Third student, Demetrius Hewlin, dies after shooting rampage at Chardon High School

[Faygo Kid]

CLEVELAND - MetroHealth Medical Center confirmed a third student, Demetrius Hewlin , has died following a shooting rampage at Chardon High School that ended with five shot and one under arrest.

His family made the following statement:
“We are very saddened by the loss of our son and others in our Chardon community. Demetrius was a happy young man who loved life and his family and friends. We will miss him very much but we are proud that he will be able to help others through organ donation. We ask that you respect our privacy during this difficult time.“

Hewlin was transported to MetroHealth Medical Center Monday morning, along with two other students,16-year-old Daniel Parmertor and 17-year-old Russell King Jr.

Parmertor was the first to die Monday. King was confirmed dead by the Cuyahoga County Medical Examiner's Office Tuesday morning.

Read more: http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_news/oh_geauga/Third-student-Demetrius-Hewlin-dies-after-shooting-rampage-at-Chardon-High-School#ixzz1nhXDq2BF

[classof56]

1. This is beyond sad...and beyond words to express the sadness.

[nanabugg]

39. What a gracious and first-class statement by a grieving family.

Our hearts go out to all the families who have suffered loss and to the alleged shooter's family also. I cannot imagine how it must feel to have a child commit such and act..and how he must have been suffering in his own private hell.

[nanabugg]

47. Is there any word on the fourth or fifth victims? nt

[alp227]

2. I'm starting to get angrier at TJ Lane (shooter).

[Stuckinthebush]

3. Starting?

I was there a while back.

[alp227]

15. I've been heated all along, don't worry.

If I had my way I'd dunk his head in lake erie until he choked. It was sad to hear of the first death but now that 2 more kids have died I'm seeing lane even worse. Who cares now if his friends or family wast to make excuses for him now.

[ellisonz]

20. Vengeance is a poor solution to a problem. n/t

[Zoeisright]

44. Thank you. It certainly is.

There are many facets to this tragedy and we don't know the whole story.

If I'm sure of two things, it's this: there's too much free access to guns in this country, and bullying causes violence.

[ellisonz]

45. You're welcome.

I've noticed nothing has been said about where he obtained the gun, and I'm imagining that's because the police are still investigating. I think your former statement is easier to address than the latter from a policy standpoint, but without both factors events like this don't happen.

Aloha.

[immoderate]

4. The shooter kind of slipped through the watchful eye of our mental health network.

Maybe nothing could have been changed, but I wonder if this can happen in places where the safety net is tighter.

--imm

[SunSeeker]

5. I'd like to think these things are preventable.

Maybe if we had universal single payer healthcare, this kid would have gotten help. His parents were just as messed up as he was. Maybe they would have gotten help if money was not an issue. So sad, any way you look at it.

[immoderate]

6. Yep. And guidance teachers, and maybe some school psychologists...

Following up on referrals made by teachers, if any. They may already know the system is broken.

--imm

[HockeyMom]

8. This kid had problems which went far beyond his being bullied

Did you read the police report on his family? He came from a broken and very violent home. Dad had a rap sheet a mile long, including violent crimes. The boy was in the custody of his grandparents. This is not to say that I would ever condone what he did, but it does show the other side of the coin to BEING bullied. We have only heard about the poor, unfortunate kids who have taken their own lives. The Ohio shooting shows the OTHER SIDE of what can happen with being bullied.

[EFerrari]

43. The problem is, the onset of a lot of serious stuff is between 16 and 24, roughly.

The very age where everyone has stopped looking at a kid very hard and / or expects them to distance themselves from parents to a degree. It's a vulnerable time that doesn't get much attention.

[Kolesar]

7. Geauga--where pro-2nd-Amendment bumperstickers rule

Protected by Smith and Wesson
Impeach Bill Clinton
all that

[Snake Alchemist]

16. So he bought his guns legally? nt

[ellisonz]

21. Ohio has no safe storage law. n/t

[Snake Alchemist]

23. Is murder illegal in Ohio? nt

[ellisonz]

24. Would you object to a safe storage law? n/t

[Snake Alchemist]

25. No, but there is no indication that it would have prevented this tragedy.

The murderer does not seem too concerned with other laws.

[ellisonz]

26. Yet. At the very least...

...such a law would reduce accidental shootings and gun theft. I wonder why Ohio doesn't have such a law for at least storage in a home with a minor.

The society doesn't seem to concerned with preventing such tragedies.

[Snake Alchemist]

27. Do states with such laws have lower rates of shootings and gun thefts? nt

[ellisonz]

28. Yes. There is correlation.

Child Access Prevention (CAP)

Child Access Prevention (CAP) laws, enacted by many states, require parents to store firearms safely, to minimize access by children to guns, while maintaining ease of access by adults.[119] CAP laws hold gun owners liable should a child gain access to a loaded gun that is not properly stored.[119] Statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention showed that, on average, one child died every three days in accidental incidents in the United States from 2000 to 2005.[120] In most states, CAP law violations are considered misdemeanors.[119] Florida's CAP law, enacted in 1989, permits felony prosecution of violators.[119] Research indicates that CAP laws are correlated with a reduction in unintentional gun deaths by 23%,[121] and gun suicides among those aged 14 through 17 by 11%.[122] A study by Lott did not detect a relationship between CAP laws and accidental gun deaths or suicides among those age 19 and under between 1979 and 1996.[15] The National Bureau of Economic Research has found that CAP laws are correlated with a reduction of non-fatal gun injuries among both children and adults by 30-40%.[119] Research also indicates that CAP laws are most highly correlated with reductions of non-fatal gun injuries in states where violations are considered felonies, whereas in states that consider violations as misdemeanors, the potential impact of CAP laws is not statistically significant.[123] All of these studies are correlational, and do not account for other potential contributing factors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States#Child_Access_Prevention_.28CAP.29

[Snake Alchemist]

29. But not causation.

"A study by Lott did not detect a relationship between CAP laws and accidental gun deaths or suicides among those age 19 and under between 1979 and 1996"

[ellisonz]

30. One study. The others show correlation.

Proving causation can be a difficult thing in sociological study.

John Lott of course is a darling of the right: http://www.johnlott.org/

[Snake Alchemist]

32. Dangerous to rely on correlation when making policy.

"Black men as a percentage are convicted of far more more crimes than whites. Therefore we need more laws specifically focused on black men."

[ellisonz]

33. That's why we don't.

Nor do we pretend that such a demonstration is required.

[Snake Alchemist]

34. Sorry, I just can't get excited about "feel good" laws.

Hopefully, more details will come out about this story so we can make a proper assessment.

[ellisonz]

35. The assessment is made everyday in this country.

If this law prevents even one child-gun accident then it is worth it. This isn't about "feel good" laws - this is about responsibility

Are you against requiring parents to use child-safety seats in cars?

[Snake Alchemist]

36. Won't someone think of the children??!!

Everyday a child chokes to death on a hotdog. When will we ban that sweet tasting death?

[ellisonz]

37. And your crassness shows...

[BamaFanLee]

40. Time to ban the guns, and the cars

The latest numbers I can find are from 2007. 12,632 deaths by guns. 41,059 deaths by cars. Ban the guns and ban cars, that is more than 53,000 people who don't die. Too many unnecessary deaths happening every day.

[ellisonz]

42. That makes no sense.

We generally require parents with children under a certain age and weight limit to ride in child-safety seats. Why we wouldn't require gun owners with children to secure their guns when not in use is beyond me...

[brentspeak]

41. John Lott, eh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lott#Anti-gun_group_posing_as_Lott_on_website_and_emails

Disputed survey

In the course of a dispute with Otis Dudley Duncan in 1999-2000,[53] Lott claimed to have undertaken a national survey of 2,424 respondents in 1997, the results of which were the source for claims he had made beginning in 1997.[54] However, in 2000 Lott was unable to produce the data, or any records showing that the survey had been undertaken. He said the 1997 hard drive crash that had affected several projects with co-authors had destroyed his survey data set,[55] the original tally sheets had been abandoned with other personal property in his move from Chicago to Yale, and he could not recall the names of any of the students who he said had worked on it. Following extensive publicity, James Hamilton, a retired detective in Tennessee, came forward saying that he had taken the survey. David Gross, a former city prosecutor and former NRA board member came forward to say that he had been interviewed for a gun survey, and he thought that he was interviewed in the spring of 1997, probably by people working for Lott.[56] Critics alleged that the survey had never taken place,[57] but Lott defends the survey's existence and accuracy, quoting on his website colleagues who lost data in the hard drive crash.[58]

Mary Rosh persona

As part of the dispute surrounding the missing survey, Lott created and used "Mary Rosh" as a fake persona to defend his own works on Usenet and elsewhere. After investigative work by blogger Julian Sanchez, Lott admitted to use of the Rosh persona.[57] Sanchez also pointed out that Lott, posing as Rosh, not only praised his own academic writing, but also called himself "the best professor I ever had".

Some commentators accused Lott of transgressing normal practice, noting that he praised himself while posing as one of his former students,[64][65] and that "Rosh" was used to post a favorable review of More Guns, Less Crime on Amazon.com. Lott has claimed that the "Rosh" review was written by his son and wife.[65]
"I probably shouldn't have done it—I know I shouldn't have done it—but it's hard to think of any big advantage I got except to be able to comment fictitiously," Lott told the Washington Post in 2003.[65]

[Botany]

9. This is beyond sad

Chardon is lovely town w/ good people.

[ellisonz]

10. This country has a problem with gun violence. n/t

[JDPriestly]

11. My condolences to the families. How horribly painful.

As for preventing or at least decreasing these incidents, here is my proposal.

We should teach kids techniques of non-violent communication and require all people who are accused of domestic or other violence to take courses in non-violent parenting and non-violent social interaction.

I have known parents who went through this training and were amazed at how well they could use the techniques to improve the self-discipline of their children and the harmony in their own relationships.

Non-violence can be learned. But we don't emphasize teaching it. We don't want to use our resources to change our society. How foolish of us.

The Chardon community and the families that are affected will be forever changed. This is just so sad.

[FedUpWithIt All]

12. TJ's father had been arrested on a charge of attempted murder after his divorce in 2002.

We recently moved back to this area so we were able to access all day news on the shooting. There was a moment when they were beginning to discover more info on the shooter and they reported about the behavior of his father. Attempted murder, felonious assault and another charge i cannot remember.

There was another failure to adequately acknowledge a boy's needs and meet them and it led to another tragedy. This will keep happening, along with the astonishing number of teen suicides and other bully related consequences, if we do not figure out ways to to become more aware of and then assist our kids.

This boy was NOT quiet about his discontent and frustration. There are a number of ways he tried to reach out, just like the kids who came before him had.

[FedUpWithIt All]

13. Link to a report with this information. The charges seem to stem from an attempt

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to murder the boys step mother. He also was charged with multiple other crimes against women, including the mother of TJ.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/us/victim-in-ohio-school-shooting-declared-brain-dead.html

[IcyPeas]

14. donating organs

in thier time of grief must be one of the most altruistic acts a parent (or anyone) can do.

[Fumesucker]

18. I thought their statement was profound and eloquent... n/t

[FarCenter]

17. Why was the shooter admitted to the building?

"Mr. Lane was not a student at Chardon High but he did know some of his victims, witnesses said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/29/us/victim-in-ohio-school-shooting-declared-brain-dead.html

ID keycards, turnstiles, and guards should be standard physical security by now. Every workplace I worked in for the last 40 years had controlled access.

[csziggy]

31. Students for the school he attended met there to catch the bus to their school

The shooter attended a school for 'at risk' students, probably because of his troubled family history.

Some of the victims were students who were in the cafeteria waiting for a bus to take them to Auburn Career Center, a nearby vocational school that they attended, said Maggie Lynch, the school's superintendent.

Lane is a student at Lake Academy Alternative School, a school for at-risk children, said the school's interim director, Don Ehas.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/28/justice/ohio-school-shooting/index.html?hpt=us_c1

[FarCenter]

38. Thanks, Officials explain how bus route brought together Auburn Career Center, Lake Academy students

http://news-herald.com/articles/2012/02/28/news/doc4f4d5728dc892693732344.txt?viewmode=default

More on the psycological profile at "Alleged Ohio school shooter: 'Die, all of you'"
http://www.kptv.com/story/17036190/alleged-ohio-school-shooter-die-all-of-you

He's described as a "17-year old sophomore". I would have thought that he should have been flunked out of school by that time?

[csziggy]

46. According to one report his grades were As & Bs

After a period of low grades and problems in school. I also read that he was taking extra courses so he could graduate early.

From what I've read (in accumulated reports on another web site), he had a lot of problems in the past because of his parents' difficulties - his father has old charges of attempted murder, assault and attempted kidnapping - and that is why he was at the school for 'at risk' kids. What's sad is that it sounds as though he was turning around and doing better.

On one level I am appalled at what he did and want him to never be let out to have the chance to hurt another person. On another level I feel sorry for this young man and the waste of his life, and would very much like to know how this could have been prevented. But I know in this country the vindictive attitude will probably win out and he will be locked up pretty much for the rest of his life.

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. Not holding my breath but out of this tragedy

I hope the wider discussion of what leads to these tragedies happens.

Yes it is bully behavior

Yes it is mental health

Yes, it is broken homes

Yes... access to guns.

I expect us to move on, especially after this young man gets life... or worst.

I mean how many of these before we finally do things like actually look at the WHY this happens?

[ellisonz]

22. "I mean how many of these before we finally do things like actually look at the WHY this happens?"

Too many already. Don't expect much to change. Our politicians don't want to deal with the hard issues.