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alp227

(32,047 posts)
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:27 PM Oct 2013

Book: Jon Huntsman Sr. Told Reid That Romney Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years

Last edited Thu Oct 31, 2013, 07:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: TPM Livewire

The word is finally out.

The source of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's (D-NV) infamous claim during the 2012 presidential campaign that Mitt Romney had not paid any taxes in 10 years was Jon Huntsman Sr., the father of fellow GOP rival Jon Huntsman, according to a new book by Mark Halperin and John Heilemann called “Double Down."

Reid bashed Romney with the claim, which he said came from a Republican and a Bain Capital investor, during the summer of 2012 as the former Mass. governor repeatedly refused to disclose the tax documents.

"He didn't pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain," Reid told the Huffington Post. "But obviously he can't release those tax returns. How would it look?"

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/book-jon-huntsman-sr-told-reid-that-romney-didn-t-pay-any-taxes-in-10-years



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Book: Jon Huntsman Sr. Told Reid That Romney Didn't Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years (Original Post) alp227 Oct 2013 OP
Indictable? Hope so. toby jo Oct 2013 #1
Nope Gary 50 Oct 2013 #8
I think because he said it on the Senate floor, Reid is legally protected. Pterodactyl Nov 2013 #35
He meant Romney, not Reid. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #45
Why would Romney be indicted? The thing about not paying taxes isn't true. Pterodactyl Nov 2013 #69
Poster may not know that. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #71
Yeah, we gotta remember that what is said during a campaign and the truth are different things. Pterodactyl Nov 2013 #72
Did I miss where all of his tax returns were actually released? nt stevenleser Nov 2013 #75
Maybe you did. Did I miss where the IRS nabbed him for back taxes? Pterodactyl Nov 2013 #79
You are the one who asserted something as fact and now cannot back it up apparently. stevenleser Nov 2013 #80
FACT: He was never charged with a crime. Pterodactyl Nov 2013 #84
Again: That is not the same as proving the assertion wrong that he didn't file/pay taxes. stevenleser Nov 2013 #85
And you cannot back up the assertion that he did not pay. And you can't prove you paid your taxes. Pterodactyl Nov 2013 #86
did you miss where he's got million$ hidden away in tax haven$ wordpix Nov 2013 #81
I'm sure the IRS was all over it if there was anything illegal. Pterodactyl Nov 2013 #83
Damn, how long until the Huntsmans are banished from the GoP. Lobo27 Oct 2013 #2
the republican party left the huntsmans a long time ago madrchsod Oct 2013 #11
Yeah, I've read that David Axlerod feared him above all the other GoP candidates. Lobo27 Oct 2013 #12
So did I.... FarPoint Oct 2013 #18
That's what you get Plucketeer Oct 2013 #20
Exactly! FarPoint Oct 2013 #23
Um... so we don't waste time watching RiverNoord Oct 2013 #33
Well . . . Brigid Oct 2013 #34
Oh... Turborama Nov 2013 #40
You confess to watching "Fox and Friends"? Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #61
I categorically deny watching anything on FOX Noise. Brigid Nov 2013 #62
I think I've heard of that show. Never watched it myself. Ikonoklast Nov 2013 #65
No, but that wouldn't be a bad title for such a show. Brigid Nov 2013 #67
"The Brains That Never Were" dmr Nov 2013 #68
that's what I read also gopiscrap Nov 2013 #36
Which is precisely why he was eliminated. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #46
exactly gopiscrap Nov 2013 #50
Ahem... "Huntsman – Too Sane and Too Informed for a Tea Party Crazed GOP?" stevenleser Nov 2013 #76
I think Huntsman would have been a much stronger candidate than Romney davidpdx Nov 2013 #41
he was the one I was worried about also. gopiscrap Nov 2013 #51
I feared his nomination too... slor Nov 2013 #60
I would have considered voting for Jon Huntsman... LovingA2andMI Nov 2013 #39
He only looked that way mikeysnot Nov 2013 #55
Which reminds me, Reid has been nothing short of heroic these past five years BeyondGeography Oct 2013 #3
Thank you! Cracklin Charlie Oct 2013 #14
He's earned a boatload of respect from me. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #47
Exactly, I remember when he shut down all of this 60 vote filibuster horseshit... hughee99 Nov 2013 #78
Seems like the Huntsman name 1KansasDem Oct 2013 #4
And he's probably quietly amended his other returns since then thelordofhell Oct 2013 #5
This is why the 1 percenters scream so loudly about Rebellious Republican Oct 2013 #6
I bet he also took advantage of that amnesty for stashing money overseas BainsBane Oct 2013 #7
ding ding ding we have a winner! elehhhhna Oct 2013 #27
I always though the reason was SwankyXomb Nov 2013 #66
I have "Game Change:Double Down" preordered pamela Oct 2013 #9
remember he did fudge the one he did release central scrutinizer Oct 2013 #10
You assume what we saw wasn't a photoshopped version ... Myrina Nov 2013 #44
I guess that makes him one of those damn "takers", not one of the "makers". crazylikafox Oct 2013 #13
No wonder Ann(toinette) Romney thought the crumb of info they tossed out was Tanuki Oct 2013 #15
(She looks ready to put the bite on that poor horse.....) lastlib Oct 2013 #19
reminder: that horse was a 700K tax write off annually elehhhhna Oct 2013 #28
Mormon infighting Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2013 #16
Spot on underpants Oct 2013 #25
There's your Republicon "patriotism" right there Berlum Oct 2013 #17
Har har har......! Gotta love it..... MADem Oct 2013 #21
The odds of it being Huntsman Sr were quite high Ruby the Liberal Oct 2013 #22
Romney=NFL Buzz505 Oct 2013 #24
What would be more despicable: a taxpayer, with a multi-million dollar annual income, who did pay indepat Oct 2013 #26
I never understood, with all of the "Anybody but Romney" energy in the GOP during the primaries Gore1FL Oct 2013 #29
I saw some infighting over that, but these fuckers... 'Lockstep' doesn't even begin to describe it AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #48
The republicant meme then mikeysnot Nov 2013 #57
figures gopiscrap Oct 2013 #30
Let's think about this ..... cleduc Oct 2013 #31
Tithing has nothing to do with taxes FreeState Nov 2013 #59
just think if that came out during the election? gopiscrap Oct 2013 #32
all candidates should have to disclose taxes Marrah_G Nov 2013 #37
This should be criminal. Enthusiast Nov 2013 #38
That's not fair Robme and Queen Ann played poor once when they were in college ctsnowman Nov 2013 #42
Well, maybe Round 2.... Romney 2016 !! jessie04 Nov 2013 #43
Please no... AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #49
Filthy rich people don't pay taxes. They don't have to. No one makes them. nt valerief Nov 2013 #52
So we demand that the law be changed. Brigid Nov 2013 #64
We do, but how do you change the minds of the LIVs who believe Faux News and MSM news? nt valerief Nov 2013 #73
The right-wing media owes Reid an apology. ... JEFF9K Nov 2013 #53
+1000 abelenkpe Nov 2013 #54
Some of those oldie threads JHB Nov 2013 #56
And where is the IRS? Iliyah Nov 2013 #63
RECIND tax breaks for investment INCOME. pansypoo53219 Nov 2013 #58
+1000 wordpix Nov 2013 #82
k&r nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #70
that's why romney wanted to hide his tax returns from the american voters. Sunlei Nov 2013 #74
Tax amendment? StrayKat Nov 2013 #77

Gary 50

(382 posts)
8. Nope
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:59 PM
Oct 2013

Indictable? Not a chance. I'm sure he has an army of accountants using every trick in the book so it all looks nice and legal. He could make fifty million in a year and after the accountants are done with the figures it comes out to a three million dollar loss.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
80. You are the one who asserted something as fact and now cannot back it up apparently.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 12:04 AM
Nov 2013

Are you retracting the suggestion regarding "The thing about not paying taxes isn't true."

If you aren't retracting it, back it up.

Pterodactyl

(1,687 posts)
84. FACT: He was never charged with a crime.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 09:40 AM
Nov 2013

"You can't proooooooove it!" is a ridiculous argument. I could assert that someone told me you've never paid taxes ever. That does not but the burden on you to prove it. My assumption is that people paid their taxes unless otherwise proven not to.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
85. Again: That is not the same as proving the assertion wrong that he didn't file/pay taxes.
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 09:58 AM
Nov 2013

You asserted it as fact and now cannot back it up.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
81. did you miss where he's got million$ hidden away in tax haven$
Sun Nov 3, 2013, 12:33 AM
Nov 2013

and basically spent his life becoming an expert in this for not just himself, but other millionaire$

Rmoney, is that you?

We know what you did. We read here.

Lobo27

(753 posts)
2. Damn, how long until the Huntsmans are banished from the GoP.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:39 PM
Oct 2013

I've read in a lot of places that they are seen as liberal dogs.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
11. the republican party left the huntsmans a long time ago
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 07:09 PM
Oct 2013

if this was another time in history jon huntsman would have been a president

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
20. That's what you get
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:17 PM
Oct 2013

when your base would rather watch sitcoms or YouTube rather than in depth news

 

RiverNoord

(1,150 posts)
33. Um... so we don't waste time watching
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:39 PM
Oct 2013

sitcoms and youtube instead of 'watching' in-depth news? Just sayin'...

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
65. I think I've heard of that show. Never watched it myself.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:42 PM
Nov 2013

I think that's the show about Teabagger politicians in Congress, and their political future?

gopiscrap

(23,763 posts)
36. that's what I read also
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:50 AM
Nov 2013

Last edited Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:54 AM - Edit history (1)

and the one republican presidential debate I saw that he was in, he was the only one on the stage that sounded almost reasonable.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
76. Ahem... "Huntsman – Too Sane and Too Informed for a Tea Party Crazed GOP?"
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:31 PM
Nov 2013


http://democratsforprogress.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6741



When you decide you want to try to offer a new product or service whether in a new or existing business, you try to determine if there is a market for it. Is there a need for the new product or service, or through marketing can you create a desire for it? If you are introducing a new product to compete with existing products, how is your product different from the other products and is that difference something that people will find appealing?

Candidates can work in a similar way. From his campaign rollout speech, it is clear that Mr. Huntsman is trying to position himself as the one reasonable candidate who respects his Republican rivals for the nomination and ALSO respects President Obama. On Obama, Huntsman said that while he respects him, he just has a different vision for the country. Huntsman is also a smart guy who taught himself Mandarin Chinese, was the US Ambassador to China and Governor of Utah, knows American history and can speak knowledgeably about foreign policy issues.

For all that, there is a major problem with Candidate Huntsman. He is a product whose features have no market among the Republican electorate.

Republicans have no interest in a candidate who actually knows something. They seem to find willful ignorance irrelevant or even charming in a candidate. For instance, Sarah Palin's butchering and ignorance of history and current events is legend. Not only does she make up history as she goes along, when her error was pointed out, she insisted her version of Paul Revere's famous ride (he rode out to warn the British not to try to take our guns) was correct even though we are in the internet age when it is easy to look up such things and find out the truth. One of the last living really intelligent ultra-conservatives, Margaret Thatcher, refused to meet with Palin when Palin traveled to the UK to see Thatcher. As much as I disagree with many or most of Ms. Thatcher’s decisions as Prime Minister, I can only opine from a distance that Thatcher didn’t want her legacy and brand of conservatism tarnished by meeting with someone who views being informed as an unnecessary inconvenience.
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davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
41. I think Huntsman would have been a much stronger candidate than Romney
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:22 AM
Nov 2013

He is also quite a bit more liberal as well. The race would have been close had Huntsman won the nomination instead of Rmoney.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
39. I would have considered voting for Jon Huntsman...
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:58 AM
Nov 2013

If he made it past the Republican primary. I liked this guy from the moment he stood out as SANE in the GOP Primary.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
3. Which reminds me, Reid has been nothing short of heroic these past five years
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:39 PM
Oct 2013

when it comes to confronting the Republicans.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
47. He's earned a boatload of respect from me.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:27 AM
Nov 2013

He's not perfect, but I'll take what I can get, and he HAS delivered on many an occasion.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
78. Exactly, I remember when he shut down all of this 60 vote filibuster horseshit...
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 05:03 PM
Nov 2013

oh wait, that never happened. Reid seems to do a pretty good job until the shit and the fan start getting too close to each other.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
5. And he's probably quietly amended his other returns since then
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:47 PM
Oct 2013

He's probably never payed taxes for 30 years

 

Rebellious Republican

(5,029 posts)
6. This is why the 1 percenters scream so loudly about
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:51 PM
Oct 2013

poor people working the system. They do not like competition! Whats that old saying as has been proven right far to many times "thou do protest too loudly". Whenever Republicans protest about good morals, Family values, sex, homosexuals, pedophiles, taxes, gaming the system, etc.......

BainsBane

(53,053 posts)
7. I bet he also took advantage of that amnesty for stashing money overseas
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 06:53 PM
Oct 2013

and his tax forms would have showed that he violated tax law in those years.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
66. I always though the reason was
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:01 PM
Nov 2013

that the returns would show he claimed California residency while still voting in Massachusetts.

pamela

(3,469 posts)
9. I have "Game Change:Double Down" preordered
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 07:02 PM
Oct 2013

I was wondering when they would start releasing tidbits like last time.

central scrutinizer

(11,659 posts)
10. remember he did fudge the one he did release
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 07:04 PM
Oct 2013

to get the taxes paid up above 10%. Of course, I am sure that has now been amended back to the original miniscule percentage.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
44. You assume what we saw wasn't a photoshopped version ...
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:15 AM
Nov 2013

... and no 10%-paid return was really ever filed.

lastlib

(23,268 posts)
19. (She looks ready to put the bite on that poor horse.....)
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:17 PM
Oct 2013

"Taxes are for 'you people'."

Fuck the 1% !

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
17. There's your Republicon "patriotism" right there
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:09 PM
Oct 2013

Chickenhawk Republicons like Romnoid just want to exploit America, and otherwise they crap all over it.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
21. Har har har......! Gotta love it.....
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:18 PM
Oct 2013

What a Johnsonian move!!


Why, Lyndon, you KNOW he didn't do that!

Well, I just wanna hear him DENY it...!

Who said Harry didn't know how to play hardball? That was one of the most significant moves of the last election, and it did Mittsy in--he just couldn't put that shit behind him!!!

I KNEW it was a Mormon who clued him in--someone with access to the "tithing" records....I just didn't know who it was....

Ruby the Liberal

(26,219 posts)
22. The odds of it being Huntsman Sr were quite high
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:25 PM
Oct 2013

I remember a lot of DUers making that prediction last year - so to all that called it.

Buzz505

(92 posts)
24. Romney=NFL
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:37 PM
Oct 2013

Neither pay tax. That's why kids will go hungry w/o food stamps, just no money per the Repubs. I guess Romney is also a non profit!!

indepat

(20,899 posts)
26. What would be more despicable: a taxpayer, with a multi-million dollar annual income, who did pay
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:57 PM
Oct 2013

his lawful income taxes for a ten-year period or a tax code with so many loopholes that a taxpayer, with a multi-million dollar annual income, had no income tax liability during the ten-year period? Personally, I would think the government would be more corrupt than the person were a criminal.

Gore1FL

(21,151 posts)
29. I never understood, with all of the "Anybody but Romney" energy in the GOP during the primaries
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:08 PM
Oct 2013

they never held him accountable on the taxes in a meaningful way. His refusal should have disqualified him from the nomination.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
48. I saw some infighting over that, but these fuckers... 'Lockstep' doesn't even begin to describe it
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:33 AM
Nov 2013

There was no other outcome but Romney, T-1 day to the start of the primary. NO other outcome.

Romney could have killed a little old lady on-stage on national TV, and I bet the outcome would still have been him. There was no actual contest. There was Romney, a couple book tours, and a couple hopeless delusionals on stage with him, and that's it.

No other outcome. The Primaries were crafted in such a way as to produce a viable Romney candidacy. It was a fight, but the corking of the Paul supporters and whatnot was engineered from the start.

It was hilarious to watch, because next time, a lot of those folks won't be returning to play the game. It's my hope that was the last credible GOP presidential candidate for the next decade. And even he lost by a ridiculous margin.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
57. The republicant meme then
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:03 PM
Nov 2013

was that it should be none of anyone's business. I had repigs tell me this, so they self rationalized it out of the campaign.

The same party that needed/demanded Hilary Clinton's tax returns back to 1978 during the Whitewater investigations.

The "wife of the presidents who held no public office" and "was not running for office" was always my response.

Duh, derp or silence was always the response....

 

cleduc

(653 posts)
31. Let's think about this .....
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:10 PM
Oct 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Huntsman,_Sr.
Their eldest son, Jon Huntsman, Jr., was elected governor of Utah in 2004, later became ambassador to China, and was a candidate running for President in the 2012 election.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Huntsman,_Sr.
Huntsman (Sr) is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and served as an Area Seventy from 1996 to 2011. He also served as a regional representative, stake president and as president of the Washington, D.C. Mission from 1980 to 1983.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints
Faithful members adhere to laws regarding sexual purity, health, fasting, and Sabbath observance, and contribute ten percent of their income to the church as a tithe.


You'd think an Area Seventy like Jon, Sr. would be in a position to know if one of their wealthiest "faithful" members, Romney, was telling his church that he made no income when the Church came looking for his 10% tithe. Now Romney did give his church lots of money. But I'm sure Romney didn't keep it too much of a secret about how it was above and beyond the call ... to secure Mormon votes and financial support.

Motive, means and opportunity for Jon, Sr? I would guess so.

FreeState

(10,575 posts)
59. Tithing has nothing to do with taxes
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 02:11 PM
Nov 2013

You pay it on your increase - not on what you pay in taxes. The Church has never required or asked for tax returns from its members, its paid on your increase according to your word - you don't show proof of income ever.

ctsnowman

(1,903 posts)
42. That's not fair Robme and Queen Ann played poor once when they were in college
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 10:20 AM
Nov 2013

and even had to sell some of their stocks to get by. They are just like us.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
49. Please no...
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 11:35 AM
Nov 2013

I mean, ok, eminently beatable candidate, and that's helpful but...

After a while, even the Romney jokes get old. I need fresh material.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
64. So we demand that the law be changed.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 03:38 PM
Nov 2013

And we do that by voting for those brave enough to do everything they can to make it happen.

JEFF9K

(1,935 posts)
53. The right-wing media owes Reid an apology. ...
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 12:37 PM
Nov 2013

... And it owes the rest of us a lot more for ruining the country.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
56. Some of those oldie threads
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 01:01 PM
Nov 2013

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 01:43 AM Adenoid_Hynkel (11,783 posts)
Reid: 'Extremely credible source' said Romney didn't pay taxes for decade
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014184186

Wed Aug 8, 2012, 06:48 PM Star Member babylonsister (145,512 posts)
There's a Rumor Going Round.....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125166034

Thu Aug 9, 2012, 07:02 PM Star Member Tx4obama (34,220 posts)
Harry Reid Aide: Source On Romney’s Taxes Is A Republican (Update: he walked it back)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/125166482

Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:42 PM Star Member ProSense (107,563 posts)
Jon Huntsman Sr., longtime Romney backer, calls on him to release tax returns
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021105291

Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:46 PM Star Member Segami (6,877 posts)
Romney BACKER URGES Mitt: RELEASE MORE RETURNS!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021105307

Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:09 PM highplainsdem (11,291 posts)
Jon Huntsman Sr. Calls On Romney To Release His Tax Returns
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014189964



Fri May 17, 2013, 10:15 AM Star Member Scuba (30,972 posts)
RNC SPOKESWOMAN ADMITS HARRY REID WAS RIGHT ABOUT ROMNEY’S TAXES
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022857272

StrayKat

(570 posts)
77. Tax amendment?
Sat Nov 2, 2013, 04:46 PM
Nov 2013

Has Romney gone back yet, and amended last year's taxes that he had to voluntarily up to meet his personal 13% minimum during his campaign?

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