Report: Hillary on 2016, “I’m Minded To Do It”

[brooklynite]

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Source: Time

Hillary Clinton has publicly stated she has yet to make up her mind on running for president in 2016, but a report from Scottish newspaper the Herald indicates her position has firmed behind closed doors.

At a private gathering earlier this month after receiving an honorary degree from St Andrews University, Clinton was reportedly pressed by some of the “august” crowd about her presidential intentions.

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She smiled and gave what was described as a neutral answer. The guest persisted. Again, Mrs Clinton politely gave a neutral answer. When pressed a third time, the ex-Secretary of State replied: “I haven’t made up my mind yet.”

This was humorously described as an unsatisfactory answer, to which Mrs Clinton replied: “Yes, it is unsatisfactory,” and then added: “I’m minded to do it.”

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Just a reminder before the Hillary-bashing starts:

Elizabeth Warren - not running / supports Hillary (see #14)

Alan Grayson - not running

Howard Dean - supports Hillary

[moriah]

1. Unless I'm convinced by another candidate, if she runs I'll try to phone bank for her.

I did it in 2008, I don't know if I'll be able to put in nearly as many hours.

All of our potential nominees are good people and strong candidates. It's a wonderful thing to have so many great people to pick from!

[marmar]

2. Mon dieu.....

Goodness knows Huffington Post has already started the Hillary coronation.

[antigop]

7. yes, the "inevitability" meme is alive and well...especially on DU. nt

[antigop]

9. and the "inevitability" meme is coupled with the "no one else is electable" meme. nt

[7962]

38. EVERYONE is electable when you look at the shambles the GOP is in

They wont get behind a candidate that would appeal to the middle, and a candidate who is far right enough for them wont get the middle. Result: they lose. again.

[groundloop]

3. No Hillary Bashing here. I might happen to prefer Elizabeth Warren, but if Hillary is the nominee..

I'll contribute to her campaign, support her, and of course vote for her.

[totodeinhere]

25. Of course supporting another candidate is not tantamount to bashing Clinton.

Clinton is not my first choice either but I agree that we should remain civil and refrain from bashing. And that's a two way street. Clinton supporters should not bash those of us who prefer someone else either.

[Nye Bevan]

4. Of course she is.

Who doesn't run for President of the United States when they are the overwhelming front-runner in the polls? The only thing that could possibly keep her out is a major health issue.

[cosmicone]

5. I supported Hillary in 2008 and I'll do it again

Elizabeth Warren - not electable outside New England.

Alan Grayson - not electable anywhere - I doubt he could even carry his home state.


Hillary Clinton - Julian Castro may even carry Texas.

[Jamiletto]

6. I have no doubts she will

And she is the hands-down favorite.

[Wilms]

8. Nice job framing the oppo.

Anyone who doesn't want republican-lite is "Hillary bashing".

But yeah, Nice job. Where did you get your training? The Progressive (LOL) Policy Institute?

[brooklynite]

16. I'd call it "framing the truth"

I have no problem with anyone holding a policy difference, or advocating an alternative (assuming the alternative is realistic and not a fantasy). But this is the only place I've come across voices that say "I'll never vote for her even if she's the nominee".

[Wilms]

28. But that's NOT "Hillary bashing".

It's disgust with the "third way". But it's more convenient and a lot less messy to claim that it's about "Hillary bashing" than confronting the actual nature of the revulsion.

Someone on THIS board made a "pantsuit" reference and it pissed me off. And I pissed myself off not going after that poster. Hillary is a woman. On a given day it doesn't matter to me at all, on others I appreciate that she has a record of helping in efforts toward equality. Great. First woman President?: wonderful and why the hell not.

Here's why not. And it has ZERO to do with her gender. It has everything to do with what the DLC and neocons are about. Since they're so into a "third way" they ought to form a THIRD PARTY and stop corrupting the Democratic one. Moderate Republicans will join them and they'd instantly be a really powerful party.

But then real Democrats will get to speak their minds, not being constrained by the need to get money from the DCCC and all that. A REAL debate can ensue in this country. And it's last thing the one-percenters and their 19 percenter sycophants want.

[brooklynite]

36. Setting aside the point that DLC hasn't existed in years.....

...and the point that most voters are in the center of the Liberal-Conservative split.....

...and the point that the Centrists you disdain still have miles of distance between them and the Republicans.....

...I'd say your suggestion that the Democratic Party purify itself of the insufficiently liberal is likely to be as successful as the tea Party's war against the "establishment GOP".

But don't let me stop you.....since you won't actually be doing anything other than venting at your keyboard, while folks like me will be reaching out to candidates we support, raising money, and working to get people elected.


See you in 2016....

[Wilms]

43. The usual BS stating, "DLC hasn't existed in years".

So they changed it to (get this everyone) the Progressive Policy Institute. Co-Opt much?

The point IS that "...most voters are in the center of the Liberal-Conservative split..." I already said a new Centrist Party would be quite successful.

The Centrist democrats do not have miles between them and Republicans when it comes to serious issues in banking and trade, for instance. It's a "good cop, bad cop" deal and it's not argument unknown.

And there you go with your framing about "purification". Nice try. Do you getting rid of the same economic teams recycled/formed through both Republican and democratic administrations? If so, I'd agree.

And of course the self-righteous sniping about activism. That's how 2010 happened. Lots of people who worked hard for Hope and Change stayed home. They got it, now. And thirty years of economic data doesn't lie.

You won't see me in 2016. I'm not part of the 20%er crowd. But enjoy the smugness of being in charge. And thanks for wrecking the joint.

[NYC_SKP]

10. We may as well run Diane Feinstein. (nt)

[msongs]

19. there you go again "hillary bashing", which means not fawning or supplicating lol nt

[Miranda4peace]

11. It wouldn't be a good idea to run someone who has publicly declared support for lobbyists.

I know because of that the youth vote is out, maybe she can get enough moderate republican support to make up for that.

[bowens43]

12. More of the same, how depressing.

[Beacool]

13. It's sad that you had to preface it with a list of those who are not running.

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As someone said recently in another post, sometimes it feels around here like we wondered to the Freepers' site.

Personally, I think that she hasn't made up her mind yet. Hillary is a pragmatist. I think that after next year's midterm elections she will assess whether a) she has a reasonable chance to win the nomination and b) whether a Democrat can win the G.E. in 2016.

[brooklynite]

14. UPDATE: Elizabeth Warren supporting Hillary run...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023950130

[Beacool]

18. Seems pretty clear to me.

All of the female Democratic senators signed a secret letter to Hillary Rodham Clinton early this year encouraging her to run for president in 2016 – a letter that includes the signature of Sen. Elizabeth Warren and other senators who are mentioned as potential candidates, two high-ranking Democratic Senate aides told ABC News.

[SoapBox]

15. Oh my...

As much as I like her...I don't think America will elect her.

Two reasons...she's Hillary...and...she's a woman.

Sad that the majority won't put her in office...and we must take the office again.

[TBF]

17. OK.

I know you still need a lot of convincing re Texas, but please keep in mind Julian Castro for VP vetting. He is VERY popular. He's young so he can wait, just want to get him back to the convention again and get his name out there. He's an up and comer for us.

[NCagainstMcCrony]

20. Flame me if you want

The bottom line is Hillary could not even beat a half black man with the middle name Hussein in a very racist country.
Hillary has zero, no make that less than zero chance of ever being president.
And, the coat tails from a Hillary debacle would lose us the House and Senate by margins that would take a decade to recover from.
Stop living in the bubble. Hillary has no chance.

[brooklynite]

21. Right, because NOBODY who's lost an election has ever won at a later date.

[NCagainstMcCrony]

22. Right

No one who lost as bad as she did has.
Thanks for reaffirming my point.

[brooklynite]

23. And by "as bad as she did" you mean...

getting more popular votes than Obama did?

getting 46% of the delegate vote?

winning California, NY, Texas, Ohio, Florida, Pennsylvania?

I'm amazed she can show her face in public.

[NCagainstMcCrony]

24. Me too

If I had ever been a corporate lawyer on the board of Walmart I would never be able to look at myself in the mirror again.

[Beacool]

30. Oh please, the drama..........

It was in a different era and Sam Walton was alive.

[Beacool]

29. Thank you, I don't have the energy to fight ignorance.

[Lil Missy]

31. Zero chance huh?

I think you're going to have a very rough ride ahead.

And PS - racist much?

[Old and In the Way]

26. I think she can win.

And if that sends every Republican off the deep end, well...bonus.

[joe_sixpack]

27. Since it's a forgone conclusion

Why not save the war chest and her energy by avoiding the primaries and getting strong for the battle in the general? This will also negate the mudslinging that's standard in primaries as candidates try to gain a leg up on the competition. The republican primaries are a prime example, as none of the candidates remained unscathed.

[peacebird]

34. It's not a foregone conclusion. I hope a primary gives us a better candidate.

[Bluenorthwest]

32. Here in Oregon, we have what we call Democratic Primary Elections. We love them.

To get our electoral votes, you have to win one of these elections. Last time, Hillary lost our Primary to Obama, but she won much respect in the process. Respect does not help with the nomination thingy.
One thing about us out this way, we won't be told by a far flung folks with agendas what we will or will not do. In fact attempting to do so is a path to swift rejection.

[True Blue Door]

33. Hillary Clinton had her chance to show a basic moral foundation in October 2002.

There had not been a starker moral decision before this country since the Civil War: One side was lying through its teeth, making a thousand lies a minute and every one of them almost instantly debunked, clamoring for a war of aggression the world categorically refused to condone, and on the other side was the law, the facts, and common human decency. Guess which side she chose?

She not only failed spectacularly in the most critical decision this country had faced in ages, but still does not accept any responsibility for her actions. She still splits legal and moral hairs to act like she did nothing wrong.

I will never support her in a primary, and I do not believe she would win an election if she were nominated. She is a weak, amoral leader, a narcissistic character, and an incompetent politician who signed on to treason because she thought it would help her chances of later election.

Obviously I would still vote for her in a general election, because a sociopath with a progressive social agenda is still better than a sociopath with a conservative agenda, but I would have no confidence in her either as a candidate or a President. So I seriously hope we can come up with someone better before those primaries, because Hillary Clinton is the best we can do, we deserve whatever we get.

[brooklynite]

35. Hillary Clintom = "sociopath"?

That's certainly a new one....

[True Blue Door]

40. I reiterate a key part of my comment:

She signed on to a treasonous war of aggression because she thought it would help her political career, and to this day denies doing anything wrong. It doesn't get much more depraved than that.

[Whisp]

42. How anyone can overlook that depravity is way beyond my understanding.

This is the stuff of Cheney and Wolfowitz and the like...
They also don't apologize.

[True Blue Door]

44. Exactly. I've never seen a Democrat so like Richard Nixon in personality.

And so unlike Nixon in political acumen. If she had voted against the Iraq War, if she had shown real leadership and courage, we would be in her Presidency right now. I actually pity her, because she still doesn't get it. She couldn't see from the Senate what I saw plainly as a 19-year-old in 2002, and still doesn't see it - and you can't go from that level of cluelessness and amorality to being presidential material. The absolute height of her potential is that she isn't a Republican, and that's not even close to being enough. I hope we find someone remotely worthy of nomination, and don't have to default to her.

[brisas2k]

47. The supreme love of power above everything else is what drives her...

.. it's deeply entrenched in some individuals' psyche. You used the right term: "narcissistic", for, they love power because it makes them feel more important than anyone else. Deprived of attention as children? maybe. And yes, they tend to drift towards sociopathy.

Right on the money.

[DonCoquixote]

39. this reply is worthy to be an op

thank you

[Beacool]

41. You're entitled to your opinion.

But the name calling is not only not appropriate, it's not even factual. Amoral? Sociopath? Please...........

Keep your vote, we wouldn't want you to sully your precious conscience.

[True Blue Door]

45. I'm also entitled to my vote, so maybe you should focus more on convincing me

than on dismissing my points with an imperious wave of the hand. Please, explain to me how her record doesn't sustain what I've said. Enlighten me as to how her refusal to this day to admit her Iraq War vote was wrong is not completely depraved.

[BadGimp]

37. I hear Angels Singing - and Right Wingers Heads Exploding

I made this to piss off a Right Wing friend... it worked. He sent me a Obama stamp and I one-upped his Teabaggin ass. Great fun..

[blkmusclmachine]

46. In 1992 and 2012 I voted 3rd Party. I'll go 3rd Party again if Queen Blue Dog Clinton is the nominee