Book: Jon Huntsman Sr. Told Reid That Romney Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years
Last edited Thu Oct 31, 2013, 07:42 PM - Edit history (1)
Source: TPM Livewire
The word is finally out.
The source of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) infamous claim during the 2012 presidential campaign that Mitt Romney had not paid any taxes in 10 years was Jon Huntsman Sr., the father of fellow GOP rival Jon Huntsman, according to a new book by Mark Halperin and John Heilemann called Double Down."
Reid bashed Romney with the claim, which he said came from a Republican and a Bain Capital investor, during the summer of 2012 as the former Mass. governor repeatedly refused to disclose the tax documents.
"He didn't pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain," Reid told the Huffington Post. "But obviously he can't release those tax returns. How would it look?"
Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/book-jon-huntsman-sr-told-reid-that-romney-didn-t-pay-any-taxes-in-10-years
NY Times profile of the book: Book Details Consideration of Replacing Biden on 2012 Ticket
toby jo
(1,269 posts)Indictable? Not a chance. I'm sure he has an army of accountants using every trick in the book so it all looks nice and legal. He could make fifty million in a year and after the accountants are done with the figures it comes out to a three million dollar loss.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)But it seems that's who he was talking about.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Are you retracting the suggestion regarding "The thing about not paying taxes isn't true."
If you aren't retracting it, back it up.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)"You can't proooooooove it!" is a ridiculous argument. I could assert that someone told me you've never paid taxes ever. That does not but the burden on you to prove it. My assumption is that people paid their taxes unless otherwise proven not to.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)You asserted it as fact and now cannot back it up.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)and basically spent his life becoming an expert in this for not just himself, but other millionaire$
Rmoney, is that you?
We know what you did. We read here.
Pterodactyl
(1,687 posts)Lobo27
(753 posts)I've read in a lot of places that they are seen as liberal dogs.
madrchsod
(58,162 posts)if this was another time in history jon huntsman would have been a president
Lobo27
(753 posts)FarPoint
(12,428 posts)The good thing was that the GOP voters did not understand his vast potential.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)when your base would rather watch sitcoms or YouTube rather than in depth news
FarPoint
(12,428 posts)The one advantage we can always count on.....
RiverNoord
(1,150 posts)sitcoms and youtube instead of 'watching' in-depth news? Just sayin'...
Brigid
(17,621 posts)I confess I have been known to waste time watching a certain show about zombies.
ZING!
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Ugh.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)"The Walking Dead" is on AMC.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)I think that's the show about Teabagger politicians in Congress, and their political future?
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Or maybe "The Missing Brains."
dmr
(28,349 posts)gopiscrap
(23,763 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)
and the one republican presidential debate I saw that he was in, he was the only one on the stage that sounded almost reasonable.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)gopiscrap
(23,763 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)http://democratsforprogress.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6741
When you decide you want to try to offer a new product or service whether in a new or existing business, you try to determine if there is a market for it. Is there a need for the new product or service, or through marketing can you create a desire for it? If you are introducing a new product to compete with existing products, how is your product different from the other products and is that difference something that people will find appealing?
Candidates can work in a similar way. From his campaign rollout speech, it is clear that Mr. Huntsman is trying to position himself as the one reasonable candidate who respects his Republican rivals for the nomination and ALSO respects President Obama. On Obama, Huntsman said that while he respects him, he just has a different vision for the country. Huntsman is also a smart guy who taught himself Mandarin Chinese, was the US Ambassador to China and Governor of Utah, knows American history and can speak knowledgeably about foreign policy issues.
For all that, there is a major problem with Candidate Huntsman. He is a product whose features have no market among the Republican electorate.
Republicans have no interest in a candidate who actually knows something. They seem to find willful ignorance irrelevant or even charming in a candidate. For instance, Sarah Palin's butchering and ignorance of history and current events is legend. Not only does she make up history as she goes along, when her error was pointed out, she insisted her version of Paul Revere's famous ride (he rode out to warn the British not to try to take our guns) was correct even though we are in the internet age when it is easy to look up such things and find out the truth. One of the last living really intelligent ultra-conservatives, Margaret Thatcher, refused to meet with Palin when Palin traveled to the UK to see Thatcher. As much as I disagree with many or most of Ms. Thatchers decisions as Prime Minister, I can only opine from a distance that Thatcher didnt want her legacy and brand of conservatism tarnished by meeting with someone who views being informed as an unnecessary inconvenience.
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davidpdx
(22,000 posts)He is also quite a bit more liberal as well. The race would have been close had Huntsman won the nomination instead of Rmoney.
gopiscrap
(23,763 posts)slor
(5,504 posts)I was so relieved when the crazies forced him out.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)If he made it past the Republican primary. I liked this guy from the moment he stood out as SANE in the GOP Primary.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)because of the idiots he was standing in front of.
BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)when it comes to confronting the Republicans.
Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)I have a great deal of respect for Senator Harry Reid.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)He's not perfect, but I'll take what I can get, and he HAS delivered on many an occasion.
hughee99
(16,113 posts)oh wait, that never happened. Reid seems to do a pretty good job until the shit and the fan start getting too close to each other.
1KansasDem
(251 posts)was speculated by some, at the time.
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)He's probably never payed taxes for 30 years
Rebellious Republican
(5,029 posts)poor people working the system. They do not like competition! Whats that old saying as has been proven right far to many times "thou do protest too loudly". Whenever Republicans protest about good morals, Family values, sex, homosexuals, pedophiles, taxes, gaming the system, etc.......
BainsBane
(53,053 posts)and his tax forms would have showed that he violated tax law in those years.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)that the returns would show he claimed California residency while still voting in Massachusetts.
pamela
(3,469 posts)I was wondering when they would start releasing tidbits like last time.
central scrutinizer
(11,659 posts)to get the taxes paid up above 10%. Of course, I am sure that has now been amended back to the original miniscule percentage.
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... and no 10%-paid return was really ever filed.
crazylikafox
(2,760 posts)Tanuki
(14,920 posts)"all you people need to know."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/mitt-romney-economy_b_1690224.html
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lastlib
(23,268 posts)"Taxes are for 'you people'."
Fuck the 1% !
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,154 posts)underpants
(182,866 posts)I have Mormon on Mormon crime
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Chickenhawk Republicons like Romnoid just want to exploit America, and otherwise they crap all over it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)What a Johnsonian move!!
Why, Lyndon, you KNOW he didn't do that!
Well, I just wanna hear him DENY it...!
Who said Harry didn't know how to play hardball? That was one of the most significant moves of the last election, and it did Mittsy in--he just couldn't put that shit behind him!!!
I KNEW it was a Mormon who clued him in--someone with access to the "tithing" records....I just didn't know who it was....
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)I remember a lot of DUers making that prediction last year - so to all that called it.
Buzz505
(92 posts)Neither pay tax. That's why kids will go hungry w/o food stamps, just no money per the Repubs. I guess Romney is also a non profit!!
indepat
(20,899 posts)his lawful income taxes for a ten-year period or a tax code with so many loopholes that a taxpayer, with a multi-million dollar annual income, had no income tax liability during the ten-year period? Personally, I would think the government would be more corrupt than the person were a criminal.
Gore1FL
(21,151 posts)they never held him accountable on the taxes in a meaningful way. His refusal should have disqualified him from the nomination.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)There was no other outcome but Romney, T-1 day to the start of the primary. NO other outcome.
Romney could have killed a little old lady on-stage on national TV, and I bet the outcome would still have been him. There was no actual contest. There was Romney, a couple book tours, and a couple hopeless delusionals on stage with him, and that's it.
No other outcome. The Primaries were crafted in such a way as to produce a viable Romney candidacy. It was a fight, but the corking of the Paul supporters and whatnot was engineered from the start.
It was hilarious to watch, because next time, a lot of those folks won't be returning to play the game. It's my hope that was the last credible GOP presidential candidate for the next decade. And even he lost by a ridiculous margin.
mikeysnot
(4,757 posts)was that it should be none of anyone's business. I had repigs tell me this, so they self rationalized it out of the campaign.
The same party that needed/demanded Hilary Clinton's tax returns back to 1978 during the Whitewater investigations.
The "wife of the presidents who held no public office" and "was not running for office" was always my response.
Duh, derp or silence was always the response....
gopiscrap
(23,763 posts)cleduc
(653 posts)Their eldest son, Jon Huntsman, Jr., was elected governor of Utah in 2004, later became ambassador to China, and was a candidate running for President in the 2012 election.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Huntsman,_Sr.
Huntsman (Sr) is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and served as an Area Seventy from 1996 to 2011. He also served as a regional representative, stake president and as president of the Washington, D.C. Mission from 1980 to 1983.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
Faithful members adhere to laws regarding sexual purity, health, fasting, and Sabbath observance, and contribute ten percent of their income to the church as a tithe.
You'd think an Area Seventy like Jon, Sr. would be in a position to know if one of their wealthiest "faithful" members, Romney, was telling his church that he made no income when the Church came looking for his 10% tithe. Now Romney did give his church lots of money. But I'm sure Romney didn't keep it too much of a secret about how it was above and beyond the call ... to secure Mormon votes and financial support.
Motive, means and opportunity for Jon, Sr? I would guess so.
FreeState
(10,575 posts)You pay it on your increase - not on what you pay in taxes. The Church has never required or asked for tax returns from its members, its paid on your increase according to your word - you don't show proof of income ever.
gopiscrap
(23,763 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)In my book.
ctsnowman
(1,903 posts)and even had to sell some of their stocks to get by. They are just like us.
jessie04
(1,528 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I mean, ok, eminently beatable candidate, and that's helpful but...
After a while, even the Romney jokes get old. I need fresh material.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)And we do that by voting for those brave enough to do everything they can to make it happen.
valerief
(53,235 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)... And it owes the rest of us a lot more for ruining the country.
JHB
(37,161 posts)Fri Aug 3, 2012, 01:43 AM Adenoid_Hynkel (11,783 posts)
Reid: 'Extremely credible source' said Romney didn't pay taxes for decade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014184186
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 06:48 PM Star Member babylonsister (145,512 posts)
There's a Rumor Going Round.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125166034
Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:02 PM Star Member Tx4obama (34,220 posts)
Harry Reid Aide: Source On Romneys Taxes Is A Republican (Update: he walked it back)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125166482
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:42 PM Star Member ProSense (107,563 posts)
Jon Huntsman Sr., longtime Romney backer, calls on him to release tax returns
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021105291
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:46 PM Star Member Segami (6,877 posts)
Romney BACKER URGES Mitt: RELEASE MORE RETURNS!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021105307
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:09 PM highplainsdem (11,291 posts)
Jon Huntsman Sr. Calls On Romney To Release His Tax Returns
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014189964
Fri May 17, 2013, 10:15 AM Star Member Scuba (30,972 posts)
RNC SPOKESWOMAN ADMITS HARRY REID WAS RIGHT ABOUT ROMNEYS TAXES
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022857272
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Sh*t if it was me I would be in jail.
pansypoo53219
(20,987 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)StrayKat
(570 posts)Has Romney gone back yet, and amended last year's taxes that he had to voluntarily up to meet his personal 13% minimum during his campaign?