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TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:37 AM Nov 2013

Feinstein backs bill to allow Americans to keep health plans

Source: NBC

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., announced Tuesday that she will support legislation aimed at repairing the now-broken promise that the president -- and many senators -- made to Americans when the Affordable Care Act was passed: That if they liked their health insurance, they could keep it.

Feinstein will co-sponsor legislation that Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., announced last week. The bill would extend the so-called "grandfather" clause and require insurance companies to keep offering insurance plans they sold before the health care exchanges opened on Oct. 1.

Support from Feinstein, who represents a solidly blue state, illustrates that a growing number of Democrats are worried about what effect the health care law's turbulent rollout could have on the party. Earlier Tuesday, former President Bill Clinton said President Barack Obama should consider changes to the law to allow Americans who are losing their insurance plans to keep them if they desire to.

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Landrieu said that her bill also has other supporters, many of whom are up for reelection; she named Sens. Kay Hagan, D-N.C., Mark Begich, D-Alaska, and Joe Manchin, D-W.Va.

Read more: http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/12/21428322-feinstein-backs-bill-to-allow-americans-to-keep-health-plans?lite



Here is Feinstein's statement on her bill:


“I have decided to cosponsor Senator Mary Landrieu’s legislation: Keeping the Affordable Care Act Promise Act. This bill provides a simple fix to a complex problem. This bill will extend the grandfather date for individual insurance plans so that individuals who have insurance policies they like can keep them indefinitely, unless the individual chooses another plan or the insurer stops providing health insurance in the individual market.

“Specifically, the bill requires the following:

· Insurance companies must continue to offer—indefinitely—all currently existing insurance plans as of Dec. 31, 2013, on the individual market;

· Future renewal notices must clearly inform customers they have the choice to keep their current plan or shop for insurance in a health exchange, such as Covered California; and

· Insurance companies must clearly state why the plan does not meet new minimum benefit standards.

“Since the beginning of September, I have received 30,842 calls, emails and letters from Californians, many of whom are very distressed by cancellations of their insurance policies and who are facing increased out-of-pocket costs.

“For example, a father from Rancho Mirage called and said: ‘I work three jobs to pay the bills for my wife and daughter. I got a letter that my plan is going from $420 to $943. I went to HealthCare.Gov, then Covered California. I researched my premiums. A policy almost identical to my old one is being offered for $863. I’m now being forced to come up with over $400 a month with 30 days’ notice. Let me spell it out: I do not have the income to afford this.’

“Too many Americans are struggling to make ends meet. We must ensure that in our effort to reform the health care system, we do not allow unintended consequences to go unaddressed.

“I believe consumers should be allowed to choose their plans, and they should be adequately informed about those choices. Consumers must be told what their coverage does and does not include so families don’t find themselves paying for an insurance policy they believe is comprehensive when in fact it is not.

“The Affordable Care Act is a good law, but it is not perfect. I believe the Landrieu bill is a commonsense fix that will protect individuals in the private insurance market from being forced to change their insurance plan. I hope Congress moves quickly to enact it.”
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Feinstein backs bill to allow Americans to keep health plans (Original Post) TomCADem Nov 2013 OP
Not sure I understand how they can require Live and Learn Nov 2013 #1
I Understand It Is A One Year Extension... TomCADem Nov 2013 #3
Cannibalism NoOneMan Nov 2013 #2
I agree. Gore1FL Nov 2013 #8
Bill Clinton just said something about this as well NoOneMan Nov 2013 #9
Well what ever it is, it's making President Obama look bad. SoapBox Nov 2013 #10
WE should listen to Bill, becaus Clinton Care was such a success! hedgehog Nov 2013 #24
Yeah, DiFi is all false narrative. Something must be up if she has swung into action. bemildred Nov 2013 #13
+1 CountAllVotes Nov 2013 #14
someone posted a form that people who wanted to opt out of ACA russspeakeasy Nov 2013 #4
Good tactic to deflate the one-note opposition going into 2014. Hope it works. ancianita Nov 2013 #5
Ouch. 1000words Nov 2013 #6
That's because.... bobGandolf Nov 2013 #28
So sick of hearing this pothos Nov 2013 #7
THANK you! SoapBox Nov 2013 #11
3% of the population is close to 10 million people oberliner Nov 2013 #12
its truly hopeless Cosmocat Nov 2013 #18
Danny's a lot like the "liberal" they put on fox seabeckind Nov 2013 #21
I guess she missed this news from her state: rucky Nov 2013 #15
"Democrats" are going to gut ACA before it has a chance to start RandiFan1290 Nov 2013 #16
+1 mmonk Nov 2013 #19
But, those were junk insurance plans that were cancelled!!! Major Hogwash Nov 2013 #17
These anecdotes are getting very old seabeckind Nov 2013 #20
I say BS to a plan that cost $420 wilt the stilt Nov 2013 #22
If DiFi's for it.... MsLeopard Nov 2013 #23
well Robbins Nov 2013 #25
This is probably as good as we can expect. geek tragedy Nov 2013 #26
Come on Feinstein ! bobGandolf Nov 2013 #27
If DINO Di-FI is for a bill, all sane Dems will oppose it. lark Nov 2013 #29
So she agrees with Bill Clinton, heh? McXorsett Nov 2013 #30
Let's just do Single Payer Politicalboi Nov 2013 #31
you can't go back in time quadrature Nov 2013 #32
Best bet is to just sit back and ride it all out Doctor Jack Nov 2013 #33

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
3. I Understand It Is A One Year Extension...
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:45 AM
Nov 2013

...to 2014. However, in the end, I do think you need to get the affluent healthy folks into the same insurance plans as other folks to balance out the risk pool.

Gore1FL

(21,132 posts)
8. I agree.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:45 AM
Nov 2013

The Democrats shouldn't write legislation in an attempt to pacify the GOP's talking point of the moment. If it concerns them, the GOP has had ample opportunity to bring legislation to the House floor to address these "shortcomings." Landrieu is Louisiana's McCaskill. (about as good as we are going to get) I get that. I hate it, but I get it. I understand her going with this to an extent.

I don't know what in the hell Feinstein is thinking.

 

NoOneMan

(4,795 posts)
9. Bill Clinton just said something about this as well
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:49 AM
Nov 2013

So its not just Feinstein. There is something a-brewin

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
10. Well what ever it is, it's making President Obama look bad.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 02:40 AM
Nov 2013

It just amazes me how the DINO's are running away from his one little statement.

Hell, I knew what the intent was (I've got great insurance via my employer).

Where were all the brain storm advisers to have let him know, hey, those junk policies won't meet the standard? Gotta love how he tried but
the big insurance and spineless jellyfish types just ran him over.

DiFi? Now you are gonna stick you snout into this? Why don't you get out there and explain how CRAPPY those policies really are!

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
13. Yeah, DiFi is all false narrative. Something must be up if she has swung into action.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:56 AM
Nov 2013

I have voted for her every time she ran, but I believe we are done with that.

russspeakeasy

(6,539 posts)
4. someone posted a form that people who wanted to opt out of ACA
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 12:47 AM
Nov 2013

could sign.
I know it was satire, but damn it was spot on...
Anyone know where I can find it and bookmark it ?

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
28. That's because....
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:05 PM
Nov 2013

the repugs and media are leading the constant negative drumbeat.....with only whispers of support for ACA by dems.

pothos

(154 posts)
7. So sick of hearing this
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:44 AM
Nov 2013

This whole stupid thing affects like 3% of the population. It only affects personal plans, not employer plans. Something like 80% of people with individual plans CHANGE them EVERY year anyway! The reason their plans are changing is because they are junk, shit plans that don't meet the most basic standards of coverage. Arghghkfhgfkgh!!!

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
18. its truly hopeless
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 09:02 AM
Nov 2013

So, I tried some Scarborough this morning and literally, the first thing I hear as the TV comes on is ...

Danny Deusch saying how the ACA is pretty much Iraq ...

This is why we (America) can't win.

The supposedly "liberal" on this show is equating the efforts to reform our health care system to an administration that lied the country into the worst foreign policy disaster in our lives and no one was every held accountable for it.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
21. Danny's a lot like the "liberal" they put on fox
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:04 AM
Nov 2013

as soon as he opens his mouth you know the liberal part he's pullign from somewhere else.

He's a guy who was born with a silver spoon, never really dealt with real life in the US, and can't relate to the real world...

you know the one where you can't take a couple hours off in the morning 3 or 4 days a week to pontificate about how people should do their portfolio.

rucky

(35,211 posts)
15. I guess she missed this news from her state:
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:00 AM
Nov 2013
http://www.ibtimes.com/anthem-blue-cross-wellpoint-wlp-unit-sued-allegedly-tricking-tens-thousands-dropping-grandfathered

Anthem Blue Cross tricked tens of thousands of Calfornia policyholders into giving up health insurance plans from which they could not be dropped and pushing them into policies that Anthem knew would be cancelled, according to two lawsuits filed in Los Angeles...

RandiFan1290

(6,235 posts)
16. "Democrats" are going to gut ACA before it has a chance to start
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:18 AM
Nov 2013

Then we will see the majority we had for 2 years was 100% wasted.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
17. But, those were junk insurance plans that were cancelled!!!
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:56 AM
Nov 2013

Anybody that has been following this issue by watching Ed Schultz or Rachel Maddow knows this!!

Where were the Rethuglicans when insurance companies were cancelling our insurance plans years ago??
Where were the Rethuglicans when insurance companies turned down our claims for "pre-existing conditions"??
Where were the Rethuglicans when insurance companies jacked our rates for insurance up all of a sudden for insurance that was junk??

Who's in charge of the Democratic party, anyway, Ben Gozzi??

Geezus, this is stupid.
This is just inane!!

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
20. These anecdotes are getting very old
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 09:56 AM
Nov 2013

For example:

‘I work three jobs to pay the bills for my wife and daughter. I got a letter that my plan is going from $420 to $943. I went to HealthCare.Gov, then Covered California. I researched my premiums. A policy almost identical to my old one is being offered for $863. I’m now being forced to come up with over $400 a month with 30 days’ notice. Let me spell it out: I do not have the income to afford this.’

I'm afraid this one doesn't meet the smell test. He works 3 jobs to pay the bills? And can't get a subsidy?

Maybe he works 3 jobs out of choice rather than necessity?

Almost identical to his old one? Maybe the "almost" is the part outside the pure catastrophic. The part that he isn't paying for now. Gives me the idea that he's one of those parents who tells his kid with a broken arm to suck it up.

"I do not have the income to afford this"? Maybe he doesn't want to cut back on his box seats at the stadium or drive a 3 year old car.

My heart goes out to those people who had no choice but to buy a crappy plan that they could barely afford because they were responsible enough to know they needed the insurance but couldn't afford anything better. I'm sure we never hear these people's anecdotes because they go against the current anti-ACA movement.

Insurance companies suck. The whole health"care" industry (emphasis on the profit) sucks. Then there's the drug companies.

So how much does difi get from them?

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
22. I say BS to a plan that cost $420
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:18 AM
Nov 2013

This is a case where someone like Feinstein and the staffer can't decipher BS when the see it. There is no plan that covers a family for $420. Because none of these people have ever bought insurance on the open market they don't know better. this "rancho Mrage" father is a conservative that is Bs'ing everyone.

MsLeopard

(1,265 posts)
23. If DiFi's for it....
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:55 AM
Nov 2013

...it must mean hubby stands to make a bundle off it. That's the main driving force behind all of her votes. I stopped voting for her in the early 90s - she's the sorriest excuse for a Democrat that there is.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
25. well
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:30 AM
Nov 2013

why don't these dems join Republicans in repealing obamacare and dems forever stop trying to improve health care or trying to get
health care to those who need it.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. This is probably as good as we can expect.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 11:44 AM
Nov 2013

The numbers for the individual market aren't overwhelming--the vast majority of people leave it once they get a job that provides insurance.

Also, the disclosure section is useful because it forces insurance companies to disclose why their plans are getting dinged by the ACA.

bobGandolf

(871 posts)
27. Come on Feinstein !
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 01:01 PM
Nov 2013

What the hell is this? We have dems falling into line with the tea party. Just validating there bull shit.

lark

(23,102 posts)
29. If DINO Di-FI is for a bill, all sane Dems will oppose it.
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:00 PM
Nov 2013

She's one of the 1% and always votes in the interests of the rich and herself in particular. If she's for something, in general, I'm against it. See NSA, Patriot Act, this. She's just a villain in Dem clothes.

 

McXorsett

(21 posts)
30. So she agrees with Bill Clinton, heh?
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 05:09 PM
Nov 2013

Could it be that Bill and Feinstein (and Obama) want people to keep their insurance without this necessarily being the product of Bill being a dishonest evil Obama-bashing Hillary booster?

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
31. Let's just do Single Payer
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:43 PM
Nov 2013

I'm thinking it may go that way if enough complaints are patched in. And what makes these people think they will qualify for their old insurance after getting dropped. Dem's should NEVER fold to Teabaggers.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
32. you can't go back in time
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 07:57 PM
Nov 2013

the ACA has been in the works
for 4 years now.

think about the various networks of doctors,
and of hospitals.

contracts are signed, contracts expire,
with the anticipation of ACA.
That stuff can't be undone.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
33. Best bet is to just sit back and ride it all out
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 08:05 PM
Nov 2013

The fear is that the dems will help gut the law before it even starts but Obama will never give into the pressure. The man still has over 3 years in office and that is a lot of time to let things play out. Unless he decided to cave now (not likely after 5 years of non-stop pressure to do just that) he stands as a massive roadblock to any alterations to the law for years to come. The law will be given a chance, play out as it should, and it will be good in the end.

Just sit back, grab a drink, and let it all play out. Don't sweat the idea that the ACA will be gutted because a few spineless democrats Feinstein are losing their nerve. In times of trouble, a few members of any political party will run for the hills at the drop of a hat. Best to just let them go through their motions and pay them no mind.

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