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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:40 PM Oct 2013

EXCLUSIVE: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say

Source: Washington Post

The National Security Agency has secretly broken into the main communications links that connect Yahoo and Google data centers around the world, according to documents obtained from former NSA contractor Edward Snowden and interviews with knowledgeable officials.

By tapping those links, the agency has positioned itself to collect at will from among hundreds of millions of user accounts, many of them belonging to Americans. The NSA does not keep everything it collects, but it keeps a lot.

According to a top secret accounting dated Jan. 9, 2013, NSA’s acquisitions directorate sends millions of records every day from Yahoo and Google internal networks to data warehouses at the agency’s Fort Meade headquarters. In the preceding 30 days, the report said, field collectors had processed and sent back 181,280,466 new records — ranging from “metadata,” which would indicate who sent or received e-mails and when, to content such as text, audio and video.

The NSA’s principal tool to exploit the data links is a project called MUSCULAR, operated jointly with the agency’s British counterpart, GCHQ. From undisclosed interception points, the NSA and GCHQ are copying entire data flows across fiber-optic cables that carry information between the data centers of the Silicon Valley giants.


Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html

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EXCLUSIVE: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say (Original Post) Douglas Carpenter Oct 2013 OP
This administration totally blows when it comes to privacy issues. lark Oct 2013 #1
Allowing this? agent46 Oct 2013 #3
That's another problem, and I don't disagree. lark Oct 2013 #5
so true Chaco Dundee Oct 2013 #15
Why would he have control over embeds? DeSwiss Oct 2013 #21
The President is just the actor representing the interest and will of the Corporations harun Oct 2013 #7
You are right of course LiberalLovinLug Oct 2013 #16
Actually, we had a president who did exhibit the courage you speak of . Indi Guy Oct 2013 #19
The era of the savior is over perkygrubb Oct 2013 #27
Don't you think they have compromising information on the President? The Stranger Oct 2013 #11
You know, I've wondered about that often. lark Oct 2013 #31
I don't know what you'd call it either, but it Hoover wrote the book on it. The Stranger Oct 2013 #32
Trojan... perkygrubb Oct 2013 #33
Just because some person is a self-proclaimed "scholar" of something, does not necessarily follow blkmusclmachine Oct 2013 #29
LOL, too true lark Oct 2013 #30
Yet another reason Kelvin Mace Oct 2013 #2
The NSA 'breaking into' Google & Yahoo is like... Indi Guy Oct 2013 #4
Well, this is certainly outside the scope of theoretically-legal surveillance: Maedhros Oct 2013 #6
He's going to get up in front of christx30 Oct 2013 #12
Didn't they already break this but in an even more sinister way... FoxAcid Jesus Malverde Oct 2013 #8
"I hope you publish this." DirkGently Oct 2013 #9
Hey! Glad to see you posting. PassingFair Oct 2013 #14
Ha! Never left -- iDevices are great. DirkGently Oct 2013 #18
Hope you're feeling no pain! PassingFair Oct 2013 #24
Where is Joe Biden now that we need him? bvar22 Oct 2013 #10
Good Question! He's walked to lunch with POB a couple of times KoKo Oct 2013 #20
K & R & AzDar Oct 2013 #13
This is news? They're always messing with me when I'm researching. nt Zorra Oct 2013 #17
K&R DeSwiss Oct 2013 #22
I knew the NSA did some outrageous shit, but this is most outrageous of all. SlipperySlope Oct 2013 #23
For years no one would even admit that the NSA existed. DeSwiss Oct 2013 #25
looks like we need a president who has no family grasswire Oct 2013 #26
Waiting for the flood of "Snowden's still a traitor/patsy/scumbag" brigade to arrive 3..2..1.. riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #28
KNR Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #34
knr Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #35
The NSA is just going by the book. Indi Guy Nov 2013 #36

lark

(23,099 posts)
1. This administration totally blows when it comes to privacy issues.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:48 PM
Oct 2013

The constitutional scholar should be ashamed of himself for allowing this.

agent46

(1,262 posts)
3. Allowing this?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:51 PM
Oct 2013

There's reason to believe the presidency isn't in control of very much at all these days.

lark

(23,099 posts)
5. That's another problem, and I don't disagree.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:56 PM
Oct 2013

But, he created these circumstances by letting all the Bush embeds stay in place instead of firing them as is the normal practice. His deep desire for bi-partisanship has been his undoing since day 1, imagine where we'd be if he hadn't caved in to the Repugs and let the Bush tax cuts stand a few years ago. Imagine him prosecuting the traitorous actions of the previous admin? Imagine him going all out for single payer? Imagine him standing firm on privacy? So many wasted opportunities.

Chaco Dundee

(334 posts)
15. so true
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:42 PM
Oct 2013

You said it perfectly,I have seen it that way from day one.lost opportunities and wasted chances for meaningful change.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
21. Why would he have control over embeds?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:28 PM
Oct 2013
- The last President who tried to exercise his powers was Kennedy.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
16. You are right of course
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:53 PM
Oct 2013

But sometimes I fantasize a scenerio, something out of a Philip K Dick book perhaps, where President Obama or some future President shocks the establishment by pulling one over on the mega-corps and .1%ers. Promising to do their bidding as every other Presidential candidate MUST do to even be considered. Its pretty obvious this is the status quo.

But then right after inauguration has an alternate speech prepared and talks directly to the American people about how he will prosecute Wall Street criminals, go after corrupt politicians, kicks out lobbyists etc etc.. Then when the inevitable impeachment hearings are called for...calls for his head on a platter from Republicans and even a lot of Democrats (because it threatens their lifestyles) he goes directly back to the people for support. And in my fantasy, he gets it overwhelmingly and so the other politicians end up either falling in line or face the wrath of their constituents.

A President that would risk it all, risk being thrown out of office just when he or she has just reached the peak of their ambitions, to actually force through real change.

But I am resigned that this is simply a fantasy. Not only about such a character existing, and being able to fool even his/her own party in the primaries just to get the chance, but also about a brainwashed, neutered society actually rising up and backing him/her up in great numbers.

I'd like to at least see the Hollywood version though.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
19. Actually, we had a president who did exhibit the courage you speak of .
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:35 PM
Oct 2013


JFK risked it all and paid the ultimate price for having the audacity to actually govern over this nation in general, an Spook Central specifically. The example was set, and since then no president has ever dared go after the MIC driven secret orgs.

perkygrubb

(6 posts)
27. The era of the savior is over
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:32 PM
Oct 2013

Even though I get you're talking about a fantasy, it's time we stop looking outside ourselves for an agent to enact the (positive) change we want to see. We have to look to each other and ask "why aren't you doing anything dude?" We also need to look in the mirror and say the same thing, of course.

I know, this is probably a bummer and may put folks on the defensive. They may even ask: "since you're pointing fingers, what are YOU doing "dude""?

Well a lot actually. And if I get my way, every American will be free of debt, homeowners will actually own their homes mortgage free, and we'll never pay another penny in taxes, yet our country will be even stronger.

Am I planning an overthrow? Not really. What I am doing is exercising the humbling task of bringing to Americans the solution they've been looking for, but looking in the wrong place(s). As much as we think democracy is going to do it, as much as we may hope that the past has our solutions, as long as we think protest is going to make a difference, it just isn't. What will is inspiration, courage and commitment to create a future we all want.

The first step is recognizing we have a problem. I think we'd all agree with that. The next step is to identify a viable alternative. The third step is to passionately rally around that alternative until the deal is done. Steps One and Two are done. I'm fomenting step three among the global population.

lark

(23,099 posts)
31. You know, I've wondered about that often.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 12:46 PM
Oct 2013

MY thought process is: is he being bribed, threatened, or just a trojan horse to begin with? Don't know which. .

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
32. I don't know what you'd call it either, but it Hoover wrote the book on it.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 01:47 PM
Oct 2013

They have the goods on him just like everybody else.

perkygrubb

(6 posts)
33. Trojan...
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 02:20 PM
Oct 2013

I vote for the trojan horse theory. I thought he was different and would usher in change for the better. A lot has changed, but what needed to change most hasn't happened.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
29. Just because some person is a self-proclaimed "scholar" of something, does not necessarily follow
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 02:58 AM
Oct 2013

that (s)he actually supports the thing that (s)he is a "scholar" of.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
6. Well, this is certainly outside the scope of theoretically-legal surveillance:
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 12:58 PM
Oct 2013
The infiltration is especially striking because the NSA, under a separate program known as PRISM, has front-door access to Google and Yahoo user accounts through a court-approved process.

The MUSCULAR project appears to be an unusually aggressive use of NSA tradecraft against flagship American companies. The agency is built for high-tech spying, with a wide range of digital tools, but it has not been known to use them routinely against U.S. companies.


The NSA is clearly violating the law with MUSCULAR. What is Eric Holder going to do about it?

christx30

(6,241 posts)
12. He's going to get up in front of
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:22 PM
Oct 2013

Congress and angrily defend it, as if the people that have a problem with it are terrorists/traitors. "Yeah we did it. We're going to continue to do it. Wanna make something of it !?"

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
8. Didn't they already break this but in an even more sinister way... FoxAcid
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:04 PM
Oct 2013

That the NSA has man in the middle machines that mimic google, so an unsuspecting target types in www.google.com but actually are connecting to a government computer which uses a browser exploit and injects a trojan on the targets machine.


http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131004/10522324753/

The NSA uses these fast Quantum servers to execute a packet injection attack, which surreptitiously redirects the target to the FoxAcid server. An article in the German magazine Spiegel, based on additional top secret Snowden documents, mentions an NSA developed attack technology with the name of QuantumInsert that performs redirection attacks.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
18. Ha! Never left -- iDevices are great.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:30 PM
Oct 2013

Reading DU from the hospital was oddly comforting. Free wi-fi and they never tried to take my iPad. Even posted a bit from there. Internet access was a huge boon, especially given the TV got local Fox but not MSNBC.

Mending well, I think. Appointment tomorrow for X-ray and possibly a smaller splint, which I hope will let me get back to work.

Thanks for asking. It was cool seeing all the support from DUers when someone posted about my accident. Those "good vibes" threads really do some good, I think.

Stay off of ladders.



- DG

PassingFair

(22,434 posts)
24. Hope you're feeling no pain!
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 04:28 PM
Oct 2013

Bet they're going to miss you in your local "iron-man" race this year, but better safe than sorry!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
10. Where is Joe Biden now that we need him?
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 01:15 PM
Oct 2013



I have it on good authority that our government does NOT spy on Americans,
and that the Nuclear Power Plant at Fukushima was "just venting a little steam",
so we don't have anything to worry about.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
20. Good Question! He's walked to lunch with POB a couple of times
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 02:41 PM
Oct 2013

for Photo Op...but, that's about it. Maybe he does everything in background.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
22. K&R
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:46 PM
Oct 2013
"Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity." ~Marshall McLuhan

SlipperySlope

(2,751 posts)
23. I knew the NSA did some outrageous shit, but this is most outrageous of all.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 04:25 PM
Oct 2013

So if they can't get it with a warrant, they just get it anyway?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
25. For years no one would even admit that the NSA existed.
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 05:20 PM
Oct 2013
- They got used to having it all their way. And they see no reason to change now.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
26. looks like we need a president who has no family
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 07:55 PM
Oct 2013

Because a man with a family can be threatened and coerced in many more ways than a single man can.

We need an ugly-mug bulldog president with principle and courage. And if he's eliminated, the world will know who the enemies of freedom are.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
28. Waiting for the flood of "Snowden's still a traitor/patsy/scumbag" brigade to arrive 3..2..1..
Wed Oct 30, 2013, 08:51 PM
Oct 2013

Jeez could it get any more jaw dropping!?

K&R

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