Fox News analyst tells Tea Party group he can lead a military coup against Obama

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

Source: Raw Story


A retired Army general and Fox News analyst told a Tea Party group that he would lead a military coup against the U.S. government, if only reluctantly.

Paul Vallely, a retired major general and senior military analyst for the conservative news channel, told the Surprise, Arizona, Tea Party Patriots during a Dec. 3 speech that other retired military personnel and veterans groups had contacted him about the possibility.

“I had a call this afternoon from Idaho, the gentleman said, ‘If I give you 250,000 Marines to go to Washington, will you lead them?’” Vallely said as the group laughed and gasped. “I said, ‘Yes, I will, I’ll surround the White House and I’ll surround the Capitol building, but it’s going to take physical presence to do things.”


Vallely, who has suggested a variety of extra-constitutional remedies to remove President Barack Obama from office, said extraordinary means were necessary to achieve the legislative results he wanted.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/27/fox-news-analyst-tells-tea-party-group-he-can-lead-a-military-coup-against-obama/

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Typical wingnut - can't win an election, so they start fantasizing about overthrowing democracy and imposing fascism and military dictatorship.

[aquart]

1. Please proceed, General.

[newfie11]

2. Has there ever been such a threat to a president

It seems to me there are more nut cases now than ever before.

I hope he had a long visit by the FBI and that goes for the moron with the 250000 marines on standby.

I guess this should be an eye opener of what black folks have and are dealing with!

[ReRe]

17. Wonder where that Exceptional NSA is?

...Aren't these the kind of guys they are looking for? Oh well, they found out about it in a round-about way, by watching us type in our rants here on DU. USA! USA! USA!

[CanonRay]

41. If his name was Al-Vallely, he'd already been locked up

but he's white, so it can't be terrorism.

[ReRe]

42. Yeah, right...

[Demenace]

53. Rather than focus on the issue, we become comedians...

It is not the job of the NSA to track dupes like this, that is what the FBI is for. We have become so confused that we no longer know what our government agencies do but we are quick to comment without that education.

This is not a matter to be a comedian about and for all you know, the proper authorities may have been aware of this long before today but then since you did not get a personal fax on that, I guess that agency failed.

[freshwest]

72. +1

[ReRe]

91. So. You are defending the NSA?

You don't think the NSA also watches the FBI? The NSA is GOD now, Demenace. There is no such thing as PRIVACY anymore. Do you think I find humor in this? And you're damn right. If that dude meant anything to the the NSA (politically), that man was probably questioned the entire weekend, along with everyone he knows and everyone he has been in touch with by phone, internet, etc, etc, etc.

Everything has changed, Demenace. Everything has changed.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

18. Yes. The 1933 fascist business plot against FDR:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

[SorellaLaBefana]

32. Marine General Butler saved the USA from a Fascist State in the 1930's

In 1933, he {Gen Butler} became involved in a controversy known as the Business Plot, when he told a congressional committee that a group of wealthy industrialists were planning a military coup to overthrow Franklin D. Roosevelt, with Butler selected to lead a march of veterans to become dictator, similar to other Fascist regimes at that time. The individuals involved all denied the existence of a plot and the media ridiculed the allegations. A final report by a special House of Representatives Committee confirmed some of Butler's testimony.

... from Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedly_butler

Everyone who values democracy should read Butler's book War Is a Racket with its prescient warning of what another general - Eisenhower - would later term the "Military-Industrial Complex."

That unheeded warning of the machinations of the cabal which now controls our nation - Which, indeed, controls the Western world - and whose minions are, at this very moment, reading everything you are posting here.

This does give one pause.

[dotymed]

51. Yes, there has been an American President threatened with a coup, by the elites, before.

The President was FDR and I can (better) understand why the elites wanted FDR out of office. He actually threatened and followed through by heavily taxing the wealthy, getting meaningful regulations on banks and corporations. He created job programs for the unemployed that paid living wages. He got social security and unemployment created and many positive things that REALLY helped (saved) average Americans. He "saved capitalism" by imposing and enforcing common sense regulations that prohibited TPTB from robbing Americans. In short, he changed the paradigm that allowed Robber Barons to rape workers and society in general.

That is what confuses me. President Obama and his various agencies have NOT targeted the elites or corporations to re-instate these much needed regulations. He has allowed these corporations and financial institutions to run rampant. When they are prosecuted it results in a wrist slap and a fine that keeps the illegal behavior very profitable for these institutions. Not to mention his attempting to fast track the (job destroying) TPP.

Possibly this is a publicity stunt to make average Americans think that our President has threatened the oligarchs because from where I sit, Obama is definitely no FDR...

[Demenace]

56. Damned if he did, damned if he did not...

You have a video of a person addressing an irrational group of people you know and call, the Tea party but you think it is a publicity stunt to make you think Obama is FDR...

Does Obama have to be exactly like FDR for there to be an attempt on his life and administration?

[LibertyLover]

82. Actually yes, there has been -

at least one similar attempt that I'm aware of. Back in 1934, General Smedley Butler (US Marines) was contacted by a cabal of wealthy, conservative businessmen and asked if he would lead an armed coup attempt to remove FDR from the presidency. Gen. Butler refused.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/coup.html

[JackRiddler]

95. This is nothing.

They blew JFK's brains out as a public execution, killed the assassin live on TV, and the ones who did it wre already in power.

This is some wanker bozo fantasizing to raise funds by merchandising to right-wingers.

[villager]

101. Yeah, in the early 60's, before the then-President went to Dallas... And also to FDR

...in the form of the coup that our corporate friends wanted to pull off with Major General Smedley Butler leading it.

In his case, he said "no."

[shenmue]

3. Other people called him up and asked him to help commit treason...

and he entertained the idea? If this even happened, everyone concerned is nuts. The FBI needs to be sent to his house.

[kelliekat44]

93. Hmmm...if NSA was doing what Snowden said, shouldn't these people be rounded up and locked up for

planning to overthrow our government?

[Judi Lynn]

4. The least that should happen after this is he loses his pension, medical care, and anything else.

He should not be allowed to continue benefiting materially from the same government he hopes to overthrow.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. +1

[Demeter]

5. Oh, Really! You and WHAT Army, General?

195,000 active Marines (as of February 2013)--http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Marine_Corps

[Bernardo de La Paz]

21. That would include mostly retired marines.

If it could be raised, it would be a formidable force, but arming it with other than AR-15s and Cadillac Escalades would be a struggle. If it could be raised, they would have some stolen arms and illegal militia cached armaments and stuff liberated from National Guard armories on the way to Washington, but not fully armed by any stretch.

But they could not raise 250,000 soldiers of any stripe to their cause without creating such a noise that they would get shut down in their tracks.

They dream megalomaniac dreams but still need to watched very carefully.

[Springslips]

89. And what are they too do...

Versus drones and stealth bombers? An ex-jughead is a well trained, smart fighting machine when he/she is actually in the Marines. Outside of the Corp, they might as well be kids with stick rifles.

[tabasco]

96. Lest we forget,

at least 90% of the military, including the Marines, is rear echelon Rambos, who know more about changing a tire than leading an assault.

Signed,

A former infantryman.

[Myrina]

46. Redneck northwoods posse members & southern "Never surrender" wanna be's ...

n/t

[Notafraidtoo]

6. Its amazing someone so stupid could be a general

Does he really think they could win? anyone with a once of military logistics and tactics knowledge would know with in seconds this would be a bad idea and would achieve the most undesired results.

[Demeter]

7. FORMER general

Good age for all kinds of mental deterioration (including concussions, one would think).

[JackInGreen]

8. Isn't he now obligated

to provide the name and information of the individual that would give him '250,000 Marines' for movement on the capital.
I'd be very interested to hear who has/can marshal that manpower, considering the tea party can't manage 250 at most rallies.

[bearssoapbox]

15. First

they have to up-armor their Hoverounds and wheelchairs.










I'm sure they will do well against an Abrams.

[ReRe]

19. .

[Lochloosa]

29. I want one of those....you know for duck hunting.

[bearssoapbox]

33. .

[Lochloosa]

61. I'm stealing that!

[freshwest]

74. Perfect retort, Daffy!

[A Simple Game]

52. With a cab and AC and a heater and a V8 and a remote control for the guns.

And Medicare better pay for it because the guy on TV told me it would!

Seriously though, I would like one too and I've never hunted a duck in my life.

[freshwest]

73. Who says Americans don't make anything anymore? Except fools of themselves... n/t

[sarge43]

30. Could be recalled to active duty as a hostile witness

Sedition and mutiny are top of the UCMJ hit parade. If somebody on active duty is advocating, DOD would want to know. Still fit in your uni, general?

[Demenace]

57. If the administration moved on this fool...

...would there not be shouts of 'Police state' and 'tyranny' around here? And while I am on this, is this not why some of us have always advocated that we cannot be enablers of those who seek to get via violence and coups what they could not get via the voting booth?

Sometimes, what we cheer along on distant lands can pop up right under us!

[freshwest]

75. Another +1.

[bearssoapbox]

9. Crazy old racist fuck says what???

Hopefully one of these days those asshats will become extinct.

[Berlum]

10. "Welcome to the Traitor's Club, Generalissimo. Sneer." - Benny Arnold (R)

[UCmeNdc]

11. As a General he should be investigated and arrested......

Sedition is a crime!

[Enrique]

12. i for one welcome our new Idaho Marine overlords

[Myrina]

47. Idaho. Mmmmmm, potatoes ....

n/t

[peacebird]

13. I presume the Secret Service has been notified?...

[onehandle]

14. Their gun nut base will eat this up.

Reading with one hand.

[weissmam]

16. he is a disgrace to the uniform

[EC]

20. Did these nuts do this sort of thing during Clinton? n/t

[lovemydog]

25. Yes.

They do it with every democratic President. I hope this whacko is asked to name his folks on 'standby' so they can all be identified. Of course, the scared little man won't do that.

[deutsey]

37. Yep...they're a bunch of whiney-ass babies when they don't get their way n/t

[dotymed]

55. When do they NOT get their way? n/t

[deutsey]

83. When they lose presidential elections...especially to a black man n/t

[sarge43]

31. Yes n/t

[Politicub]

84. There was a lovely militia (bowel) movement during the Clinton admin

Same bluster, different bunch of separatist fools.

[liberal N proud]

23. I am guessing this asshole is on the Secret Service watch and visit often list.

Their hate will eat them up!

[RoccoR5955]

24. Don't you mean

Faux News Analist?
His head surely is there.

[freshwest]

76. Rats! Can't do anything to him. 'Freedumb of speeech!!! Nyah, nyah, nyah-nyah!'n/t

[Fortinbras Armstrong]

26. Calling for the violent overthrow of the government is illegal

From 18 U.S. Code § 2385,

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

So why isn't the general having unpleasant conversations with the FBI and/or the U.S. Attorney?

[BlueMTexpat]

27. +1000!

It's only enforced when the speaker/conspirer is a D, however.

[raging moderate]

59. WHY are these guys still loose? For that matter, why are Grover Norquist and his buds still loose?

That's OUR Government these guys are plotting to destroy, Government of the People, by the People, and for the People. Even including these guys, when they are willing to negotiate.

[freshwest]

77. Tyranny!!!11!! Fail, I guess...n/t

[freshwest]

78. As a FNN pundit, he'll claim it's entertainent. All theoretical, or 'Just joking.' That's why. n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

28. "The Secret Service would like a word with you, sir"

A candy-ass with a big mouth and a tiny pee-pee.

[DeSwiss]

34. Sounds like ''a terrorist combatant'' talking to me.

- Which would make Fox News a terrorist organization I believe. And justification for deporting Rupert Murdock.

But the reality is, all the available marines are making big bucks in Iraq and/or exercising other private security opportunities. Or they're re already tazing private citizens on the taxpayer's dollar somewhere in some American city as a sworn peace-officer.

But I still wouldn't stand next to Uncle Paul at the family reunion, if you know what's what. Matter of fact, you might want to skip the family reunion altogether.....

[ck4829]

35. I doubt he could get 250,000 Marines, but he might be able to create an army of...

Birthers (And maybe he can get that one soldier who refused to do anything because he said Obama was foreign born)
Neo-Nazis
Racists
Religious fundamentalists
Sovereign Citizens
Suicidal nutjobs who would otherwise be doing a spree shooting in a mall or something
Throwbacks who still complain about hippies, commies, flag burners, and 'pinkos'

As for actual soldiers, other than the birther, he might be able to get the guards from Abu Ghraib too, since he said 'enhanced interrogations' and places like Gitmo weren't that bad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_E._Vallely#Tour_of_Guantanamo_Bay_Detention_Camp

[Swede Atlanta]

36. They should all be in prison for conspiracy to commit treason.......

Conspiracy doesn't require that you actually "do the deed" but rather that you conspired together. The threshold might take a little more than just talking about it such as taking material steps such as buying materials or something else but this sounds very close to treason to me and one would think a retired Army general would be well aware of that.

[Sunlei]

38. I thought NSA was supposted to "catch" these threats & phone plans of domestic terrorism?

Last edited Tue Jan 28, 2014, 10:14 AM - Edit history (1)

Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code

18 U.S.C. § 2331 defines "international terrorism" and "domestic terrorism" for purposes of Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled "Terrorism”:

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:
◾Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
◾Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
◾Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

ref http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/terrorism/terrorism-definition

[Demenace]

58. That sir is not the job of the NSA...

...Just like this former General, we should also know what the heck we are talking about! It is the FBI or Secret Service you are looking for here to respond.

[LynneSin]

39. I just uncovered top secret video footage of the Tea Party Militia training...

[father founding]

64. too competent

The people in the video are too competent to be in the tea party.

[Stratosgc]

40. Assumes no armed liberals to say no.

These guys always assume there are no armed liberals to oppose them. They are wrong. Just because we don't need guns as a security blanket, doesn't mean we don't own guns or know how to use them.

[arcane1]

69. They also assume that everyone in the military is conservative.

But I think he's lying about the 200k marines. He's just throwing red meat to the Teabagger idiots.

[FiveGoodMen]

86. Whichever side the military take will win.

All the guns in private hands put together will do nothing against tanks, drones, aircraft with bombs, pain projection weapons, etc, etc, etc.

[Sirveri]

97. False. Tanks do not function without fuel. Planes do not fly without airstrips.

People have a fascination with military power and assume all conflicts are head on. This is a false scenario. The true strength is in the guerrilla fighter. Cut the chain link into the refinery and set it off. Interrupt fuel supplies to the local army base, break into the air base and sabotage the aircraft, the runways, or the electronics. Will the high altitude bomber be used to bomb a single man? You assume massed formations all lining up presenting arms and firing a volley. The reality will be solitary individuals moving at night, planting things on the road waiting for you to drive by. Gunning for fuel trucks, gunning for those who provide support and assistance. All the fancy weapons are no help when the only way to combat it is a group of men on the ground with rifles. Drones, it's one thing to turn tribal Pakistan against you, another to turn the citizens you claim to represent against you.

[jimlup]

43. Seems the General should get a visit from the FBI

Openly plotting a military coup against a president isn't covered by the 1st Amendment.

[santamargarita]

44. Go ahead, asshole-just try it!

[Kingofalldems]

45. Confiscate his guns now.

[yellowcanine]

48. Forget the guns. Cut him off from the federal teat.

Hopefully a treason conviction takes away the federal pension.

[leanforward]

66. Ditto

[freshwest]

79. Remember the government shutdown and default battle last year? PBO got gray hairs to pay this person

I wonder if there is a clause in the military pension system for working to destroy the ones who are paying you..

[heaven05]

49. if this is not treason,

what is? All because BHO is in office. This is amerikkkan thinking in RW fascist, teathug, wingnut, racist pig land.

[WallaceRitchie]

50. For those RWers claiming Fox disowned him in 2007

This is from Sept 2013:

[IMG][/IMG]

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

70. That's not a Fox News screenshot

It looks more like the cover of one of those newspapers at the supermarket check-out. If you flip it over there's a story about aliens controlling the Super Bowl.

[WallaceRitchie]

90. Here is the Fox News video link

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2679763621001/us-supporting-wrong-rebels-in-syria/#sp=show-clips

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

99. I know that!

It was a joke! Didn't the aliens and the super bowl clue you in?

[Cryptoad]

54. and none dare call it,,,,

Sedition!

[SummerSnow]

60. These fools watch too much tv...

they actually think they can storm into the WhiteHouse snatch Obama and drag him out on the street. Lol

[JoePhilly]

62. Archie Bunker is a retired general?

[malthaussen]

63. That's *got* to be against some law, mustn't it?

This individual is a disgrace to the uniform he once wore.

-- Mal

[sakabatou]

88. Yes it is

[leanforward]

65. What ever happened to the loyal opposition

This guy is a fruit loop. Obviously, he doesn't realize that there might be some weaker minded folks out there that might act on what he said. I've a new name for him, "hey you", are you in the first stages of alzheimer's? And "hey you" may still be included in the general officers communications group?

[joanbarnes]

67. As I have said many times, they are committing treason.

[Mz Pip]

68. Obama can drone his sorry ass.

Do these clowns ever listen to themselves? Do they really think doing this would be a simple undertaking? That there would be no pushback from anyone?

They sound like middle schoolers who have been playing far to many video games.

[wildbilln864]

71. arrest him and....

his racist cockroach cohorts!

[olddad56]

80. isn't this a terrorist threat against our government?

[woodsprite]

81. He's just a Limbaugh with white hair.

For stating that, could that earn him a visit from the Secret Service?

[marias23]

85. Mein Kapitan ve ist zurrounded

And who do you think will surround those soldiers, Mein Kapitan?

[Srkdqltr]

87. Its all fun until someone shoots back.

Stupid stupid stupid

[muntrv]

92. Another wingnut who cannot accept elections.

[jmowreader]

94. General Vallely, let me remind you of something

I swore this oath many years ago:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

You swore this oath:

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

I declare you, Paul Vallely, a domestic enemy of the United States.

[Kablooie]

98. Great idea.

250,000 old retired white guys with guns try to surround the White House.
Sound like a winning strategy to make America a better place to me.

[Wolf Frankula]

100. General, That is Treason

|

For traitors we have the above.

Wolf

[RKP5637]

102. Ah, a member of the "Fox News Asylum!" n/t

[Ash_F]

103. As DUers cheerlead the MIC...

remember that it is filled with these types.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

104. How is this not sedition?

It sure seems like it..........