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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:44 PM Jan 2014

Christie Knew About Bridge Lane Closings, Port Authority Official Says

Source: New York Times

The former Port Authority official who personally oversaw the lane closings on the George Washington Bridge in the scandal now swirling around Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Friday that the governor knew about the lane closings when they were happening, and that he had the evidence to prove it.

In a letter released by his lawyer, the official, David Wildstein, a high school friend of Mr. Christie’s who was appointed with the governor’s blessing at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which controls the bridge, described the order to close the lanes as “the Christie administration’s order” and said “evidence exists as well tying Mr. Christie to having knowledge of the lane closures, during the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated publicly in a two-hour press conference” three weeks ago.

“Mr. Wildstein contests the accuracy of various statements that the governor made about him and he can prove the inaccuracy of some,” the letter added.

The letter marked the first signal that Mr. Christie may have been aware of the closings, something he repeatedly denied during a two-hour press conference earlier this month.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/nyregion/christie-bridge.html



Buh-bye, The Bully™
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Christie Knew About Bridge Lane Closings, Port Authority Official Says (Original Post) onehandle Jan 2014 OP
Time to play DOMINOES! Squinch Jan 2014 #1
And there they go! randome Jan 2014 #17
DU this POLL MuhkRahker Jan 2014 #133
'Impeach him' is winning but by a surprisingly small margin! Squinch Jan 2014 #134
Perhaps because it is debatable if it is an impeachable offense Fortinbras Armstrong Feb 2014 #156
If Hoboken had to do something to get their Sandy money, rocktivity Feb 2014 #170
Link: jsr Jan 2014 #2
I knew this would be the guy singing leftynyc Jan 2014 #3
& he is singing a lot!!! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #60
Christie is so mad when the Port Authority decided to raise the wages SummerSnow Jan 2014 #69
Greedy a$$hole. Cha Jan 2014 #120
NOOOOO he didn't. Sinnakka Feb 2014 #147
No, someone ELSE reported it, she just repeated it on the air. George II Jan 2014 #90
of course he 'knew'- because he ignored the mayors communications about traffic jam. Sunlei Feb 2014 #161
It's about time Scairp Jan 2014 #83
Checkmate! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #4
Something tells me he's not Christie's close personal friend anymore. woodsprite Jan 2014 #5
According to Christy (for what that's worth) they never were friends. Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #21
the difference is that Christie is tryng to distance himself from this guy. olddad56 Jan 2014 #29
Wildstein stopped being Christie's personal friend halfway through his press conference... George II Jan 2014 #91
LOL nt SunSeeker Feb 2014 #172
Look who got immunity! cui bono Jan 2014 #6
No immunity yet leftynyc Jan 2014 #56
You make enough people mad at you Gman Jan 2014 #7
& he's got a LOTof people mad at him!!!! tulsakatz Jan 2014 #64
Na Na Na Na Hey Hey Hey Goodbye TheMathieu Jan 2014 #8
Welcome to DU, TheMathieu! calimary Jan 2014 #33
Yes, I remember it well rocktivity Jan 2014 #80
I was living 10 blocks SE of the Capitol that day displacedtexan Jan 2014 #116
And he did suck. Bigtime. Hey, he earned every one of those signs, too! calimary Jan 2014 #131
.... DeSwiss Feb 2014 #154
So Wally Edge spoke eh? JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #9
Thanks Gen.. from your link.. Cha Jan 2014 #121
Drip, drip,drip turning into a flood! n/t DippyDem Jan 2014 #10
I feel the stirrings of a resignation in the works. TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #11
Christie won't resign. Jackpine Radical Jan 2014 #14
I don't know. It's not just this, he's embattled on several fronts--at some point he TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #15
They'll still have to pry him from the levers of power. Jackpine Radical Jan 2014 #20
How about "hogmarch"? Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #27
I was (sorta) trying to stay away from discriminatory references to weight. Jackpine Radical Jan 2014 #34
I figured! But hog rhymes with frog. Auntie Bush Jan 2014 #141
In that case I grant you absolution for your politically incorrect comment. Jackpine Radical Feb 2014 #159
Rhinocerus march n/t cosmicone Jan 2014 #43
He's way too arrogant to resign. SummerSnow Jan 2014 #78
Agree... ewagner Jan 2014 #86
Not yet. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #12
LOL! The Feds will be coming for Christie. He will resign. nt onehandle Jan 2014 #53
Until that happens, they will continue to slobber all over him. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #54
thank goodness the feds will have no choice at some point questionseverything Jan 2014 #87
Game! SET! And Match to Perp walk on tv as breaking news. Can't wait to see Rachel Tonight. diabeticman Jan 2014 #13
Yeah, no shit!!!! calimary Jan 2014 #25
Oops. nt sufrommich Jan 2014 #16
What!!! Are they saying christie lied? What are all these shrills going to do who were polluting lostincalifornia Jan 2014 #18
Here we go... RedSpartan Jan 2014 #19
I just saw this reported on MSNBC, and all I can say about Christie's future is: jenmito Jan 2014 #22
Uh-oh... calimary Jan 2014 #23
Maybe Christie will decide he wants to spend more time with his family. Jim__ Jan 2014 #24
The government needs to take his passport NOW jmowreader Jan 2014 #45
Mittens will provide him a private jet in the night to the Caymans SummerSnow Jan 2014 #79
what? fuck no Skittles Jan 2014 #105
So would I but that doesn't address the larger problem jmowreader Jan 2014 #107
Hey Rudy! How are those 50/50 odds working for you? no_hypocrisy Jan 2014 #26
Strange no big News Alert from my CNN News Android app itsrobert Jan 2014 #28
I got one from the local ABC news here in NY leftynyc Jan 2014 #42
Still? They introduced it as breaking news about an hr ago... countryjake Jan 2014 #96
Yeah, they are covering Christie heavily now. itsrobert Jan 2014 #98
I'm just waiting for his head to explode... countryjake Jan 2014 #104
It was all over CNN yesterday. grahamhgreen Feb 2014 #166
yes, they got a late start over MSNBC itsrobert Feb 2014 #167
Recall Christie and Guardano. no_hypocrisy Jan 2014 #30
So sad BeyondGeography Jan 2014 #31
That ruined Christie's Super Bowl flamingdem Jan 2014 #32
.. Cha Jan 2014 #122
Happy Friday Cha! flamingdem Jan 2014 #126
Mahalo, flamingdem and, Aloha Friday as we like to say here Cha Jan 2014 #130
I never get tired of that pic! SunSeeker Feb 2014 #173
It's classic Cha Feb 2014 #174
pass the popcorn! eom Maeve Jan 2014 #35
I am going to make sure I tune in to Joe and Mika and see how they mfcorey1 Jan 2014 #36
Move along, nothing to see, probably... nt winstars Jan 2014 #65
Or, they could go after Wildstein, hammer and tong. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #72
Its going to be a laughfest to see Joe cry and whine.lol SummerSnow Jan 2014 #81
I was wondering this myself Mike Daniels Jan 2014 #102
Once the Port Authority threw him to the curb re legal costs, it was only... Spazito Jan 2014 #37
Wildstein was getting boxed like a Cha Jan 2014 #123
Yep, and seeing as Wildstein was pivotal, the pointman between the Port Authority... Spazito Jan 2014 #125
Unreal! Throwing Wildstein to the People of New Jersey was Cha Jan 2014 #129
It really does boggle the mind how arrogant they all were.... Spazito Jan 2014 #132
It's unravelling faster than a WalMart sweater. longship Jan 2014 #38
We need one more piece of the puzzle, and we'll probably get it jmowreader Jan 2014 #39
That wont work leftynyc Jan 2014 #44
I know that and you know that, but the average Faux News viewer doesn't jmowreader Jan 2014 #48
What will they say if he resigns? leftynyc Jan 2014 #52
How did you guess? jmowreader Feb 2014 #145
LOL - you have a way with words leftynyc Feb 2014 #149
Here ya go leftynyc Jan 2014 #50
ED, PA, GWB, TBT, PAPD? Ptah Jan 2014 #61
Here you go leftynyc Jan 2014 #66
Thanks, leftynyc. Ptah Jan 2014 #68
No problem leftynyc Jan 2014 #71
Good ol Pat Foye! Cha Jan 2014 #124
Foye is a real hero here leftynyc Feb 2014 #148
I'm watching Rachel now online.. taking Cha Feb 2014 #150
I'm going to try and catch Kornacki's show leftynyc Feb 2014 #153
"I am not a crook" and bucolic_frolic Jan 2014 #40
I guess I have to go back to the christie lie-a-thon ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #41
Excellent point. QuestForSense Jan 2014 #75
But if Christie didn't know about the closures until they happened rocktivity Jan 2014 #85
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #109
You CAN argue consciousness of guilt in between. n/t rocktivity Jan 2014 #135
No you can't; nut, okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2014 #139
Isn't Waldstein a Beethoven Sonata? lostincalifornia Jan 2014 #46
Yes it is - good catch: Mira Jan 2014 #51
excellent. I could not resist thanks lostincalifornia Jan 2014 #106
But you know Christie's favorite is the Slammerklavier Blue Owl Feb 2014 #165
That is good lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #169
R#56 & K, but CRISPIE says they were NOT high school FRIENDS, barely ACQUAINTNCES!1 n/t UTUSN Jan 2014 #47
I can't wait to see how Faux handles this Dopers_Greed Jan 2014 #49
What bridge closings? Benghazi! IRS! Rev. Wright! Faygo Kid Jan 2014 #55
Boom! Javaman Jan 2014 #57
A bad day.. Gary 50 Jan 2014 #58
We who have insight to Repug behavior mstinamotorcity2 Jan 2014 #59
This is big, its on MSNBC right now. SummerSnow Jan 2014 #62
As much as I am enjoying the NJ drama.. Sinnakka Jan 2014 #63
Now, that this came out... SummerSnow Jan 2014 #76
His presidental hopes now sleep with the fishes rocktivity Jan 2014 #92
He done blowed up real good! Arugula Latte Jan 2014 #67
Well, then... LuckyTheDog Jan 2014 #70
I'm reading a lot of whining about how Boroni seems to be getting special treatment rocktivity Jan 2014 #73
And the truth will set you free,,,,,, SmittynMo Jan 2014 #74
More from the Bergen Record.... George II Jan 2014 #77
thanks for that George.. I like Cha Jan 2014 #128
Something tells me AC_Mem Jan 2014 #82
Let's see if he can host from jail spinbaby Jan 2014 #84
Christie's Statement notundecided Jan 2014 #88
Christie is toast. Beacool Jan 2014 #89
I wonder what things he would have done if he had made it to the White House. WhoWoodaKnew Jan 2014 #93
The plot thickens Jack Rabbit Jan 2014 #94
he's done.... Sancho Jan 2014 #95
All of the material that is in the pubic domain came from Wildstein Gothmog Jan 2014 #97
He shouldnt be granted immunity though unless he has rock solid evidence cstanleytech Feb 2014 #158
Now we know . . . another_liberal Jan 2014 #99
I'll take March 17th in the Christie is gone pool Botany Jan 2014 #100
It took a year and a half to dump Nixon once it was clear that Watergate wasn't just a third rate Jack Rabbit Jan 2014 #115
Maybe, but ... onwardsand upwards Feb 2014 #177
of course he did Skittles Jan 2014 #101
Here is Christie's lawyer's response Gothmog Jan 2014 #103
... BumRushDaShow Jan 2014 #108
Impeach the fucker gopiscrap Jan 2014 #110
"He Knew" cleduc Jan 2014 #111
Barbra Streisand said (sang) it best: NastyRiffraff Jan 2014 #112
Bridget Kelly will have the way more damaging goods. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #175
TOO BIG TO FAIL blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #113
We're not supposed to be making fat jokes! jmowreader Feb 2014 #146
Just went over to Fox News web site. Not one mention. Not one. Faygo Kid Jan 2014 #114
They have it now (via NYT) IDemo Jan 2014 #136
Begins to sound like this could be over quickly bucolic_frolic Jan 2014 #117
Do I detect the odor of burned toast? MH1 Jan 2014 #118
".. something he repeatedly denied.." HA! Cha Jan 2014 #119
However, the language of the letter can be interpreted in several ways. elleng Jan 2014 #127
Turn out the light's the party's over Chris. ArnoldLayne Jan 2014 #137
Stick a fork in him tavalon Jan 2014 #138
But, what about El Shaman Jan 2014 #140
Too much shit and El Shaman Jan 2014 #142
"I am not a bully." Coyotl Feb 2014 #143
I'm trying not to get too excited about this... cash__whatiwant Feb 2014 #144
Ruh roh. It ainta lookin any better, is it? tblue Feb 2014 #151
Somebody clue me ... why is this thread full of backflips and comments about 'toast' and such? brett_jv Feb 2014 #152
REALLY?? do you believe for EVEN.ONE.SECOND that if that's was all there was about CRISPIE's guilt- Ecumenist Feb 2014 #157
Hmmm ... brett_jv Feb 2014 #162
Well, we can agree to disagree because I think people are giving him WAY too much Ecumenist Feb 2014 #171
^ This WhoWoodaKnew Feb 2014 #185
I knew it. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #155
I wish we had guys like him on our side RedstDem Feb 2014 #160
You already do. onwardsand upwards Feb 2014 #178
does this person have a name? RedstDem Feb 2014 #179
There are plenty of bullies in the Democratic Party onwardsand upwards Feb 2014 #180
I thought he was a republican? RedstDem Feb 2014 #181
He's definitely a Dem! onwardsand upwards Feb 2014 #182
it was a joke RedstDem Feb 2014 #183
That's a relief! onwardsand upwards Feb 2014 #184
Christie reminds me of the little boy with his finger in the dam. olegramps Feb 2014 #163
Buh bye Crispy workinclasszero Feb 2014 #164
The GOP has an answer for everything calguy Feb 2014 #168
You know it's bad for Christie when even Fox is reporting this. SunSeeker Feb 2014 #176
K&R tabasco Feb 2014 #186
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. And there they go!
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:08 PM
Jan 2014

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
[/center][/font][hr]

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
156. Perhaps because it is debatable if it is an impeachable offense
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:17 AM
Feb 2014

I live in Illinois, where former governor Rod Blagojevich was impeached in 2009. The basic charge in this case was soliciting a bribe, which one must admit is an impeachable offense. Shutting down several lanes of traffic over a bridge and lying about it? Probably not.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
170. If Hoboken had to do something to get their Sandy money,
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 05:19 PM
Feb 2014

or if Sea Bright and Bellville got their funding because they DID do something, those are crimes because they involve federal funding.

And if Christie's version of the lane closure is true, he would have fired everyone a month earlier. If it's true that he tried to stop someone at the PA from investigating it, he's also guilty of obstruction. Not enough to put him in jail, perhaps, but more than enough to get him out of politics.


rocktivity

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
3. I knew this would be the guy singing
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jan 2014

like a canary. People thought the woman he fired but this dude has been asking for immunity since the beginning. He's ready to roll all over Christie.

tulsakatz

(3,122 posts)
60. & he is singing a lot!!!
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:47 PM
Jan 2014

Rachel reported a few days ago that the Port Authority is not paying for his legal bills. He might as well talk!!




SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
69. Christie is so mad when the Port Authority decided to raise the wages
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:57 PM
Jan 2014

of Kennedy Airport and LaGuardia Airport employees (NYC) Cuomo said yes, Christie said not for Newark International Airport workers (NJ).

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/christie-drop-dead-article-1.1595970

Christie says drop dead


Sinnakka

(13 posts)
147. NOOOOO he didn't.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 01:52 AM
Feb 2014

He's not interested because there is nothing in it for him, his family members, or his boo GEN.Samson. LOL. Thanks for posting that Summer.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
161. of course he 'knew'- because he ignored the mayors communications about traffic jam.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 11:12 AM
Feb 2014

Just like when Boehner didn't return President Obamas communication. Our country should never have people in political positions who ignore communication- for any reason.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
83. It's about time
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jan 2014

This guy is the biggest dope for holding out so long. Hell, Christie not only threw his friend of like 25 years under the bus, he was driving the bus. He totally disavowed him as a long-time close friend, which is an easy lie to disprove, so why he did that is a mystery to me. I don't know why any of the people who did his bidding and are paying the price would keep their mouths shut at this point. Now it's Bridget Kelly's turn to talk. That will be the most interesting testimony of all.

woodsprite

(11,916 posts)
5. Something tells me he's not Christie's close personal friend anymore.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:50 PM
Jan 2014

Rats....Sinking ship.....

Let's just hope there's a whole flock of canaries in NJ!

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
21. According to Christy (for what that's worth) they never were friends.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:12 PM
Jan 2014

Just acquaintances in the same school. Actually I don't know what difference it makes.

George II

(67,782 posts)
91. Wildstein stopped being Christie's personal friend halfway through his press conference...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:40 PM
Jan 2014

...when he denied they were friends and he hadn't seen him for 26 years. Yeah, but, how did he get such a big and important job at the Port Authority if they weren't close? HAH!

I think we'll be seeing this scene one of these days:

Gman

(24,780 posts)
7. You make enough people mad at you
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:51 PM
Jan 2014

And they'll pile on to get you. Christie, being the bully, had no clue.

calimary

(81,350 posts)
33. Welcome to DU, TheMathieu!
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:17 PM
Jan 2014

Glad you're here! I LOVE that song! My kid went to the inauguration of Barack Obama as President back in January 2009, and was in the crowd near the area where the bush helicopter lifted off, taking him away from Washington and OUR White House for the last time (One SPLENDID Moment!) and reported to me how everyone was singing that song as they watched the helicopter fly away. I was watching on TV and was singing along!

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
116. I was living 10 blocks SE of the Capitol that day
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 08:40 PM
Jan 2014

The neighbors and I held up signs for the bushes as the helicopter circled the neighborhood. My sign read: YOU SUCK, BUSH! Some of the other signs weren't as kind.

calimary

(81,350 posts)
131. And he did suck. Bigtime. Hey, he earned every one of those signs, too!
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:26 PM
Jan 2014

The only "work" he really ever did.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
9. So Wally Edge spoke eh?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:54 PM
Jan 2014
This is going to get gooooood.


From earlier this week - http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2014/01/another_cover-up_in_chris_chri.html Hunterdon County is a Republican stronghold. If Wally starts talking - I think others will . . . if they think they can save themselves.

Cha

(297,375 posts)
121. Thanks Gen.. from your link..
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:57 PM
Jan 2014
"And now, we are reminded of the accusations of Ben Barlyn, a former Hunterdon County prosecutor who says he was fired because he refused to drop a case against a Christie ally. For the past year, he’s been striving to prove his story, paying through the nose for a civil lawsuit against the state while telling it to anyone who will listen.

Barlyn says that after he secured an indictment in 2010 against Hunterdon County Sheriff Deborah Trout, a Republican with political ties to Christie, he was fired and the case hastily killed by Christie’s appointed attorney general at the time, Paula Dow. The real story isn’t the mundane crimes that were alleged: hiring without proper background checks, making employees sign loyalty oaths, threatening critics and producing fake police badges for a prominent Christie donor. It’s the possible abuse of power by the administration’s head prosecutor."



Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
14. Christie won't resign.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:02 PM
Jan 2014

Betcha. They'll have to frogmarch him out of office. In hi case, "toadmarch" would be the better term.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
15. I don't know. It's not just this, he's embattled on several fronts--at some point he
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jan 2014

won't be effective at all in his job.

lostincalifornia

(3,639 posts)
18. What!!! Are they saying christie lied? What are all these shrills going to do who were polluting
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:09 PM
Jan 2014

the airwaves saying that he would not have lied about it

Geez, does that mean I cannot rely on the MSM for accuracy?

calimary

(81,350 posts)
23. Uh-oh...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jan 2014

Uh-OH!

I have thoroughly enjoyed the ongoing slow-roasting of chris christie - but methinks THIS just turned the temperature up!

Jim__

(14,078 posts)
24. Maybe Christie will decide he wants to spend more time with his family.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:14 PM
Jan 2014

He's done all he can for the good of the country, now he's going take some time and relax.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
45. The government needs to take his passport NOW
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:25 PM
Jan 2014

Otherwise Christie will pop up in Dubai or Macau, both of which have three things very attractive to Governor Goodyear: free-flowing booze, lots of opportunities in the gaming industry, and no extradition treaty with the US.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
107. So would I but that doesn't address the larger problem
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 07:14 PM
Jan 2014

If we allow our politicians to flee the country after felonies, new and even more evil Republican atrocities will emerge.

Mark my words: if Chris Christie doesn't get sentenced to scrub pots in some dungeon hellhole, America is no more.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
28. Strange no big News Alert from my CNN News Android app
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:15 PM
Jan 2014

Seems like they rather cover Beiber and Rodman.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
42. I got one from the local ABC news here in NY
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jan 2014

titled "What did he know and when did he know it", new info........

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
96. Still? They introduced it as breaking news about an hr ago...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jan 2014

and that's about all they've talked about since.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
104. I'm just waiting for his head to explode...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jan 2014


(credit goes to kpete's "tick tick tick" thread)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024422628

He's supposedly about to "respond" now.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
167. yes, they got a late start over MSNBC
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 02:47 PM
Feb 2014

but they covered it a lot as soon as they broke away from promoting their exclusive Rodman and Obama interviews.

Mike Daniels

(5,842 posts)
102. I was wondering this myself
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 07:00 PM
Jan 2014

Joe will probably spend as much time as possible offering his analysis about the Super Bowl on Monday and provide cover by saying we need to reserve judgement until the evidence is made public.

Eventually they'll have to account for their fawning over Christie nonstop if things continue to fall apart.

Spazito

(50,393 posts)
37. Once the Port Authority threw him to the curb re legal costs, it was only...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jan 2014

a matter of time before Wildstein blew the whistle on Christie, imo. I love that he has evidence of Christie's knowledge of the bridge closing, I suspect someone who did screen captures of instant messages DOES have the evidence on Christie he claims to have.

Cha

(297,375 posts)
123. Wildstein was getting boxed like a
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:02 PM
Jan 2014

cornered rat.. what did they think would happen? Sounds like they ODed on hubris, Spazito.

Spazito

(50,393 posts)
125. Yep, and seeing as Wildstein was pivotal, the pointman between the Port Authority...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:11 PM
Jan 2014

and Christie and his inner circle, he would have info/evidence from both sides which could put both Christie AND Samson in legal jeopardy. Wildstein even made screen captures of instant messages, as was shown by the one included in his document package submitted to the original investigating committee, which says to me this guy saved EVERYTHING in order to protect himself re this issue and possibly others as well.

He's not going down alone, that's for sure!

Cha

(297,375 posts)
129. Unreal! Throwing Wildstein to the People of New Jersey was
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:19 PM
Jan 2014

as stupid as Closing the Bridges and all the other Bully Crap that Christie pulled on his way to the White House 2016!



Spazito

(50,393 posts)
132. It really does boggle the mind how arrogant they all were....
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:28 PM
Jan 2014

so sure they could do things as blatant as the bridge closure and the attempt to blackmail the Mayor of Hoboken into doing their bidding and get away with it. 'Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.'

longship

(40,416 posts)
38. It's unravelling faster than a WalMart sweater.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jan 2014

Christie Cream shouldn't have thrown those people under the bus. Bridget Kelly's all queued up to sing next.

Christie Cream ==> Crispy Christie

He's done.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
39. We need one more piece of the puzzle, and we'll probably get it
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jan 2014

It's nice that we knew Christie "was aware" of the closings, and that catches him in a lie.

Problem is, if Dickhead Christie then comes back with "Rogue elements of my administration decided to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge for reasons we don't yet know. I was kept out of the loop until the very end. As soon as I found out about the closings I ordered those bastards to get those lanes open and they did it," he comes off as a hero.

What we really need is proof he ordered the closings. Since there's a better than 50-percent chance Christie really did order the closings and Christie's underlings really don't want to find out what federal prison is like, we'll probably get it.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
44. That wont work
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:25 PM
Jan 2014

There is already a mountain of paperwork that shows that one of the NY port authority guys got the lane opened again after saying what they were doing was illegal. I'll try and find a link.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
48. I know that and you know that, but the average Faux News viewer doesn't
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:27 PM
Jan 2014

If Christie says he got the lanes open, half the country will believe him. Perception is key, and way too many people perceive all Republicans as saints. Hell, out here in the wild, wild west there are still a lot of people who think Larry Craig got railroaded.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
145. How did you guess?
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:54 AM
Feb 2014

If he gets frogmarched, the evil socialist gay Muslim (you know, the one who has a beautiful wife, two beautiful daughters, a controversial Christian minister and who only doubled the DJIA in five years...either he's the worst gay man, worst Muslim and worst socialist on the planet or someone's lying to us) will only have done it to keep people from talking about Benghazi.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
149. LOL - you have a way with words
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:30 AM
Feb 2014

I'm still waiting for them to make up their minds whether he's an incompetent boob or a tyrannical fascist with illusions of taking over this country. As for Christie - he's done. He may serve out his term but this is going to be going on for awhile - especially if his office begins to hold back documents or fight subpoenas. He'll never get nominated with this on his head. I'm curious about the reception he's going to get at the Super Bowl.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
50. Here ya go
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jan 2014

snip
One email from Port Authority Executive Director Patrick Foye dated Sept. 13, the final day of the lane closures, reads:
“After reading last night’s media pendings, I made inquiries and received calls on this matter which is very troubling. Here is what I learned: reversing over 25 years of PA GWB operations, the three lanes in Fort Lee eastbound to the GWB were reduced to one lane on Monday of this week without notifying Fort Lee, the commuting public we serve, the ED or Media,” it began.
“A decision of this magnitude should be made only after careful deliberation and upon sign off by the ED. Reports are that Fort Lee has experienced severe traffic delays engulfing the entire Fort Lee area since Monday. I am appalled by the lack of process failure to inform our customers and Fort Lee and most of all by the dangers created to the public interest, so I am reversing this decision now effective as soon as TBT and PAPD tell me it is safe to do so today,” Foye’s email continued.


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/01/10/more-documents-set-to-be-released-in-gwb-lane-closure-scandal/

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
66. Here you go
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jan 2014

PA - Port Authority
GWB - George Washington Bridge
TBT - Tunnels, bridges, terminals
PAPD - Port Authority Police Department (an organization that took a huge hit on 9/11)
ED - not sure, Executive Director is a guess

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
148. Foye is a real hero here
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:26 AM
Feb 2014

Not many people were ready to take on Christie and his machine but Foye didn't give a shit. I'm watching a tivo of Rachel's Fri show and like her, I'm ready to see what those subpoenas on Monday. I'm thinking Christie isn't going to be enjoying being front and center at the Superbowl as much as he was expecting.

Cha

(297,375 posts)
150. I'm watching Rachel now online.. taking
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 03:50 AM
Feb 2014

little breaks.

This "letter" of Wildstein's came out just in the nick of time to put a crimp in Christie's Super Bowl Party.

Guess I should thank Christie for throwing Wildstein so far under the bus that he hardly ever knew the man existed.. you know.. the one who he got the job at PA!

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
153. I'm going to try and catch Kornacki's show
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 06:32 AM
Feb 2014

at 8 - his having working with Wildstein has brought a real insider view of NJ politics and, according to Rachel, is going to break some news on this.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
41. I guess I have to go back to the christie lie-a-thon ...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:23 PM
Jan 2014

but I don't know the worth of stating:

“evidence exists as well tying Mr. Christie to having knowledge of the lane closures, during the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated publicly in a two-hour press conference” three weeks ago.


Everyone in NJ and NY knew of the closure during the period when the lanes were closed. To be of worth, Christie would have had to know of the closure plans BEFORE they were put into effect. And the orders coming from his office, doesn't quite get us there.

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
85. But if Christie didn't know about the closures until they happened
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:26 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Fri Jan 31, 2014, 07:27 PM - Edit history (1)

THAT'S when he should have started investigating and firing people, not a month later. That's what an innocent, honest man would have done. And that's what's going to do him in.

Governor Soprano planned it so thoroughly, the air pollution monitors near the bridge didn't work for two and a half days because the readings would have been so high he would have been compelled to order the lanes reopened. And right on cue, he attempts to make his chief of staff the state attorney general, which would effectively torpedo any state-level investigation. He's the only person who had enough power to coordinate everything. And with his track record of bullying and micromanaging, his "innocent babe in the woods" act is downright insulting.

The evidence in this case is that there is no evidence.


rocktivity

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
109. Agreed ...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 07:17 PM
Jan 2014

but one rarely wins a trial talking about "What an innocent, honest man would have done." You get to make that argument twice during the trial ... in the opening and closing statement, and neither is considered evidence of wrong-doing.

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
49. I can't wait to see how Faux handles this
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:28 PM
Jan 2014

Due to their inability to spin it, they'll probably just opt for not covering it at all.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
55. What bridge closings? Benghazi! IRS! Rev. Wright!
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jan 2014

Figure they'll break out the kitchen sink to avoid this one.

Gary 50

(381 posts)
58. A bad day..
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jan 2014

I was having a bad day until I saw this. Feeling much better now. I live in NJ and I can't fathom how this guy was elected, re-elected and remained popular. He is not as loony as most Republicans these days but his bullying personality is nauseating. How the hell can people like and respect someone like that?

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
59. We who have insight to Repug behavior
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:43 PM
Jan 2014

knew this the whole time. People say he wouldn't be that stupid. Bullshit its not stupidity, its arrogance and the full of himself syndrome. He thought as my grandmother would say " His shit don't stink." He thought he was King of New Jersey

Sinnakka

(13 posts)
63. As much as I am enjoying the NJ drama..
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014

I still think he is (Christie) is going to slimy-slug his way out of this. If and when, he does an interview on this. It should not be on Fox. I think Rachel or Steve. If he wants to maintain his so-called "open" image.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
76. Now, that this came out...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jan 2014

Christie's credibility is shot to hell. Now they will believe Mayor Dawn Zimmer. He is done. His goose is cooked

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
92. His presidental hopes now sleep with the fishes
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:41 PM
Jan 2014

because his cover is blown.

His moderate bipartisan act didn't fool me any more than McCain's did. Now the truth is out as to how he he charms Democrats: his idea of moderation is "My way or the highway," and his idea of bipartisanship is "My way or I'll CLOSE your highway!"


rocktivity

rocktivity

(44,577 posts)
73. I'm reading a lot of whining about how Boroni seems to be getting special treatment
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Fri Jan 31, 2014, 10:40 PM - Edit history (2)

Boroni did not testify under oath, and it appears that he did not testify truthfully. But he did testify, and his request for payment of his legal bills is still "under consideration."

Wildstein, on the other hand, didn't give anything but his name, hometown and employment status, then took the fifth. He claims it was his constitutional right, though John Wisniewski of the legislative panel begged to differ and found him in contempt. Apparently Wildstein is dazed and confused by his request being rejected so abruptly, but he's not above hinting that all can be revealed for the right price if not in exchange for immunity.


rocktivity

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
74. And the truth will set you free,,,,,,
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:04 PM
Jan 2014

Ooops, I mean get you impeached.

Gee, it couldn't happen to a bigger loudmouth bully.

George II

(67,782 posts)
77. More from the Bergen Record....
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:05 PM
Jan 2014

....

http://www.northjersey.com/news/Christe_knew_about_GWB_lane_closures.html

Shawn Boburg breaks it again. What a great bulldog that guy is!

Maybe by the end of the weekend we'll see Christie spinning on a spit over a barbeque pit?

AC_Mem

(1,979 posts)
82. Something tells me
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:12 PM
Jan 2014

That Faux is already planning for their new political host, the ex-Gov from NJ.......

notundecided

(196 posts)
88. Christie's Statement
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jan 2014

"I had no knowledge of the Planning or Execution of the lane closings."

Is this any kind of out? Didn't say he didn't know about, but had knowledge of the planning or execution.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
89. Christie is toast.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jan 2014

His presidential aspirations have all but banished. He'll be lucky if he can keep his current job.



Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
97. All of the material that is in the pubic domain came from Wildstein
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jan 2014

Wildstein has been trying to convince the powers that be to grant him immunity. The documents that have been released were produced by Wildstein and had his retractions and re-dactions. Just enough material was un-redacted so as to make the case for giving him immunity.

The latest disclosure is yet another attempt to encourage someone to grant immunity to Wildstein. Wildstein's attorney has done a good job being first to ask for immunity and making a good case for the grant.

cstanleytech

(26,300 posts)
158. He shouldnt be granted immunity though unless he has rock solid evidence
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:01 AM
Feb 2014

that proves the governor ordered it and or approved of it beforehand.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
99. Now we know . . .
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jan 2014

I suspected it all along, but now we know whose name was blacked out on those e-mails. And he had the gall to go to a roast last night and try to crack some jokes? What a clown, indeed!

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
115. It took a year and a half to dump Nixon once it was clear that Watergate wasn't just a third rate
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 08:39 PM
Jan 2014

. . . burglary.

I'll give him until Christmas.

 

onwardsand upwards

(276 posts)
177. Maybe, but ...
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:02 AM
Feb 2014

... remember that Tricky Dicky was counted out in 1952, after being exposed for corruption (recall the "Checkers" speech), and came back bigger and badder than ever in 1968.

Also Newt Gingrich, forced to resign as Speaker of the House, for ethics violations, in 1997 -- and came back as a serious Republican candidate for the Presidency in 2012.

Chris Christie looks like the same sort, to me. Watch out for him as a leading candidate in 2024 or 2028.

For Republicans, nastiness is an asset, not a liability.

Gothmog

(145,374 posts)
103. Here is Christie's lawyer's response
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jan 2014
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/christie-response
Mr. Wildstein's lawyer confirms what the Governor has said all along - he had absolutely no prior knowledge of the lane closures before they happened and whatever Mr. Wildstein's motivations were for closing them to begin with. As the Governor said in a December 13th press conference, he only first learned lanes were closed when it was reported by the press and as he said in his January 9th press conference, had no indication that this was anything other than a traffic study until he read otherwise the morning of January 8th. The Governor denies Mr. Wildstein's lawyer's other assertions.”

This is a very weak response in my opinion.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
112. Barbra Streisand said (sang) it best:
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 07:45 PM
Jan 2014
&noredirect=1

Sing out loud, sing out strong!

Next chanteuse: Bridget Kelly

SunSeeker

(51,578 posts)
175. Bridget Kelly will have the way more damaging goods.
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 03:11 AM
Feb 2014

She was at Christie's side during this whole debacle. And she's a single mother of 4, she will want to cut a deal for immunity. She will make a good, sympathetic witness. She had just stepped into the position previously held by Stepian. She was not the sort of person to run a rogue operation. If the feds were going to pick someone to give immunity to, it would be her. She'd make a way better witness for them against Christie than Wildstein would. My bet is that Wildstein gets no immunity and goes to jail. They already have the goods on Wildstein, and a jury will not like him. The feds will not throw away an easy conviction like Wildstein's, when they can get everything and more from Bridget Kelly.

Faygo Kid

(21,478 posts)
114. Just went over to Fox News web site. Not one mention. Not one.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 07:47 PM
Jan 2014

They'll ignore it until they have no choice, then they'll throw him overboard, then you'll never hear Christie mentioned again. Ailes is no doubt holding meetings on how to spin this even as I write.

And no, it was no fun visiting there, but you're welcome.

Cha

(297,375 posts)
119. ".. something he repeatedly denied.." HA!
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 09:50 PM
Jan 2014

That's the story of Christie's sorry life since all hell broke loose on January 8, 2014!



Well beyond Traffic Jams.. Wasn't it said that Christie would rue the day he acted like David Wildstein never existed? Even though Christie got him the job a PA!! Who ever advised him to lie about that didn't think that one through. Or was it Christie micromanaging again?



thanks onehandle

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
152. Somebody clue me ... why is this thread full of backflips and comments about 'toast' and such?
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:58 AM
Feb 2014

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Christie knowing that the lanes were closed during the time they were closed would not in any way prove he was responsible for ordering them closed.

To me it seems like most everyone in this thread is dancing a jig over ... nothing all that incriminating.

Somebody set me straight ... WHY does it matter if he knew the lanes were closed at the time? Won't he just say that he assumed they were closed cause of some traffic study ... that he had nothing to do with? If he wasn't involved in ordering it, we got nothing 'on him' ... do we?

I mean, I GUESS it's a lie if he said in his press conference he didn't know they were closed while it was actually going on, but ... it's not like a press conference is under oath, and it's not illegal to know that some lanes are closed for a bridge.

Seems he could just backtrack and say something like 'ooops, that's right, I guess I was vaguely aware, but I just forgot that I'd heard about it, it never registered to me as important, I just dismissed it as a traffic study and moved on with my busy job' or some shit like that.

After all, he does have an (R) by his name, so everyone pretty much assumes he's an forgetful and incompetent nincompoop, and will probably forgive him if it's just his stupidity in play, like we did with * for 8 years.

Bottom-line the only way he's really nailed is if he ordered it. Knowing they were closed doesn't amount to squat, much as we'd like it to.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
157. REALLY?? do you believe for EVEN.ONE.SECOND that if that's was all there was about CRISPIE's guilt-
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 07:27 AM
Feb 2014

wildstein would be dropping car sized hints that he'll unload every everything for immunity? REALLY?? To believe that BEGGARS belief, dear... lol! WOW

brett_jv

(1,245 posts)
162. Hmmm ...
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:02 PM
Feb 2014

Well, of course I believe he's totally guilty, however, I'm very skeptical that he was dumb enough to leave a 'physical' evidence trail.

If the backflips are because this 'car-sized hint' is giving everyone the idea that this must indicate this guy truly 'has the goods' ... I'm afraid I'm not able to share too strongly in that 'viewing of the situation'. I don't know this guy, his character, how to 'read him'.

He could easily be trying to trade for immunity ... w/o really having jack that's going to prove Christie gave the order. I mean, he's not even saying that he has proof of that ...

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
171. Well, we can agree to disagree because I think people are giving him WAY too much
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 09:06 PM
Feb 2014

credit regarding his intelligence....TRUST ME, if he was that smart, he wouldn't have tried to run Jersey like the small time capo head of the gang that couldn't shoot straight. I mean, did he REALLY think that he would get away INDEFINITELY with using FEDERAL DISASTER FUNDS like his own personal slush fund? NOPE, there's a lot more coming down the pike and I'm willing to bet you a FATBURGER, that there's plenty of ACTUAL PHYSICAL evidence that he did EVERYTHING he's accused of AND MORE!!

 

RedstDem

(1,239 posts)
160. I wish we had guys like him on our side
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 11:03 AM
Feb 2014

But an honest version obviously, we could use a bully or three!

 

onwardsand upwards

(276 posts)
182. He's definitely a Dem!
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:27 PM
Feb 2014

White House Chief of Staff under President Obama (also a Dem, by the way).

Here -- I'll do your homework for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
163. Christie reminds me of the little boy with his finger in the dam.
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:52 PM
Feb 2014

Since I lack any artistic ability, I can only imagine a cartoon of Christie holding back a flood of accusations that threaten to drown him.

calguy

(5,318 posts)
168. The GOP has an answer for everything
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 04:05 PM
Feb 2014

So what your saying is there was or wasn't a traffic Study - response::BENGHAZI!!!!

Was there anything that you knew prior to all of this GWB - response::BENGHAZI!!!!

When were you aware your entire inner circle was involved in this scheme - response::BENGHAZI!!!!

Huh, What does Obamacare have to do with the closing of the traffic lanes - response::BENGHAZI!!!!

You do know CBS 60 minutes Benghazi Report turned out to be big a HOAX - response::BENGHAZI!!!!





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