Gunman Shoots Two Women Dead In Indiana Supermarket

[onehandle]

Source: CNN

(CNN) -- A gunman killed two women inside an Indiana grocery store Wednesday night before police rushed to the scene and gunned him down. The tragic scene played out in a sprawling grocery store in Elkhart, Indiana.

Officers were called to the scene just after 10 p.m. and found an armed man in the store, according to Indiana State Police Trooper Brooks Shirk. The man also fired at officers. Officers fatally shot the gunman, police told CNN affiliate WXIN.

They found the bodies of two women aisles apart inside the grocery store, both of them shot by the gunman, Shirk said. One of the women was a shopper, the other was an employee. It was unclear whether he knew the victims or if there was any connection between the three, Shirk said.

Police said the man used a semi-automatic handgun. A knife was also recovered at the scene. Investigators scoured through a huge crime scene overnight, police said, as shell casings and debris stretched throughout the store.

Read more: http://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/gunman-shoots-two-women-dead-indiana

[Warren Stupidity]

1. Gun culture.

It is time to grow up and put away the six shooters.

[liberal N proud]

2. Another day, another shooting

When will we wake up, the gun-nuts have America by the nuts.

[baldguy]

3. Like clockwork.

[RC]

4. When in the hell are we going to enforce BOTH parts of the 2nd Amendment?

If the belonging to a Militia part isn't necessary to the security of a free state and therefore doesn't apply anymore, than doesn't that weaken the "right of the people..." part?

Article II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The first part, that keeps getting ignored, modifies the second part about our Right to keep and to have those arms in the first place.

[Niceguy1]

5. case law does not

Support that interpretation. ..never has.

[baldguy]

6. Because the pro-death industry has spent several decades & billions of dollars to ensure it doesn't.

People can't be free if they live in fear of being randomly shot at.

[Niceguy1]

7. what about hunting

And other non violent uses? Considering that the majority of gun violence is actually suicide wouldn't it be more effective to concentrate on mental health instead of prohibition?

[Duckhunter935]

8. Don't bother

All some want is full confiscation but they are too scared to actually say it.

of course the other 300 million weapons were not used in this way, but one bad apple......

[kag]

14. Listen to yourself!!!!!!

The other 300 million weapons??? Do you really believe that there are 300 million hunters and target shooters in the country?

Good god!

And I'll go ahead and say it, gladly! YES! If you are too stupid, evil, sick, or lazy to keep your weapon from killing innocent people, then YES, I want to fully confiscate your guns, and fast!

[crim son]

33. +1000

As an aside, given my personal experience with "law abiding" hunters up here in Maine, I believe that industry - because that's what it is - should be more closely scrutinized as well.

[Chorophyll]

17. "One bad apple."

Wow, considering the number of shootings we've had in the past week alone, that "one bad apple" must be very busy.

We don't want full confiscation; we want you to act like an adult about your firearms. Unless you can somehow convince me that a guy who shot two random women in a supermarket was fighting government tyranny... which you can't. Or that a 12-year-old who shot an 11-year-old in the face was exercising his 2nd Amendment rights... which you can't. Or that people who pull out their cell phones in a movie theater somehow deserve to be shot through the chest... which you can't.

[RC]

21. Try 11,400 deaths cause by guns in 2013 alone

http://guns.periscopic.com/?year=2013

Don't forget to click on that little box on the base line, to the left of the chart. Then run your mouse over the chart itself, when it is done. All that death cause by one bad apple? That one bad apple sure was busy last year.

What we want is some regulation for deadly mechanisms. Mechanisms designed to kill people. If you are reasonably sane and have a good reason to have a gun, that is one thing. But this nation is awash in guns of all kinds.
There is actually not much regulation on who can possess most kinds of guns, other than felons, and they can acquire amost anything they want fairly quickly, because this nation is awash in guns of all kinds.

[Duckhunter935]

27. 11,400 out of 300 million+

How many were suicides?

[jeff47]

29. Suicide isn't a positive argument for guns.

The vast majority of people who attempt suicide using other means (pills, slash wrists, etc) decide they don't want to die and seek treatment.

A gun doesn't give them that opportunity.

[Duckhunter935]

28. Tell me what you would want

regulation for deadly mechanisms? What do you propose?

have a good reason to have a gun? Who decides, you?


Thousands of state and federal regulations already on the books

[JackInGreen]

11. Dude....

did you just call hunting 'non violent'?
Er...you're shooting something that was until impact (unless you're a horrible shot), alive. I thought taking a life was always violent.

I mean...are there non violent uses for a gun that don't involve loving maintenance and display (either in pride or in threat)?

[kag]

12. Straw man, yet again.

This "what about hunting" attitude is getting people killed. I live in a "hunting" state and community. And I know that the people who hunt could EASILY deal with the kind of changes that need to be made to keep people safe.

[Brigid]

19. My brother and BIL both hunt.

But neither of them ever takes his hunting rifle to the grocery store. And they don't feel threatened by efforts to keep guns away from those who can't own one without being stupid about it.

[baldguy]

13. This has nothing to do with hunting, and nothing to do with mental health.

It's about the unnecessary proliferation of guns and the gun violence that goes with it.

Trying to push the topic to hunting, suicide & mental health is a standard RW talking point, based on lies, that blatantly attempts to distract from the real issues.

[Niceguy1]

16. how about real numbers

And trends? I am on a phone but I always see charts here that show a downward homicide trend.

And increasing mental healthnisnt right wing... there are a lot of progressives who own firearms...

[baldguy]

22. The average number of mass shootings has almost trippled in the last five years.

http://rt.com/usa/holder-mass-shootings-triple-519/

We've Had So Many Mass Shootings In The U.S., We've Had To Redefine The Term

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/17/mass-shootings-us_n_3935978.html

Of the 20 deadliest mass shootings over the last half century, 13 have occurred in the last 10 yrs.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/16/us/20-deadliest-mass-shootings-in-u-s-history-fast-facts/

The numbers show that the gun problem in this country is getting worse, and nothing coming from the RW is offering any real solutions. We've tried it YOUR way & it hasn't worked - let's try OUR way for a change.

[One_Life_To_Give]

41. Prof. Fox Phd writing in this months Journal Homicide disputes that

Or more exactly calls it a Myth

http://hsx.sagepub.com/content/18/1/125.full.pdf+html

As the Prof points out, claims otherwise have focused on omitting certain mass shootings while including others.

Bottom line is we should make decisions based on factual scientific findings and not on news paper reports.

[carla]

18. Like holstering, or carrying a rifle in a case, or shooting at a target on a range?

Aside from those things, I can't imagine why you would say such a completely nonsensical thing. Guns are for killing. They were designed for that, have been refined for that and they have NO OTHER USE in a civil society. The killing of these 2 women is not as important as the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution? You are nuts; full=blown straight jacket nuts. The right to life supersedes ALL other rights in a civil society. Fear of the "gubmint" is not a sufficient defence for all the killing that guns bring. If you think so, you are not thinking, you are fantasizing about untrue things. Human maturity involves respect for others. Gun-nuts have no respect for anything but their own fear. I find your comment inhuman, actually, like something a psychopath would think to say to justify killing someone. I am so glad we left the USA, I am appalled that no one has any brains to see this for what it is. Crime is almost never stopped by a gun, mostly innocent people die from guns. Sheesh. You definitely need to concentrate on mental health issues, yours.

[Blandocyte]

30. "Crime is almost never stopped by a gun"

But I sure am glad that if I need a cop to protect me he or she will have a gun if that's what they need to protect me.

[RC]

10. So what? It is well past time that BOTH parts of the 2nd Amendment were looked at together.

Please tell me how a semi-automatic pistol stuck in a waist band of somebody's pants, when they are walking on the public streets, is necessary for the security of a free state.
How secure were the safety of those two women because "...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".
There is no reason, good or otherwise, why killing devices should no be heavily regulated.
What sense does it do to require, say, everyone to wear seat belts for our safety, because it saves lives, when practically anyone can get a gun, which is designed to kill people in the first place, and shoot you, when you are shopping for your family, in a grocery store? Why are much safer activities and machines better regulated than guns that are designed from the ground up, to kill things?

[Kaleva]

35. It's a circular arguement

We need guns to protect us from the bad guys who have guns and who then want more powerful guns so to have an advantage over those of us who have guns .....

Basically an arms race.

[ronnie624]

34. It will, sooner or later, when people get tired of this.

The sooner, the better.

[brett_jv]

37. Like hell it hasn't ...

It wasn't until the 60's that 'case-law' supported the 'individual' right over the 'collective' (i.e. militia's) right. Prior to the 60's IOW, the 'collective' interpretation of the 2nd held sway and this had been basically considered 'settled law' up til that point ... til the gun lobby saw an opportunity and began legally pushing for the 'individual' interpretation, and eventually 'cases' started going in their favor in the late 1960's/early 1970's.

[JackInGreen]

9. Exercising his freedoms

donch'a know.

[brush]

15. The interval between . . .

these shooting used to be months, years even — remember the time between Columbine and the next one — now they-re happening every damn day.

Grocery stores, schools, movie theaters, office buildings, the places we all go to.

Why are we the country that all of these shooting occur so regularly? It's not a hard question. TOO MANY GUNS AND NO GUN REGULATIONS.

ENOUGH Godammit! We need to figure out a way to organize against the gun pushers and anti-gun registration/regulation crowd.

[Pale Blue Dot]

20. Were the 2 women texting?

We should really know all of the details before we rush to judgment.

[Chorophyll]

24. Heh. Maybe they were texting in the popcorn aisle.

In which case, cold-blooded murder is really the only way to go. Right?

[greymattermom]

23. CDC

isn't allowed to collect data. Dems need to introduce a bill just focused on that. It doesn't touch people's fears of having their guns confiscated, but a little knowledge can change your mind.

[baldguy]

25. Because of the influence of the pro-death gun lobby.

[marions ghost]

26. Right

We are not even allowed to collect data on gun violence as a Public Health issue. The CDC used to be responsible for that. This is so backward-- an increasing indicator of the failure of America as a civilized nation.

[hack89]

38. There is plenty of gun violence data on the CDC website

they can.collect date. They were not allowed to.use that data in studies but I think the president EOs overturned that.

[PatrynXX]

31. course the right will first ask was he black...

if he's white eh ignore the story

[bucolic_frolic]

32. Think of all the jobs it will create

having armed guards in the Produce section

[go west young man]

36. Here's a new and interesting idea,,,

everytime there is a shooting in the US we should change the name of the location to one in the Middle East. Then watch the right wing get fervent about disarming and killing these "terrorists". Because the odds of an American dying from a random shooting spree here at home are much greater than a Middle Eastern terrorist killing an American, yet we spend a million times the money and energy on going after Muslims instead of the right wing psychos at home. Lets try it... "This tragic scene played out in Anbar Province, Iraq where the terrorist killed two women." Can't ya just see the dollars from the MIC just flowing to fix this gun issue now! Not. Of course that makes Faux news the equivalent of Al Jazeera ( which technically they are) and we need to remove them from the surface of the map too.

[Harmony Blue]

39. This is sad

[yellowcanine]

40. Clearly we need to arm supermarket cashiers and managers.

The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

And they could openly display the guns - would cut down on the whining from customers about how the groceries were bagged. So this would be a two-fer.