, we live it today.

"Set in Vancouver British Columbia, the year is 2077, world governments have fallen and have been bought out by corporations leading to loss of privacy and basic rights."

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
5. Wonderful
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:35 PM
Feb 2014

Looks like these "shareholders" are going to get a big return on their investment... on the American taxpayers' dime.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
6. Alice Walton donated 2.4 million to Progress for America.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:35 PM
Feb 2014

Which (contrary to its name) is a conservative PAC which ran ads supporting George Bush and the Iraq war. She also struck and killed a pedestrian while driving and got off scot-free.


Hillary's Walmart connections are paying off.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
8. Benioff and Soros
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:43 PM
Feb 2014

Everyone knows about Soros and his long-time support of liberal causes. He has given away billions to human rights, education... etc.

Benioff owns salesforce.com. He also gives to worthy causes. $100 million to UCSF Children's Hospital.





ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
58. Conspiracy time!
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:02 PM
Feb 2014

Goldman Sachs is probably just trying to hurt her too, right? It's not like rich people supporting corporate dems and republicans follows any sort of pattern or anything......

Mass

(27,315 posts)
10. Rich people making sure candidates on both sides will be favorable to businesses,
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:51 PM
Feb 2014

Soros is far from perfect, but he has at least a track record supporting Democrats (not sure when it comes to progressives).

Not familiar with Benioff, but giving to charitable entities does not mean you are a progressive. If anything, conservatives want charitable enterprises to perform functions assumed by the state, so I would need more information to be sure

As for Walton, supporting somebody who is known for her business friendly ways that early in the primary is a good move to be sure there will be no primary and no move to the left. No surprise she would go.

So, I am more wary of the effort to anoint Hillary as the nominee rather than having a discussion about what this country should be. Discussions matter. Democracy matters.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
13. Shit, shit, shit....
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:58 PM
Feb 2014

I was just getting some recipes together for Sunday, getting all excited (about the food and a few guests, not the game)
Then I come here to check out stuff, find out what's going on from the good people.
..and I read about this.. (Just the info, FORGO, not your fault. )

We're totally expendable..useless,
We're like the serfs in the 5th century being laid waste by the Franks and the Visigoths.
OR the peasants in 13th century Japan..
OR the peons during the Siege of Baghdad

And FORGO--your comment about her sucking up to Walmart paying off sure hit the kneecap right on the money ! LOTS OF IT.

What a bunch of crap..

valerief

(53,235 posts)
60. The link said he's not a Dem or Repub and will give to, um, I can't remember the exact words--
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:09 PM
Feb 2014

something like whoever will make him richer. At least, that's how I read it.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
61. He seems to be getting a lot of love in this thread.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:12 PM
Feb 2014

It disgusting how "liberals" suck up to the rich when they throw a few tiny crumbs their way.


Guess what people, rich people don't give a fuck about you.

Titonwan

(785 posts)
15. Oh joy, at last.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:00 PM
Feb 2014

"Boy, when I was young, you fought long and hard to make sure a transworld mega corporation kept their end of the bargain. I thank them for their struggle to keep us small and insignificant. Them was some mighty good commercials that made all of us to feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Boy! don't get me started on the cool Boeing and Exxon/BP ads! USA! USA! USA!

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
16. Good.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:24 PM
Feb 2014

The Republicans already have the Koch Brothers and some other billionaires funding anti Hillary PACs.

As for Alice Walton, she is of a similar age as Hillary's. She and Hillary came of age in the 60s, along with the women's movement. Alice may have decided that it's fine time for a woman to be president. Besides, she could be a Democrat for all we know.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
19. Doubt it.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:30 PM
Feb 2014

Democrats don't donate 2.6 million to George Bush and promotion of the Iraq war (the one Hillary supported).

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
57. Oh right.....
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:59 PM
Feb 2014

She was before it before she was against it.


She only voted to authorize, right? She was tricked by Bush, right? Meanwhile millions of us were in the streets saying the war was bullshit yet she chose to go along with Bush, and hundreds of thousands died because of it.


Whether she was naive enough to be tricked by a dumbass like Bush, or she is just plain hungry for war, she was wrong!

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
18. Yep, she did.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:29 PM
Feb 2014

She was the first woman on the board and pushed Sam for more female inclusiveness. Wal-Mart may not have been a champion of their workers then, but it wasn't the evil company that it has become after the old man died.

R Merm

(405 posts)
23. Some former Walmart workers
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:08 PM
Feb 2014

also mentioned the change in the company after the old mad died. They said prior to his death they received small but regular increases in pay that added up over time, after his death the increases ended.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
49. After he died, things changed.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:17 PM
Feb 2014

This article seems to be a fair assessment of the company. Like most things in life, it's not a black and white issue. In some areas of the country it's either working for Wal-Mart or some place that's even worse.

Critics of Wal-Mart call the homespun stuff a fraud, a calculated strategy to put a human face on a relentlessly profit-minded corporation. What is paradoxical and suspect to people outside Wal-Mart, however, is perfectly normal to the people who work there. It reflects a deal that Sam Walton, Wal-Mart's founder, made with the people who worked for him.

"If you're good to people, and fair with them, and demanding of them, they will eventually decide that you're on their side," Walton says in his autobiography, Made in America (co-written with Time Inc. editorial director and former FORTUNE managing editor John Huey). Mr. Sam's--in Wal-Mart parlance Walton is always "Mr. Sam"--frequent appearances in the stores testified to the deal. Longtime associates recall that at each store he visited he would pull some crackers off the shelf and set up shop in the back of the store, chatting with associates and listening to their concerns. "You would be working away and out of the blue Mr. Sam's voice would come over the PA system," recalls Sheila Kaylor, a Wal-Mart worker who met Sam Walton several times, in Waco, Ky. "He was so real and so down to earth."

But the deal was a lot more than just a matter of the occasional visit from Mr. Sam. Wal-Mart demonstrated its concern for workers in many ways that were small but specific: time and a half for work on Sundays, an "open door" policy that let workers bring concerns to managers at any level, the real chance of promotion (about 70% percent of store managers started as hourly associates). In her book Nickel and Dimed, left-wing social critic Barbara Ehrenreich, who spent a week working in a Wal-Mart store in Minnesota, complains, "Why would anybody put up with the wages we were paid?" That original deal--all those unquantifiable things that fall under "good" and "fair"--is a big part of the answer. It was a deal, in short, that promised Wal-Mart would be different--more human, more caring--than any other employer in the low-wage service sector.

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My mother was an employee of Sam's," says Marsha Wardingly, a ten-year Sam's Club partner (the Sam's Club equivalent to "associate&quot who is active in the union drive. "It was a really good place to work. You got time and a half on Sundays. That disappeared six months to the day after Sam died. They just took so much away from us. One day we would get raises a dollar an hour at a time, and then next they started rating us for raises of 10 to 50 cents." (Wardingly's memory differs insignificantly from Wal-Mart's: The company notes that time and a half stopped before Walton died but after he retired, and that raises are now generally between 25 and 60 cents an hour.) Sam's Club partners point not just to specific losses in benefits or pervasive understaffing but also to a more general deterioration in the relationship with management. "When you went to work at a Sam's Club, they would say, 'This is your Sam's Club,' " says Frank Lupiani, a nine-year employee. "Now they don't trust anyone."

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2002/03/18/319920/

red dog 1

(27,817 posts)
21. This makes me hope that Elizabeth Warren will change her mind,
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:51 PM
Feb 2014

and run against Clinton in 2016.


I like George Soros.

Benioff & Walton?..not so much.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
30. Ironic.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:50 PM
Feb 2014

When I read about Hillary's support of fracking, the Iraq war, TPP, Wall Street, keystone xl, etc I wonder if my party has become the Republican Party.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
42. Repealing Glass-Stegall is the main reason we got screwed in 2008.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:05 PM
Feb 2014

Thanks a lot Bill. Of course we haven't had enough of this so now we are going to get Hillary to continue with this kind of shit storm raining down on us. Jeeze and I see a lot of griping about how repukes vote against their better interests ...someone needs to look in the mirror.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
25. Since this is the system we have, I don't care if billionaires want to fund our guys...
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:35 PM
Feb 2014

I wouldn't care if they gave to Hillary or Elizabeth or whatever. It's important that we aren't drown out by the likes of the Koch Brothers.

Though it's curious Alice Walton can go from supporting Mitt Romney in 2012 to Hillary Clinton in 2016.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
28. Not at all
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:48 PM
Feb 2014

Alice is trying to sweeten her image since her little Philanthropic Museum wound up getting bad press.

http://www.npr.org/2011/11/12/142270045/wal-mart-heiress-show-puts-a-high-price-on-art

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-13/wal-mart-heiress-s-museum-a-moral-blight-commentary-by-jeffrey-goldberg.html

http://www.artnews.com/2012/01/12/american-art-alice-walton%E2%80%99s-way/

In short, it is the old idea of "I can be great no matter how much wealth I have stolen, because philanthropy will force people to love me."

Except it won't, because people realize that for every good thing you do, you will do three bad.

So any surprise Alice and Hillary are friends?

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
29. If it's ok with you, fine.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:48 PM
Feb 2014

Personally I'm not ok with getting rendered invisible because I don't have billions to throw around. Nothing about Clinton's policies or rhetoric tell me that she will take money from the billionaires in order to push an agenda that helps the working class and working poor in this country. I'd prefer to have a seat at the table.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
31. Until the system is fixed, we have to play by the rules or lose.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:59 PM
Feb 2014

It's pretty much that simple. I don't like it, but damn if it isn't the system we have right now.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
41. I really don't know. I don't know much about Hillary...
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:04 PM
Feb 2014

I didn't support her in '08, as I backed Obama instead, but since her role as SoS kept her from political matters, I don't know if she shares Obama's opposition to Citizens United.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
44. You're right...
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:06 PM
Feb 2014

In the short term, we are losing. In the long term? The only way we can change the system is by getting those politicians in who want to change it. I don't know if Hillary is that person, but I believe someone like Warren would be - and if the only way getting her elected is by raising gobs of cash to compete with the right-wing PACs? Do it. Do it yesterday. It sucks, but I remember 2004 and how heavily outspent Kerry was. It hurt. It killed his campaign in the summer months, especially when those PACs went after his military record and he didn't have the funds to combat 'em. It killed him and helped reelect Bush.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
55. You imply that if we "play by the rules" we have a chance to win. We dont. I think
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:38 PM
Feb 2014

the Powers To Be anointing Clinton-Sachs as president will just about finish us.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
52. The reality is that it takes more than a billion dollars to run a modern presidential campaign.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:26 PM
Feb 2014

Do you prefer that these billionaires donate their money to conservative PACs?

Woulda, coulda, shoulda doesn't work in politics. This is the current reality.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
43. "Alice Walton can go from supporting Mitt Romney in 2012 to Hillary Clinton in 2016"
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:06 PM
Feb 2014

Like the mafia hit man says "It's just business".

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
27. Wow. The BBC
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:45 PM
Feb 2014

Billionaires Backing Clinton, oy!

Well one can only imagine how that administration's going to function.

Yeay Money!

-p

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
34. Wal-Mart is buying in early
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 05:35 PM
Feb 2014

So, we can kiss good bye and Wall Street reform. It will be more of the same right-wing policies pretending to be "centrist"

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
36. Billionaires for Clinton 2016. Corporations are the shitz too ...woot ...far out man ...dig it
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 05:57 PM
Feb 2014

Everything will be great once the billionaires are allowed to give us more of those wonderful good jobs ...because they are such loving charitable humans.

Makes me sick! This party is going down the corporate war luv'n tubes. Wal-mart will be selling cheap made in China constitution toilet paper before this is over.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
48. It'll be a lot more interesting to see the GOP nomination fight.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:11 PM
Feb 2014

Now that the long time front runner, Christie, has tarnished himself, there really is no front runner like Hillary. You could say Romney, but I dont think he has the desire to go through it again. Jeb? The "smart one" who shouldve run in 2000? Do the people really want another Bush/Clinton election?
Only way the Dems lose is if Hillary DOESNT run. I know that ruffles a few DU feathers, but name recognition is everything these days. So may people dont even know who their own Governor is. Plus they feel like they get Bill as a bonus to back her up. Biden? He'll be 74. Warren? Sure a lot of folks here love her, but she has to win the independents and most dont know her, plus she says she wont run. Of course, so did Hillary, but...... Who else as a snowballs chance?
If Hillary decides not to run, '16 will probably be the most wide-open contest in my lifetime; probably longer.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
53. Hillary Clinton, brought by the wealthiest in America.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:28 PM
Feb 2014

Now whose interests do you think she will put first? Ours or theirs?

She needs to make her choice very clear before the nomination.

We will be watching. I have voted strictly Democratic most of my life, but ????? I have to have a reason to vote Democratic in 2016. And It needs to be a good one. Because I am tired of Democrats who govern for the 1% and not for the whole nation.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
54. The naivete is truly astounding in this place.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:31 PM
Feb 2014

How do you all think that Obama raised over a billion dollars, $5 at a time???????

Presidential campaigns cost a fortune, regardless of who is the nominee.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
59. And the reason things don't change.......
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:07 PM
Feb 2014

Is because every time it's brought up people like you say "that's just the way things are" and the circle continues. Some of us are tired of settling.


When it impacts your quality of life, when your job is exported, when the banks take your home, when you can't afford to go to the doctor or dentist even when you have insurance you'll join us.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
66. We know how he raised over a billion dollars.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:41 PM
Feb 2014

We saw the effects when the banks were bailed out, and not one of the major bankers was tried for fraud or violation of banking laws. Our country paid dealy for every dollar that Obama got from big business.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
63. Oh dear, now you put me into a double dilemma
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:16 PM
Feb 2014

This year I have to vote/or not for an uncontested senator, who not only supports fracking, but is also an honorary board member of the Third way. After the recent votes in Virginia we know that even 11 can make a difference. By the way the (R) opponent would be a tea party loose cannon.
Now you pose a similar dilemma for me for 2016! I really don't know when I can vote again without running to the bathroom right afterwards.

brooklynite

(94,597 posts)
70. The only person denying you a choice is you...
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 12:57 PM
Feb 2014

...what have YOU done to get a progressive to commit to running? Or are you just going to wait and complain?

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
67. Billionares back Clinton because she IS a corporate shill and will be loyal >
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 01:54 AM
Feb 2014

I honestly don't see 'it' for the Republicans in 2016 .. but Hillary, for the rich, is the lesser of two evils, say an Elizabeth Warren or a Bernie Sanders .. get it? She will be 8 years of the same old ''trying to bring both parties together'' by appeasing the Republican agenda. I don't trust her.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
71. I get the impression that Hillary is going to do about as well this time as she did last
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 02:09 AM
Feb 2014

she has a tin ear for the American public if she sought out these endorsements.

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