Pope denounces U.S. political push to legalize gay marriage
Source: Reuters
The pope's latest comments in opposition to homosexual marriage came in an address to bishops from several Midwestern states on a regular visit to the Vatican.
"Sexual differences cannot be dismissed as irrelevant to the definition of marriage," he said.
He added that the traditional family and marriage had to be "defended from every possible misrepresentation of their true nature" because, he said, whatever injured families injured society.
"In this regard, particular mention must be made of the powerful political and cultural currents seeking to alter the legal definition of marriage (in the United States)," he added in a clear reference to gay marriage.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/pope-denounces-u-political-push-legalize-gay-marriage-142628909.html
Roland99
(53,342 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Just rec this post!
Roland99
(53,342 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)malakai2
(508 posts)Screw the children.
Heathen57
(573 posts)unfortunately.
msongs
(67,420 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)66 dmhlt
(1,941 posts)Should probably NOT be lecturing others on lifestyles ...
closeupready
(29,503 posts)shrdlu
(487 posts)When the Pope outs all of his pedophile priests and turns them over to law enforcement for prosecution, then maybe I'll listen. Maybe.
NAO
(3,425 posts)The Jesus-Eating Cult of Rick Santorum
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-doyle/the-jesuseating-cult-of-r_b_1296358.html
Here's an excerpt:
Unlike Christians, Santorum and his fellow Roman Catholics participate in a barbaric ritual dating back two millennia, a "mass" in which a black-robed cleric casts a spell over some bread and wine, transfiguring it into the actual living flesh and blood of their Christ. Followers then line up to eat the Jesus meat and drink his holy blood in a cannibalistic reverie not often seen outside Cinemax.
Roman Catholics like Santorum take their orders from "the Pope," a high priest who, they believe, chats with God. Santorum has made no secret of his plans to implement his leader's dicta on allowed uses of vaginas and anuses, but has said little about what additional dogma he will be compelled to obey. Will child killers and terrorists go unexecuted on the Pope's say-so? Will we be able to conduct our wars as we see fit, or only the "just" ones? If Santorum is a good Catholic, and he appears to be among the very best, our real president will be Benedict XVI (a "former" Nazi, by the way).
Santorum has also remained silent on his religious organization's various reigns of terror, in which good protestants and others were tortured and killed in imaginatively grisly ways. Even more chilling is a possible connection between the Roman Catholic Church pedophile program and NAMBLA, which I discovered after conducting some research on the internet.
full article at above link
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)No, really, I mean it. Fuck off, Ratzo, and stay the motherfuck out of US politics.
Ian David
(69,059 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)tmy236
(7 posts)deeply resent the fact that other gay people find happiness, while they themselves flushed their lives down the toilette. I'm very certain this basic scenario describes the mentality of the catholic hierarchy. Nothing else explains the energy which they choose to devote to this issue to the exclusion of so much else. If someone is aware of large catholic organized political efforts on other issues, such as against poverty, war, the death penalty, that is as persistent and visible as the constant efforts they devote to bashing gays, then I'd love to see it.
Honestly, does anyone think that the catholic church will be a looming presence in this campaign, reminding republicans that it's sinful to be a tool of the wealthy? Of course not. But announce a gay rights initiative anywhere and any time, and you'll have the local Bishop on the phone within the hour. And letters will be read out to the sheep every sunday reminding them that God Hates Fags.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)is anyone else enjoying the Borgias on Showtime?
IndyJones
(1,068 posts)Doc Holliday
(719 posts)lecture about marriage and sex is sort of like listening to Michael Corleone talk about business ethics.
alp227
(32,036 posts)to lecture about marriage and sex as well.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)Sure the monstrous huge bulbous elephant in the room is the pedophilia issue, but the other big elephant hiding behind that one is the fact that priests, including himself, are unmarried celibates (or so they say). Why should anyone listen to them?
Also they get their orders from a God who is also unmarried and by all accounts celibate as well.
Doc Holliday
(719 posts)....but there was that one time, a couple thousand years ago...a simple country girl, married to a carpenter.
"Why God would want to mack on someone else's wife" is one of the larger historical mysteries. "Because He could" doesn't seem to be reason enough-- especially after that special Commandment about coveting thy neighbor's wife.
It might explain why there is so much adultery in the world. I'm sure that a lot of Average Joes (and Janes) figure "If God won't obey His own laws, why should I?"
Ah, well....just one more reason why I ain't gwine up ta Hebbin.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)god left a loophole- "neighbor's wife". Lots of wiggle room there
AllyCat
(16,193 posts)I'm sure it must be here somewhere...
Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)What now, Palpatine?
Solly Mack
(90,775 posts)Mickey has his own magical kingdom as well.
Perfect!
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)to cover up the crimes needs to STFU!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)of some your priest who is and has indugled in sexual activties other than man and women sex, ok? Than we'll talk.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Or are you and your church still engaged in a massive coverup of those crimes against humanity? pope?
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)mysuzuki2
(3,521 posts)You're not an American. You don't live in the US. It ain't your business. Shut up!
GodlessBiker
(6,314 posts)happyslug
(14,779 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)Or maybe just scrubbed from the site.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)After I re-posted it, BOTH of the citation were working. This is from the Vatican Information Center. The best way would be to go to the Vatican.va then hit News Services, then Vatican Information Service. If this is not working.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Benedict XVI: Address to U.S. Bishops
- snip -
In our previous meetings I acknowledged our concern about threats to freedom of conscience, religion and worship which need to be addressed urgently, so that all men and women of faith, and the institutions they inspire, can act in accordance with their deepest moral convictions. In this talk I would like to discuss another serious issue which you raised with me during my Pastoral Visit to America, namely, the contemporary crisis of marriage and the family, and, more generally, of the Christian vision of human sexuality. It is in fact increasingly evident that a weakened appreciation of the indissolubility of the marriage covenant, and the widespread rejection of a responsible, mature sexual ethic grounded in the practice of chastity, have led to grave societal problems bearing an immense human and economic cost.
Yet, as Blessed John Paul II observed, the future of humanity passes by way of the family (cf. Familiaris Consortio, 85). Indeed, the good that the Church and society as a whole expect from marriage and from the family founded on marriage is so great as to call for full pastoral commitment to this particular area. Marriage and the family are institutions that must be promoted and defended from every possible misrepresentation of their true nature, since whatever is injurious to them is injurious to society itself (Sacramentum Caritatis, 29).
In this regard, particular mention must be made of the powerful political and cultural currents seeking to alter the legal definition of marriage. The Churchs conscientious effort to resist this pressure calls for a reasoned defense of marriage as a natural institution consisting of a specific communion of persons, essentially rooted in the complementarity of the sexes and oriented to procreation. Sexual differences cannot be dismissed as irrelevant to the definition of marriage. Defending the institution of marriage as a social reality is ultimately a question of justice, since it entails safeguarding the good of the entire human community and the rights of parents and children alike. In our conversations, some of you have pointed with concern to the growing difficulties encountered in communicating the Churchs teaching on marriage and the family in its integrity, and to a decrease in the number of young people who approach the sacrament of matrimony. Certainly we must acknowledge deficiencies in the catechesis of recent decades, which failed at times to communicate the rich heritage of Catholic teaching on marriage as a natural institution elevated by Christ to the dignity of a sacrament, the vocation of Christian spouses in society and in the Church, and the practice of marital chastity. This teaching, stated with increasing clarity by the post-conciliar magisterium and comprehensively presented in both the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church, needs to be restored to its proper place in preaching and catechetical instruction.
On the practical level, marriage preparation programs must be carefully reviewed to ensure that there is greater concentration on their catechetical component and their presentation of the social and ecclesial responsibilities entailed by Christian marriage. In this context we cannot overlook the serious pastoral problem presented by the widespread practice of cohabitation, often by couples who seem unaware that it is gravely sinful, not to mention damaging to the stability of society. I encourage your efforts to develop clear pastoral and liturgical norms for the worthy celebration of matrimony which embody an unambiguous witness to the objective demands of Christian morality, while showing sensitivity and concern for young couples. Here too I would express my appreciation of the pastoral programs which you are promoting in your Dioceses and, in particular, the clear and authoritative presentation of the Churchs teaching found in your 2009 Letter Marriage: Love and Life in the Divine Plan. I also appreciate all that your parishes, schools and charitable agencies do daily to support families and to reach out to those in difficult marital situations, especially the divorced and separated, single parents, teenage mothers and women considering abortion, as well as children suffering the tragic effects of family breakdown.
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crunch60
(1,412 posts)I am not a Catholic, and do not believe we should be pushed around by Rome.Their religious values are not mine, and I see no reason why they should have a say in our laws. With all the Priest who have molested and raped children,AND their attempts at covering it up, they are in NO position to try and mandate their so-called morals to us.
God's Banker:
snip:
The Vatican Bank was formally known as the Institute for Works of Religion (IOR) and was entangled in the collapse 30 years ago of Banco Ambrosiano, with its lurid allegations about money-laundering, freemasons, mafiosi and the mysterious death of Ambrosiano chairman Roberto Calvi - "God's banker".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/09/vatican-money-laundering_n_1334704.html?1331307660&icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl13|sec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D142210
usrname
(398 posts)aren't beholden to their respective churches, as JFK assured us.
And thank gawd that Santorum isn't holding any major office.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)None of your business.
On a more important note....
Only 26 days until the opening of the baseball season.. :> )
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)Police your fucking predator boy rapists, then you can opine.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)We don't really care what you think. Stick to your skirts, flaming purses and big hats. You are irrelevant. No one wants to hear what you think. You have protected child molesters for years and are more concerned about what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own homes than you do what a priest, a person of influence over a child, does to that child. Shame on you. You don't deserve to be called anything other than a pedophile enabler.
DCKit
(18,541 posts)It's a civil, secular union, not a religious one.... unless you belong to a progressive church and want to have the ceremony.
I dunno, what are they afraid of? An exodus of 10%-15% of Catholics to more tolerant churches where they can take communion and don't have to live in the closet? I'm thinking "Yes".
He added that the traditional family and marriage had to be "defended from every possible misrepresentation of their true nature" because, he said, whatever injured families injured society.
I suppose that sexually molesting children by the catholic clergy is okay since it does not involve marriage!
I would say that is "asexual lifestyle" is a perversion. It totally goes against the nature of being human or any animal for that matter.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Come over here and become a citizen if you wanna have a say.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)have a big steaming bowl of Shut the Fuck Up. On me.
saras
(6,670 posts)glinda
(14,807 posts)anyone noticed a term being thrown out there recently, called "Evangelical Catholic"? I have heard it twice recently.
The goal is because the Church is getting smaller, loosing power as well as having its "dirty laundry" aired, Pope is attempting to combine the more radical people he can pick up from the religious Right and bring them into the flock so to speak. He is trying his damnedest to merge the two theologies. It is also evident on his attacks upon the head of the Church of England.
He is desperate to hold any control he possibly can. He is ruining what "good" there is in the Catholic Church at this point I fear.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)... he's celibate, is unmarried, has no children, dresses in fancy but archaic clothes, spent time in the Hitler Youth, or even because he led a vile attempt to cover up child rape on a worldwide scale. He could be a faithful husband and father in a smart suit, who never told people to break any law, let alone to enable continued child rape, and he'd still be WRONG about this. Because he wants a basic civil right denied to part of society.
JJW
(1,416 posts)and a silly hat.
SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)what we do in this country is none of your business.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Actually...BULLSEYE!!! It's a 100% secular and legal issue, plain and simple. Religions can continue to believe in whatever they wish, but it must be in the sphere of free religious expression and NOT as an entity of the state. I believe the U.S. Constitution clearly alludes to this separation. Well put, Your Holiness!
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)caseymoz
(5,763 posts)It's the only major work about sex that avoids the word "sex." No, instead it calls it "the marriage act," as though it's the only thing married people do. No, no hang-ups about sex there.
This an indication of the problem with the Catholic leadership. The Catholic hierarchy is a creepy boys' club, mostly for men who never got out of their latency period and who have taught themselves all their lives to handle sex only with HazMat suits on, and that doing so entitles them to have authority over the us lesser beings. They'll hide the attitude in twisted language, but that's basically the way they see it.
That's the mentally healthier ones. Every one knows about the others, who have a reason to hide their damaged, perverted sexuality in a celibacy "cover story" and who find the sense of entitlement convenient. They fit right in with the other freaks, and can expect that their stunted brethren will oblige them, because for the latter pedophilia is as morally wrong as a blow job between adults, married or not.
Those are the self-tormented phonies have deluded themselves into believing they're morally superior, and it's they're right and duty to guide all of humankind to heaven by telling us what to do and collecting a fee for it. Further, they've convinced themselves that it's the only thing preventing God's wrath from smiting us.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)burning rain
(4,393 posts)(Bad popes, bad popes)...
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)I wasn't crazy about JP II, but I respected him. As a former/non practicing Catholic, this kind of nonsense infuriates me. He (Benedict) has no business telling Nations how to manage their policies, their law. He has little respect even within his own church, so it should come as no surprise that he makes such outrageous statements to appeal to the more right wing, evangelical members of the Catholic church. He may even draw in some of the more evangelical protestants with his nonsense. At least, I suspect that that is his intention.
Priests like Andrew Greeley are probably the primary reason I haven't written off the Catholic church completely. Had a man such as him ever become Pope, the Church might have stood a chance at recovering, gaining some integrity, some respect. It could have been (and should be) a force in the world for tolerance, kindness, compassion, open-mindedness, such things as Jesus once preached. Instead it is run by puffed up old fools who have forgotten (if they ever knew) what it means to feel passion or compassion.
Unfortunately the Cardinals managed to elect this twit. I still have trouble understanding why. Were they truly so afraid of change? So afraid of progress? There were better options, some of whom might have helped revive the church into something that Catholics (especially those like the ones in my family) could be proud of again.
Instead, the mess continues... and this damn fool continues to make it worse. On behalf of Catholics everywhere, practicing or non... I apologize for this damned fool. The Catholics of this world deserve better and so do those who have been criticized by this bastard.
BlueMTexpat
(15,370 posts)Here's his Wiki write-up for those who may not have understood the reference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Greeley
Like you, I remember with fondness and admiration those who are like Father Greeley, or who were like him before they left the priesthood. I also admire those Catholics (as you note, practicing and non) who are like them - and not at all like Santorum and his ilk. Unfortunately, the mentality of the hierarchy is fixated - as is the case with most hierarchies - on maintaining its power and control. The advancement of women and legal recognition of rights for those whose orientation is not heterosexual are considered terrible threats by those whose beliefs currently prevail in the hierarchy.
I have come a long ways from the religion of my youth ("cradle Catholic" as I was). I no longer adhere to any institutionalized religion whatsoever and never will again. I do, however, respect those who find solace in one but who, above all, remain decent, committed and compassionate human beings who do not presume to impose their personal or political choices on others - especially while hiding behind tax-free status.
There are still too many "practicing" people of any institutionalized religion who consider that their religious label gives them carte blanche to act in very inhumane ways. Not allowing those whose sexual orientation is not heterosexual - which is not a "choice" - to have the same legal rights as heterosexuals is inhumane in fact.
atreides1
(16,082 posts)Wasn't it his former office that led most of the coverup of pedophile priests?
That would mean he had access to information that certain members of the College of Cardinals, would prefer not become known even within the church...add to that, he hand picked his own successor to his former office.
So, maybe it was a combination of fear of change and church intrigue that got him elected!
All of this, is of course just a theory.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)In my opinion, and I would say it to his face happily , he can shut the fuck up as long as Cardinal Bernard Law is given a place of prestige and respect in ROME while the families he fucked up here are still dealing with the lasting effects.
As far as I am concerned the Vatican is a criminal organization praying on communities all over the world.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)So there.
SleeplessinSoCal
(9,123 posts)we can do it
(12,189 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)mackattack
(344 posts)my wife is more catholic than the pope. She even says it should be legal for gays to get married, adopt, and all of that.
I firmly believe that we will see gay marriage soon. The under 40 crowd isn't afraid of "teh gays."
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)We are not all Catholics and we do not all adhere to bronze age desert dogma.
unionworks
(3,574 posts)...and his predecessor have destroyed the Catholic Church and poisoned the relations of Catholics to the world at large. Opus. Dei seized control with John Paul 2, and the real church of Vatican 2 died. What a shame.
newspeak
(4,847 posts)and the rise of opus dei; I'm no longer a catholic. The pope is worried that the gay will end the sanctity of marriage and families. Well, I suggest that ratzy proclaim an edict that all priests now can marry and have families. If he's so concerned, then he needs to get the church totally involved. Also, yeshua was jewish, yeshua was a rabbi. Rabbis married. Actually, I think priests could marry until about 700 a.d. I don't think the church wanted to support families.
unionworks
(3,574 posts)I don't recognize the church I grew up in any longer. Thank God for the Benedictine Sisters.
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)And his band of child rapist!!
drdtroit
(1,625 posts)beac
(9,992 posts)Vafanculo.
Sincerely,
Everyone who didn't cover up child rape for decades
truebrit71
(20,805 posts)STFU you child-buggering apologist...