Judge bars protesters from Walmart
Source: Baltimore Sun
A Maryland judge barred Walmart protesters on Tuesday from company property in advance of widespread demonstrations planned for Black Friday.
Anne Arundel County Circuit Judge Paul Harris also ordered activists to post a $10,000 bond, which they would forfeit if they violate the injunction before the trespassing case brought by Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in September goes to trial.
"This is yet another move from Walmart to try to bend the law to its liking. Walmart has made it a practice to pursue over-the-top legal maneuvers to try to avoid hearing the real concerns of workers and community members," said Derrick Plummer, spokesman for the organizer, Making Change at Walmart, in a statement.
About 1,500 demonstrations were scheduled to occur nationwide on Friday, including at Walmarts in Towson and Arbutus. Plummer said activities planned for Black Friday would go forward, but declined to say where.
Read more: http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bs-bz-walmart-20131126-1,0,4283804.story
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Heather MC
(8,084 posts)Than pay lawyers to block that pay??
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Diego_Native 2012
(65 posts)...than to screw $1M out of a lawyer.
Sirveri
(4,517 posts)Otherwise, why are you paying them, right?
Now if we flooded them with lawsuits, they might get over extended. I could see the younger debt slaves being able to do this since they have nothing to lose and can just ignore a judgement against them to pay court costs.
TBF
(32,111 posts)diabeticman
(3,121 posts)HelenWheels
(2,284 posts)His ruling is against freedom to assemble and freedom of speech.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)The Westboro baptist church ruling where the crazies were protesting at soldiers funerals the court said it was FREE SPEECH so this judge is an idiot.Wouldn't surprise me if this judge has stock in Walmart. Here's the ruling http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/02/westboro-baptist-church-w_n_830209.html
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Westboro doesn't have a right to protest on other people's private property. You want to re-read the two articles again.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)cstanleytech
(26,334 posts)Even if it doesnt if its private property and the owner tells you to stay off in general arent you supposed to do so?
AAO
(3,300 posts)If so, freedom of speech, and freedom to assemble don't come into play. Just being a shitty, greedy, heartless corporation is all they can be accused of.
Omaha Steve
(99,780 posts)Most of the time, not always.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Ie the parlking lots, truck loading areas etc are private property.
Omaha Steve
(99,780 posts)The sidewalk is considered open game unless fenced off. I just corrected a Starbucks manager on this Monday and told him to call 911. Dispatcher explained to him WHY they wouldn't come. IF they do come ask for a Sgt. Also watch the special Morgan Spurlock's CNN documentary from several months ago.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Lot of walmart are private property, they are maintained and kept clear by walmart, though tjey are law enforcement dedicated for fire lanes they are private property. If you want to protest youbstand on the city, county or state maintained road and sidewalk.
Omaha Steve
(99,780 posts)Mass picketing law struck down and sidewalks not fenced in were both settled in NE Court.
Like I said watch Spurlock's CNN video on unions from a few months ago. I'm eating dinner and will be back with links as time allows later.
I'm a Veteran of 100's of protests on private property not fenced off in several states over 40 years. I can be seen on the documentary film (check the IMDB) Saving the Indians Hills having a fight with security and winning on the point. Our lawyer was there.
Omaha Steve
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Whatever the reason.
Omaha Steve
(99,780 posts)That is why many companies FENCE up to the property line, sometimes miles away.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Property rights are important.
Omaha Steve
(99,780 posts)How would a walk up customer shop there? Most FRONT sidewalks that run along the street ARE public property, even though Walmart has to shovel the snow by law in most communities.
Would you like me to snail mail you the Spurlock documentary?
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)From the county road all the way to the stores and posted as such. Basically you are there at the pwrmission of the property owner and if asked to leave and you dont then its trespass. Same thing if you come on my driveway from the county road.
Omaha Steve
(99,780 posts)But access can't be blocked or restricted. I can't park a car on the driveway outside your property line to deny you access. But I can stand on your sidewalk or driveway outside your property line as long as I don't refuse to move when you leave or enter on the driveway. Lets say you and I don't agree on a political point. I can stand on posted keep off in a yard outside your property line and protest in the yard YOU maintain. Ask any abortion protester.
Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)They love to hide behind them.
Of course these people these protestors are no threat to the property of Walmart.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Or on your land.
Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)There is absolutely no comparison to someone's yard. You've taken the republican position on walking the picket lines.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)No problem with picketing but i place property rights as one of the top rights we have.
Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)Whose side are you on?
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Your rights end where mine begin.
Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)I understand fully now.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Rights and when. I understand you even more fully now.
Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)Are you a republican?
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)minor inconvenience of a billionaire.
OrwellwasRight
(5,170 posts)Property is passed down from generation to generation, not distributed newly each generation on the basis of merit. Once you take property, you can then earn money off of it without working hard (this is called rents). Property laws have been used to steal land from native Americans, to prevent free speech, to enforce racist restrictive covenants, etc. They have even been used to try to overturn regulations and conservation efforts. Property rights in themselves discriminate in favor of property holders. They do not treat all citizens equally. I would not elevate them as highly as you do. They are not sacrosanct.
Ranchemp.
(1,991 posts)It seems that when it comes to Walmart, some think it's ok to violate property rights.
Omaha Steve
(99,780 posts)Have you ever seen a law to keep the Hare Krishna's out of them???? Look it up.
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Thats right they are told to leave. Property owners can allow who ever they want on their property.
Omaha Steve
(99,780 posts)Cause I won't argue with a wall.
Paolo123
(297 posts)You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed Nov 27, 2013, 07:02 PM, and the Jury voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT and said: Poster is a returnee, vadawg, who got banned from DU2 for being pro-DADT. His being here again in new form is a blemish on the website.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: OS, I think you're misreading the post. He says you should leave property if asked to, not that you can't protest, particularly on your own land (who would ask you to leave your own land?) Sorry, but I don't think this is hideable.
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Kingofalldems
(38,496 posts)loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Ranchemp.
(1,991 posts)I saw how he tried to twist your words all around, go for you for not falling for it.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)Ain't capitalism lovely??
AAO
(3,300 posts)icymist
(15,888 posts)<snip>
County Circuit Judge Paul Harris also ordered activists to post a $10,000 bond, which they would forfeit if they violate the injunction before the trespassing case brought by Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in September goes to trial.
X_Digger
(18,585 posts)There is no free speech in my living room, or on most private property. Me telling you to go elsewhere to protest is not a violation of free speech (I'm not the government.)
Ranchemp.
(1,991 posts)he ruled that unless Walmart gives permission, the protesters have no legal right to protest on Walmart property, the protesters can assemble on public property and give all the speeches they want.
mtasselin
(666 posts)What constitution, they have been chipping away at it for years. If there is a strike you can only have so many people on the picket line. Jump forward to the patriot act of 2001, Russ Feingold warned the American people about it and nobody would listen.
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)Saviolo
(3,283 posts)If you have the gold, you make the rules. Also, you can break the rules with impunity, but face no consequences.
Orrex
(63,233 posts)What am I missing here?
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Rights are selective and depend on who's side you are on
Township75
(3,535 posts)This isn't a problem.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)ancianita
(36,157 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)This has NOTHING to do with Walmart. It is common fucking sense that you don't have a right to protest on my property. You sure as shit can protest on the sidewalk in front of my house, just as these people can protest on the sidewalks in front of Walmart.
Fuck, sometimes people's hatred for something causes them to lose ALL critical thinking skills.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Of all the rights violations going on today, Walmart's are way, way down on my list to worry about.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)Do you understand how precedent works? If the judge rules against Walmart, than any shithead could camp out on my property and claim free speech due to the precedent set. Thus, I don't give a shit about Walmart. I DO give a shit about me losing Constitutionally protected rights because you hate Walmart.
Like I said, some people's hatred of Walmart makes them lose all fucking common sense.
Orrex
(63,233 posts)joeglow3
(6,228 posts)The judge in this case ruled that no, you do not. Thus, they are pissed, claiming s/he was bought and paid for by Walmart. I am saying s/he ruled correctly because you do NOT have that. And I am damn glad because I don't want to get up my personal property rights so I can feel good for 5 minutes about Walmart losing a court case.
Orrex
(63,233 posts)I replied to the wrong post, okay?
No need to rip your own face off and run around screaming like an ass-bit lunatic.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)I also mistook you for the person who replied above.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)on someone else.
joeglow3
(6,228 posts)bobclark86
(1,415 posts)Private property. Chill out and go stand on the sidewalk with the protesters, where they should be. That way, people driving by, rather than just stopping, will see.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Walmart. Apparently that deserves derision. Please keep perspective.
ancianita
(36,157 posts)property, anyway. This shouldn't be some shocking revelation.
geardaddy
(24,931 posts)Solidarity!
eggplant
(3,915 posts)What I'm expecting is a false-flag operation, where someone in mgmt will violate the injunction pretending to be a protester, to cost them their $10k bond.
BeatleBoot
(7,111 posts)Populist_Prole
(5,364 posts)They should have broght guns, wore stars & stripes or "don't tread on me" shirts and hoisted misspelled signs. Then fascists would have left them alone and the MSM would give them favorable coverage.
canoeist52
(2,282 posts)The class war is on.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Protesting on private property when the owner objects is pretty much illegal. The unions who protest Wal-Mart here stand on public property just outside the parking lot.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,390 posts)That case is sub judice. It has already been decided they should not be kept in jail pending the court appearance. What justification has the judge for demanding money from them now? This seems like extortion, to me. He can tell them they cannot do another protest on private property, but since when has the state been able to demand money before any law has been broken?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Response to alp227 (Original post)
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RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Or else they won't be able to open their 4000th store in China next January.
gopiscrap
(23,765 posts)go into a Wal Mart and load your carts up with stuff from all over the store and then when it gets all rung up, announce that you changed your mind and don't that stuff after all!
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)ball tactics.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)In 2012, organizers staged a demonstration at a the Walmart in Severn that resulted in the police being called. According to the lawsuit, the manager said protestors refused to leave the property as they gave out cupcakes to visiting patrons.
A similar demonstrated also occurred two months ago in Bowie, just across the Prince George's County line. Managers called police after a group of protesters refused to leave the store grounds, the company claims.
Ranchemp.
(1,991 posts)the judge didn't bar them from protesting on public property, he ruled that unless Walmart gives permission, the protesters have no right to protest on Walmart property.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Guessing some would be changing their tunes.