Libya demands US return al-Qaeda suspect

[Bosonic]

Source: Al Jazeera

Libya's top political authority, the General National Congress, has demanded that the United States hand back an alleged al-Qaeda operative its forces seized from the capital, Tripoli, in a weekend raid.

A Congress statement on Tuesday read out by spokesman Omar Hmidan stressed "the need for the immediate surrender" of Abu Anas al-Liby and described the US operation as a "flagrant violation of (Libya's) national sovereignty".

The text, which was passed by the Congress, also calls for the "need to allow the Libyan authorities and members of his family to get in touch with him and guarantee him access to a lawyer".

It is the first official statement from Libya that clearly condemns the operation in which Liby was snatched by US forces in broad daylight in Tripoli on Saturday.

Read more: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/10/libya-congress-demands-us-return-al-liby-201310816424531164.html

[Comrade Grumpy]

1. Governments don't like having their sovereignty violated.

Even weak governments we helped install.

Imagine our reaction if a team of Russian commandos snatched somebody off the streets of Washington.

But might makes right, I guess.

[geek tragedy]

15. Imagine if we had let an armed militia burn the Russian embassy to the ground

and then failed to arrest a single person for it.

[msanthrope]

16. Indeed. nt

[former9thward]

23. Abu Anas al-Liby is not accused of the Benghazi attack.

Those are still at large.

[geek tragedy]

25. Yes they are. nt

[Alamuti Lotus]

33. or perhaps a Chinese embassy, in Belgrade for example?

No imagination necessary--that happened too.

[geek tragedy]

36. different fact pattern nt

[proverbialwisdom]

2. More.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/07/son-al-qaida-suspect-libya

[Swede Atlanta]

3. Let's see......

We helped oust Gadhaffi. We have been providing both military and humanitarian support.

Libya knew or should have known they had a wanted terrorist in their capital city and they did nothing.

Nope...we don't even need to respond. I appreciate the issue of national sovereignty but given these facts nothing to see here...move along.

And this coming from someone who lived 5 years in Libya as a child as the son of an American oil worker. We came to have many Libyan friends and were so unhappy when Gadhaffi came to power. I hope one day to return but at this point we have enough on our hands without dealing with this as well.

[leveymg]

4. Ingrates. Who liberated you, anyway?

Better watch it, or we'll create a new Khadaffi.

[jessie04]

5. Send him back...one piece at a time.

nt

[karynnj]

9. Ugh - sounds like something one would hear from the right

Is this how you want people to see us?

[Comrade Grumpy]

13. Charmingly bloodthirsty. n/t

[Ash_F]

26. Not a comment to make DU proud, for sure. /nt

[jessie04]

30. This monster is responsible for hundred of innocent deaths...

may be tough but I'm not going to shed a tear.... he will be in Super Max sooner or later.

[Nihil]

49. That is not his purpose here. (n/t)

[Renew Deal]

6. Good luck with that

[7962]

7. Took the words right out of my mouth!

[ConcernedCanuk]

8. If USA can snatch people from other sovereign nations -

.
.
.

Why cannot other nations snatch people from the USA?

Many nations are now watching the USA like a hawk.

USA's interference/invasions are getting old.

Something's gonna bust methinks . .

soon.

CC

[dipsydoodle]

11. I don't really believe it would come to snatching.

Whoever would simply take people out on the spot : bit like Mossad has been known to do in the past - revenge for Munich for example.

[leveymg]

12. Accidents and suicides, more likely.

Setting people up for blackmail is also a favorite.

Nothing too showy.

[24601]

17. Was thinking more of Eichmann being taken from Argentina in May 1960.

[dipsydoodle]

18. I recall that event

but cannot really see anyone being removed from the US in that way.

[joshcryer]

20. They can, they're just afraid to.

It's always a question of sovereignty. Every state says this. The US is actually one of the safest countries on the planet if you don't want to be extradited anywhere. As long as you haven't pissed off anyone in the US.

[treestar]

50. This is an al Qaeda operative

The Libyans should have captured him themselves and turned him over to the US. Or been glad to have the help from the US to get him. Do they want terrorists at large in their country?

[IADEMO2004]

10. Reply "Abu Anas al-Liby Who? Never heard of him."

[geek tragedy]

14. Snort, snicker, giggle.

Next time don't shelter him, assholes.

[Comrade Grumpy]

21. The Ugly American rears his head. n/t

[geek tragedy]

22. No nation on earth would surrender custody of someone who massacred hundreds of people

at their embassies.

Not a single one.

The US is rather mundane at this point. Those wringing their hands over a poor widdle terrorist being put on trial instead of sipping mint tea in cafes are not serious on this issue.

[Alamuti Lotus]

32. So can I assume that you're in favor of Vietnamese special forces swooping in to grab Kissinger?

There's a guy who massacred millions of people, and the present Secretary of State is taking happy, smiling photo-ops with the guy. The US is very mundane on this point, I agree.

That ugly American act just gets uglier every day. But correspondingly, more entertaining as the hysterics are ramped up. So, please don't stop--just know how we perceive you.

[geek tragedy]

37. If the Vietnamese got their hands on Kissinger, I'd urge

them to televise the trial.

People who are generally anti-American in nature are not amongst those I would seek to impress in the first place.

I know you're heartbroken that al Libi is going to be held accountable, but that's your issue not ours.

[Alamuti Lotus]

39. Oh snap! I see what you did there!

While I am a little sad that I'll have to take Abu Anas off the Facebook friends list (to say nothing of being the one to break the sad news to Anas), I'm more heartbroken that some sniveling little shit on the Internet is trying to provoke me by vomiting outlandish remarks in my direction. But like I said, I find such nonsense more entertaining than anything else. And in a way, quite reassuring:--were that I to find ourselves in agreement, a true shiver of terror would follow.

[joshcryer]

42. So you disagree that Vietnam should get Kissenger?

You actually believe state sovereignty is more important than, yaknow, bringing justice to war criminals and their victims?

[joshcryer]

40. I'm all for states arresting war criminals.

The US is harboring a whole shitload of Latin American war criminals / dictators.

I don't see what's so controversial, myself. If there's someone that we want to see done justice who does it matter who does that justice?

This is a far cry from a drone attack.

[Ash_F]

27. I thought this regime was a noble ally? /nt

[joshcryer]

41. It's quite fragmented still.

And will be for some time yet as they overwhelmingly rejected radical islamists in their elections and the Muslim Brotherhood as well as AQ can't have that. Libya is a prime target for these radical islamists.

[Ash_F]

43. The people in my videos from post #35 don't look like AQ to me

But they sure got rejected by this new undemocratic Libyan regime. Didn't they?

[joshcryer]

44. They weren't elected, no.

It's why terrorists like Abu Anas al-Liby have returned to Libya, they want to start up shop. Abu Anas al-Liby's son said that he was surprised he wasn't hit by a drone and that his father isn't a terrorist. Of course, in the same interview he said that had his father made it inside they would've put up a fight.

SEALs got that dude with his pants down.

The raid has angered powerful armed groups in Libya, who say the US violated Libyan sovereignty and accuse the Libyan government of colluding with the raid - or at least turning a blind eye.

I'm always so amused when people who bash Libyans for their internal radical militas use the same pathetic talking points as those radicals!

[BluegrassDem]

19. Dear Libya: Why the fuck didn't YOU arrest him?

He's walking around the streets eating donuts and sipping on lattes right under your nose. What the hell did you expect the US to do? Sorry, register your complaint and throw the hissy fit, we ain't sending him back.

[Sunlei]

24. wonder if 'the Libyan authorities' are glad to get rid of him without public involvement.

seemed like a clean, well prepared seizure.

[Ash_F]

28. Did Duers already forget that USGov just violently installed this regime?

We have always been at war with Eastasia!

[arewenotdemo]

34. Shhhh. Obama and NATO LIBERATED Libya.

Don't you remember?

[Ash_F]

35. Gross. Almost as gross as these:

[joshcryer]

45. Or these:

[Ash_F]

46. So what? Are you trying to get me to support the racists?

Are you trying to say that the two sides were equal? I'll make it short: No they were not equal.

[joshcryer]

47. Nope, I'm saying you're not recognizing the others.

In fact by saying "the two sides were not equal" you are generalizing about one side and claiming it is worse than the other.

Gaddafi's Libya wasn't racist at all!

"Tomorrow Europe might no longer be European, and even black, as there are millions who want to come in," said Col Gaddafi, quoted by the AFP news agency

"We don't know what will happen, what will be the reaction of the white and Christian Europeans faced with this influx of starving and ignorant Africans," Col Gaddafi said.

"We don't know if Europe will remain an advanced and united continent or if it will be destroyed, as happened with the barbarian invasions."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11139345

Libya’s recent immigration “reforms,” introduced by Colonel Muammar Gadaffi apparently after overtures from Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi, resemble a catalogue of human rights abuses against migrants and asylum-seekers. African internees and migrants in Libya are being detained in what one MEP has described as “catastrophic conditions.” And Libya continues forcibly to deport Eritrean refugees to Eritrea, where they face arrest, illegal detention and torture. If Libya is called on to run EU processing camps, we can surely expect more of the same.

http://www.hrw.org/news/2004/09/15/closed-door-immigration-policy-shameful-vision

What is to be sure is that Gaddafi was the primary reason so many Libyan people were and continue to be how they are toward black Africans. It will take a generation or more for Gaddafi's corrupt ideology to be shed from the Libyan people, sadly. He started it, he fomented it, and then he is washed of all blame for it after the fact by supposed progressives who lack the information that conveyed the situation fully.

[Ash_F]

48. One side was in fact worse than the other

And doing the killing for people on the worse side is a crime. If the US government really cared they would have put a stop to the crimes against Libyan minorities.

As for this Abu Anas al-Liby person, if he is responsible for murder then he should be brought to justice. But asking any competent person to trust the word of any United States law enforcement or military agency deserves a laugh in the face. I would sooner trust a coin toss as to his guilt. The odds of it being true would be better.

[ltheghost]

29. Yeah...

We will give him back..........once we are finished making him talk.

[Alamuti Lotus]

31. Oh how cute! The NATO Republic puppets think they have sovereignty... *nt

[daleo]

38. I imagine they just say this stuff for the sake of good form

Not really expecting that they will be taken seriously. Same as Karzai.

[Historic NY]

51. The funny they want him back after helping get him....

"The guys in masks, they moved like professionals, like they knew what they were doing. But the other seven, they were standing back, they looked like amateurs, they shouted with Libyan accents and moved like Libyans. As a Libyan you just know."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/07/son-al-qaida-suspect-libya

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/world/africa/us-officials-say-libya-approved-commando-raids.html?_r=1&

[Sunlei]

52. Best for Libya to state this for their public. Of course he's never going 'home'

still amazed how clean this seizure was planned and the rest of his family not harmed. good operation!!