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hue

(4,949 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:48 PM Dec 2013

Toe Fossil Provides Complete Neanderthal Genome

Source: The New York Times (Science)

Scientists have extracted the entire genome of a 130,000-year-old Neanderthal from a single toe bone in a Siberian cave, an accomplishment that far outstrips any previous work on Neanderthal genes.

The accuracy of the new genome is of similar quality to what scientists would achieve if they were sequencing the DNA of a living person.

“It’s an amazing technical accomplishment,” said Sarah A. Tishkoff, an expert on human evolution at the University of Pennsylvania, who was not involved in the research. “Twenty years ago, I would have thought this would never be possible.”

The new Neanderthal genome, which is described in the current issue of Nature, is part of an extraordinary flurry of advances in studying ancient human DNA. Earlier this month, for example, scientists reconstructed a small segment of genes from a 400,000-year-old fossil in Spain, setting a record for the oldest human DNA ever found.

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This is so cool!!
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Toe Fossil Provides Complete Neanderthal Genome (Original Post) hue Dec 2013 OP
I think we ought to create one. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #1
I know it raises HUGE ethical problems; but we've GOT to make one! snot Dec 2013 #2
Experimental paleontology--a whole new discipline. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #5
Didn't GEICO first address this issue? Octafish Dec 2013 #11
They DID. I saw that commercial, too. closeupready Dec 2013 #12
Odds are the genes still exist among us. hunter Dec 2013 #13
Actually, there's data on that. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #15
The thought of Neanderthals making a comeback is kind of scary. ... JEFF9K Dec 2013 #3
They were pretty communual. Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #6
They'd probably all become lawyers geardaddy Dec 2013 #7
Neanderthals never left. They just assimilated. sybylla Dec 2013 #9
Yup--That's the work I was alluding to above Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #16
Just think of the Hollywood movies bucolic_frolic Dec 2013 #4
I doubt culture shock adieu Dec 2013 #8
Those that continue to deny human evolution Enthusiast Dec 2013 #10
okay, who wants to volunteer to care the neanderthal clone baby? yurbud Dec 2013 #14

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. I think we ought to create one.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 01:51 PM
Dec 2013

Then give the lady (assuming it's female) a proper liberal education & use her example to prove that the Republicans are nowhere near as advanced as Homo neandertalensis.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
5. Experimental paleontology--a whole new discipline.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:21 PM
Dec 2013

It would sure as hell answer questions like whether H. Neander was capable of language. (I'd bet pretty good money they were. I've believed that ever since I took physical anthro more than 50 years ago, even though I was in a pretty small minority.)

hunter

(38,317 posts)
13. Odds are the genes still exist among us.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:23 PM
Dec 2013

And I doubt very much they were the dumb, mean brutes depicted as "cave men."

We, Homo sapiens, are the dumb mean brutes.

Neanderthals likely had sophisticated extended family structures and cooperative natures.

I imagine the "us versus them" mentality wasn't as strong in Neanderthals, which is why they did not survive as a community in competition with the bloody minded, religiously insane, hyper-tribal, "modern" humans.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
15. Actually, there's data on that.
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 01:48 PM
Dec 2013

In short, modern African populations have little if any Neandertal ancestry, but European & (to a somehat lesser extent) Asian populations have 1-3% or so Neandertal genes, with the highest percentages in some Tyrolean areas

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
3. The thought of Neanderthals making a comeback is kind of scary. ...
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:06 PM
Dec 2013

... It would be a whole new voting block for Republicans.

geardaddy

(24,931 posts)
7. They'd probably all become lawyers
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:48 PM
Dec 2013

"Ladies and gentlemen of the City Council, I'm just a caveman... Your world frightens and confuses me. When I see your tall buildings and flashing neon signs, sometimes I just want to get away as fast as I can, to my place in Martha's Vineyard. I'm more at home hunting the woolly mammoth than I am hunting a good interior decorator. And when I see a solar eclipse, like the one I went to in Hawaii last week, I think 'Oh no, is the moon eating the sun?', because I'm a caveman... but there is one thing I do know. The new resort housing development proposed by my partners and myself will include more than adequate greenbelts for recreation and aesthetic enhancement. Thank you. (smug grin)"

sybylla

(8,514 posts)
9. Neanderthals never left. They just assimilated.
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 04:28 PM
Dec 2013
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/30919/title/Neanderthal-DNA-in-Modern-Humans/flagPost/60484/
Neanderthal DNA in Modern Humans
Non-African people carry remnants of the Neanderthal X chromosome, suggesting interbreeding with early human ancestors.

...Thanks to last year’s complete sequencing of the Neanderthal genome, the researchers could compare the genomes of more than 6,000 modern humans with the ancient hominid, and found similar intronic sequences on the Neanderthal X chromosome, as well as on the X of people from all continents except sub-Saharan Africa. The results are published in the July issue of Molecular Biology and Evolution.

“There is little doubt that this haplotype is present because of mating [of] our ancestors and Neanderthals,” Nick Patterson of the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard University said in a press release. “This is a very nice result, and further analysis may help determine more details.”

bucolic_frolic

(43,181 posts)
4. Just think of the Hollywood movies
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 02:21 PM
Dec 2013

"Neanderthal Takes Manhattan"

and the poor Neanderthal is going to need a
caveman of a psychiatrist just to deal with
the culture shock

 

adieu

(1,009 posts)
8. I doubt culture shock
Thu Dec 19, 2013, 03:17 PM
Dec 2013

But biological shock, for sure. Such an entity might not be able to survive in the current human environment's germs and bacteria. Culturally, should he or she survive the biological aspects, would be not hard to join in. It's not as though it has a memory of neanderthal culture.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
10. Those that continue to deny human evolution
Fri Dec 20, 2013, 06:38 AM
Dec 2013

in the face of such evidence are at this point just being difficult.

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