Republicans Said to Insist on Conditions to End Shutdown

[TomCADem]

Source: Bloomberg

House Republicans offered a plan to raise the U.S. debt limit and end a partial government shutdown that would require the president to accept policy conditions attached to a spending measure, said two congressional aides.

Republicans sent a list of policy options to the White House following a meeting yesterday, said the aides, who spoke on condition of anonymity. President Barack Obama has insisted that he won’t accept conditions for ending the shutdown, which is in its 11th day.

“There will be some matters that we’re discussing now that would be added to that, hopefully,” Representative Hal Rogers of Kentucky, chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, said in an interview today. “I hope there’s specific matters but that’s under discussion.”

House Republicans also want Obama to agree to a framework for future negotiations on long-term fiscal and health care policy. If that happens, the House could vote as soon as today on pushing the lapse of U.S. borrowing authority to Nov. 22 from Oct. 17, according to the aides, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the private offer.

Read more: http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-11/republicans-said-to-insist-on-conditions-to-end-shutdown.html

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No surprise. Republicans are still holding hostages and refusing to end the shutdown.

[Faygo Kid]

1. They've lost, and don't know it. Still want to cut Social Security, Medicare

as part of any deal. No deal. Period. Open the government.

[Baitball Blogger]

15. Expect a scorched earth response.

They will take us all down with them.

[Mad-in-Mo]

29. The very thing that worries me.

They just don't care.

[calimary]

32. Welcome to DU, Mad-in-Mo!

Good to have you with us! I know, we're all worried because it's rare to see Democrats exhibiting unity and lots of backbone. So what we all have to do is make sure they know we want them to stay that way. TOLL FREE Capitol Hill Switchboard numbers conveniently located in my sig line, below.

PLEASE never forget: if they think we don't care, they won't either!

[Mad-in-Mo]

34. Thanks!

I've been around since 2001 and the Dubya Debacle, but when I lost my job in 2009 I also lost my user name and password and since then have mostly lurked.

You are correct when you say if they think we don't care, they won't either. I really feel most of Washington has completely lost touch with us regular folk and really don't want to be in touch. But that's a whole other can of worms.

[Swede Atlanta]

2. No, No, No...

Bo-ner...are you stupid?

The President and the Senate Majority Leader have given the real ultimatum....end the government shutdown and increase the debt limit without condition. Period...no options.

[True_Blue]

9. The Party of NO

doesn't seem able to take NO for an answer.

[Buddha_of_Wisdom]

3. No deal. No conditions. Your leverage is over.

Enjoy the continued tanking, guaranteeing massive Democratic victory, and no Democrats lose any of their Senate seats, but all 1/3 of the Republican's share is gone.

Only deal we will accept is a continuing CR close to Paul Ryan's budget, and debt ceiling extended towards the end of 2014. Or remove it entirely. Once that's done, Republicans have no more stroke, and will have to start conceding their garbage pork and massive cuts to the MIC and the oil&gas industry.

[sharp_stick]

4. They might be able to get something

if they offered more than a six week extension. If they went for a full year and a promise to discuss an actual budget Obama would be hard pressed to tell them to fuck off but with this shit they're just making it too easy.

[NRaleighLiberal]

5. No. No. No. No. No.

No.

No.

No.

etc.

[libdem4life]

6. A framework, indeed. Would that include negotiations at Thanksgiving and Christmas?

No. Imagine 24/7 cable news with snippets of crying children, frantic parents, retail workers and furloughed federal workers without Christmas funds. That's taking hostage of the holidays and the season that most businesses rely on to meet their annual bills...No. Just. No.

Open government...furloughed workers back to work. Then, the talks begin. They didn't come to 20 something budget meetings last year. No.

[RC]

21. Christmas is coming. With the government shut down and in default, would destroy many business that

depend on the Christmas season to survive year to year. Most of those furloughed workers have other wise, Living Wage Jobs. Those families are among the people that spend money and lot of it, around Christmas time.

[libdem4life]

36. Scrooge, I tell you...coal in their stockings. Working everyday people. For Shame.

[libdem4life]

38. Oh, I hope you didn't take this as about you??? Thanks for your response.

I'm so upset about these thieves.

[RC]

39. No. I'm retired.

Christmas is time for my SO and my two daughters. Christmas for me are the bargains, both before and after Christmas. I tend to splurge then.
But still this is a sucky time, just before the holidays, for a prolonged shutdown. Lets hope enough people remember this for the next couple of elections cycles. Maybe then we can elect some more Alen Graysons and Elizabeth Warrens and break out of this Right wing and far Right wing loop we are in.

[Marthe48]

7. Spell 'f' as in deal

There is no 'f' in deal.

Exactly!

[Efilroft Sul]

8. Post of the day!

[lark]

10. PLEASE MR. PRESIDENT,

DON'T TAKE THE DEAL - JUST SAY NO TO THE TEAHADIST HOSTAGE TAKERS! Don't give them what they couldn't get by winning elections, don't gut or even reduce by one penny the benefits from social security, medicare or medicaid. Don't let them shred the social safety net for workers in exchange for doing their mother freaking job of running the government.

They still think you are a push-over and if you give in on this your term is ended and the fate of the Democratic party is sealed!

[Rebellious Republican]

11. The GOP's last great act of defiance......

[Nite Owl]

12. I hope this isn't the deal

or we are back to square one. They got concessions for doing what they were supposed to do? The President said only a clean CR. Concessions mean they won. Again.
Hope this is wrong and just republican fantasy

[xfundy]

13. The President should make counter demands.

For every day that goes by, he could add something to assure a deal. For example, raise taxes on the 1% in increments of 25% per day. Then, defund congress. Then, cut the military budget in half.

Shouldn't take more than a day or two.

[kpenning]

14. Planned by the Koch bros. and other billionaires

This government shutdown was planned from the beginning:

[calimary]

31. Welcome to DU, kpenning!

Glad you're here! You're spot-on. They PLANNED this. That's why, when the Democrats pushed, 19 TIMES, for meetings to start negotiating this past summer the assholes repeatedly said no. Because they wanted to run out the clock - as planned, and drag this country to the eleventh hour when THEY could get a "better deal."

DON'T CAVE, Mr. President!!! STAND FIRM, Democrats!!!! If you're even considering wavering, just go look at the polls. ALL of the polls. They're with OUR side this time!

[gopiscrap]

40. Welcome to DU

[louis-t]

16. They remind me of the old Monty Python skit cartoon

where 2 guys are in gay '90s regalia, one of them is taunting the other: "C'mon, ye wanna fight? Whatsamatter, you chicken?" The other guy takes out a sword and starts lopping off body parts, yet the guy still taunts him. Pretty soon, it's just a head bouncing up and down yelling "c'mon chicken, put 'em up!"

[muriel_volestrangler]

18. That's an odd memory you have of it

"gay '90s regalia" is actually medieval battle gear:

[louis-t]

19. Nah, this is a different version.

From the tv show. It was done with drawings and animated by moving only one or two limbs. One guy had a bowler hat on. I'll try and compare the dialogue. Maybe they used the same track.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. The TV show was from the early 70s

so it still won't be '90's gay regalia'.

[louis-t]

23. D'oh!

[Kennah]

43. Umm, the Gay Nineties was the 1890s so bowler hats would be expected

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nineties

[louis-t]

22. Nope, totally different skit. Same idea.

[BillyRibs]

37. Yep That's what it looks like!

[Arkana]

17. And Republicans can suck my left nut.

If Obama does not reiterate "What part of 'we do not negotiate with extortionists' do you not understand?", he's an idiot. He has nothing to lose by telling them to shove their shitty poison-pill of a deal.

[sakabatou]

24. Obama doesn't make deals with hostage takers.

[AAO]

25. Still hostage takers, still extortionsts, still treasonous bastards. Nothing has changed.

[AAO]

26. Barack should put his demands on the front page of whitehouse.gov

And everytime the baggers propose some new bullshit, just point them to the white house web site.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

27. They say there are more issues to be added to the ones

they've included in this offer. That's funny, 'cause this isn't gonna get off the ground anyhow so the “There will be some matters that we’re discussing now that would be added to that, hopefully,” Representative Hal Rogers of Kentucky, chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, said in an interview today.- statement is meaningless

[benld74]

28. Here's their kicker,,,,,

also want Obama to agree to a framework for future negotiations on long-term fiscal and health care policy

[calimary]

30. Nope. NONE.

What they want is OFF THE TABLE. Until they cooperate and give up their hostage hold.

Stand FIRM, Democrats!!!!!

[meow2u3]

33. If Republicans keep insisting on acting like criminals

The President and Senate Dems ought to start acting like cops. PBO ought to give the Republicans an offer they can't refuse: either they release the hostage and pass both a clean CR AND raise the debt ceiling for 2 years or face criminal charges of either seditious conspiracy, insurrection, advocating the overthrow of the government, or all of the above.

No one is pointing out that the GOP shutdown is a coup attempt, so to stop a coup, you have to lock up the coup plotters.

[HooptieWagon]

35. Fuck the republicans.

Attempts to negotiate or compromise has only emboldened them and led to further demands. They have now committed a figurative act of war, so the only proper response is to demand their unconditional surrender. If they are determined to drive over a cliff, don't give them a lifeline.

[Flippancy]

41. Asylums out of business?

Seems like every Republican office holder belongs there. Did they all close?

[gopiscrap]

42. Welcome to DU

[In_The_Wind]

45. Hello ~ Flippancy

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[Kennah]

44. Can we send in SWAT?