Dems to GOP: No more extortion. No more extortion. No more extortion.

[highplainsdem]

Source: Washington Post

Reports are dribbling out about a possible offer House Republicans are floating to get out of the crisis. The Associated Press reports they are suggesting funding of the government plus a temporary debt limit hike, in exchange for easing the sequester by replacing it with entitlement cuts.

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A Senate Democratic leadership aide tells me Dems aren’t prepared to comment directly on the House GOP offer — because details involving things such as duration are unclear — but reiterated to me that the general framework underlying the offer is still not acceptable.

“What we don’t want to do is give away any policy concessions now, if part of the deal is having a second phase of negotiations,” the aide tells me. “If they are offering a six week thing, or a couple of months, we’re not going to give them policy concessions so they can seek more during a second phase of negotiation.”

The aide described the Dem principle as follows: “Is this deal a stopgap? Or will it take the CR and debt ceiling off the table for a year or so? We can have a negotiation, but we can’t have it be backstopped by the threat of default later.”

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Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/10/11/dems-to-gop-no-more-extortion-no-more-extortion-no-more-extortion/

[Wounded Bear]

1. How is 'replacing the sequester with entitlement cuts' a concession?

That's just making them permanent.

The deal is already on the table. Sign it and let's move on.

[wryter2000]

22. Exactly

That was what they wanted to begin with...unlimited money for the Pentagon and cutting the social safety net.

[ejbr]

2. Well, slap my butt and call me Wanda...

Are the Dems no longer being Charlie Brown trying to kick Lucy's football? Let us pray.

[Liberalynn]

4. I love your phraseology

and agree with the sentiment whole heartedly.



I like the backbone so far Dems just keep standing straight, no bending backward now.

[ejbr]

13. Yet when it comes to present day Dems

talk is cheap...Let us pray!

[Liberalynn]

14. Believe me I am praying

[2naSalit]

17. +1

[Rebellious Republican]

6. OK Wanda you asked for it.....

[ejbr]

11. !!!

[2naSalit]

18. Oh!

that dude would be DEAD if that was me getting pied like that! DEAD!

[Rebellious Republican]

29. I am ass-uming that you are ok with the ass slap then?

[2naSalit]

30. NOT AT ALL

That would be the main reason for an adverse response, the pie thing would be secondary... A pie in the face isn't a hanging offense, the ass-slap... absolutely, especially when used for this purpose though any ass-slap is offensive in my reckoning.

[Rebellious Republican]

31. My apologies for offending you, wanted to do this publicly here, not in a PM.

Sincerely do apologize 2nasality.

[2naSalit]

32. Thanks

accepted.

I just think it's important to call out sexist acts that are just plain out of line, women deserve more respect than they are generally afforded.

[calimary]

9. LOVE IT, ejbr! That's exactly what's going on here.

Many of us here have complained, FOR YEARS by now, that the Dems were just being Charlie Brown again and again and again, and NEVER learning. Always remaining naive. Always expecting better of these schmucks than they were willing or able to become. Always giving them the benefit of the doubt. Always giving. Always giving something up. Always conceding something. NEVER standing for anything - much less what We The People believe in vast - and increasing - majorities. It's about damn time they realize who they're dealing with.

These are scorpions. They keep demanding rides on our backs across the river. Sometimes they even promise they won't sting. And trusting them ALWAYS winds up with a bad result. They can't help it, though. They're scorpions. But WE CAN help it, by recognizing what they are, how they can NEVER be trusted, and how firmly they need to be handled - PERIOD.

NO compromise. NONE. Put the extortion guns away. Shut the fuck up with your "demands." ONLY THEN might we have something to talk about.

[ejbr]

12. The latest that I remember

is Harry Reid caving on reforming the filibuster rules, believing Bitch McConnell's assurances...AGAIN...WTF?!

[calimary]

25. Yeah, we all remember that one. Once again, we proved correct, and once again, he proved

wrong as can be - trusting him. You trust the scorpion and give him a ride across the river, and it's GUARANTEED he'll still sting you in the back and then you get to drown. He doesn't even care that he might go down with you. He's a scorpion. So what he knows is strictly about stinging. I hope Harry Reid finally gets it. I hope Nancy Pelosi does, too. She's quoted in news stories featured in other threads here as saying we've been enablers and that has to stop. And it's true. That HAS TO stop.

[jsr]

3. Shoot it down and shut them up ASAP.

[True_Blue]

5. "entitlement cuts" = SS & Medicare

No deal - EVER!!

[Liberalynn]

7. I agree

these shouldn't be granted under any circumstances. Dems should say on SS we are willing to raise the cap, that's the offer, it is a reform take it or leave it.

The Pukes chose to use whatever political capital they once had by acting like spoiled rotten greedy asses. That was their choice. If they expect Dems to get them out of the corner they backed themselves into it should be on Den terms alone.

Probably not going to happen that way, but it should happen that way.

[RC]

19. When they want Social Security and/or Medicare cuts, counter with lifting the cap and expanding them

Lets the American people know who's where.

[Southside]

8. Sequestration is sealed, list of new demands

They have been plotting on us for years, sequestration was just the start.

Kibbe FreedomWorks CEO and TEA Party brain said

"As far as I'm concerned the sequester is something that is already an agreement that's sealed. I don't see any reason to reopen that. I'd be all for tax simplification and going after all the junk in the tax code, but I don't think I would trade it for the sequester. I would trade it for something meaningful like increasing the debt ceiling," Kibbe said. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/02/freedomworks-debt-limit_n_4033156.html

They want more progress at every budget deadline, every deficit deadline, they will shrink the safety net until everyone in need drops.

I don't know how Obama stops this, but I am thankful that he is pushing back. Policy wise they should like Obama, he is willing to give so much, to preserve ObamaCare.

[Andy823]

10. Start with corporate welfare

Why is it that when republicans talk about entitlement cuts they never mention all the "corporate welfare", like subsidies and tax cuts for the oil companies who make "BILLIONS" in profits every year. And how about the corporate farmers who make millions in subsidies, yet never set foot on a farm? Start taking away those kinds of "entitlements" not those who help those who are in real need of help.

[Marthe48]

15. This is not the time or place

Right now: Open the government, debt ceiling to end of 2014. That's all you get, you cheap extortionists.

[Orsino]

16. No more extortion after our next concession.

And this time we mean it!

This leak is exactly how we negotiate with ourselves.

[vlakitti]

20. It really would help

if the media reportage about "deals"-in-the-making and such like were not all speculative or based on rumors from unidentified Republicans.

My girlfriend watched Rachel Maddow last evening and said she had a whole segment on totally crappy bigfoot media reportage.

[Coyotl]

21. Time for some Dear John

#GOPshutdown


from: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023829037

[Iliyah]

23. Kick and R

ENOUGH! Open the government, no default, and for God's sake make it a year.

[cvoogt]

24. legislating from the trench

somehow the Repubs seem OK with forcing legislation while pointing a Howitzer at our economy, but activist judges are somehow 'legislating from the bench'. The methods employed by the Repubs' shutdown are extra-legal. And no, trolls, that doesn't mean it is 'even more' legal than normal.

[Heather MC]

26. Have Mercy these Fuckers don't take a hint

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Just do your dayum Job, Vote on the Budget you agreed to which is a piss poor compromise on the Dems part.

I think everytime they make a stuid Offer Dems should counter with a better

Offer instead of just rejecting the stupid offer

Example
No to Social Security and Medicare cuts

But we will agree to cut Defense Spending by 10% and Create a Single Payer System for the ACA

[Buddaman]

27. No! nt

[Nite Owl]

28. I'm finding it absolutely insane

That it is always our programs to be cut.
They have to make cuts or raise taxes to at least match what our side makes. Social Security ----off the table!
They actually should be making all the cuts, we've suffered enough.