US ranks bottom in numeracy skills, Britain among worst three in youth literacy skills, study finds
Source: The Standard, Hong Kong
The United States is at the bottom of the heap in numeracy skills of youths among all countries of the 22-nation OECD grouping, while Britain is among the bottom three in literacy skills among 16-24 year-olds, a survey has found.
In a survey on adult skills, the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development evaluated skills in 22 OECD member states as well as Russia and Cyprus. The study involved tests on 166,000 people aged between 16 and 65 years.
In literacy skills of 55-65 year-olds, Britain ranks among the three highest-performing countries.
In numeracy, the US is about average when comparing the proficiency of 55-65 year-olds.
Read more: http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=41692&icid=a&d_str=
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Almost one in three adults in Italy (31.7%), Spain (30.6%) and the United States (28.7%) perform at or below the most basic level of numeracy, compared to around one in ten in Japan (8.2%), Finland (12.8%) and the Czech Republic (12.8%).
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Some countries have made impressive progress over recent decades in equipping more people with better literacy and numeracy skills. Young Koreans, for example, are outperformed only by their Japanese peers, while Koreas 55 to 64 year-olds are among the three lowest-performing groups of this age. Older Finns perform around the average, while younger Finns are among the top performers, together with Japan, Korea and the Netherlands.
But in England and the United States, the literacy and numeracy skills of young people entering the labour market are no better than those leaving for retirement. England ranks among the top three countries surveyed for literacy skills among the 55-65 year-olds. But the country is in the bottom three when it comes to such skills among 16-25 year-olds. American 55-65 year-olds perform around the average, but young Americans rank the lowest among their peers in the 24 countries surveyed.
http://www.oecd.org/newsroom/boosting-skills-essential-for-tackling-joblessness-and-improving-well-being.htm
Home page for the report: http://skills.oecd.org/skillsoutlook.html
Turbineguy
(37,331 posts)Fox News viewers?
Let's hope?
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)When I switched the computer on this morning and went into DU it looked different - had another left hand menu out of the blue with links to John Boehner etc and a pop up in the middle of the page saying would I help conduct a DU survey. I started to do that and was immediately switched to Fox News
Turned out to be an unwanted application out of the blue named LinkSwift , adware ,which I promptly got rid of. Only updates I had done yesterday were for Quicktime and iTunes through Apple's own site and I hadn't bothered to restart the computer after that - just switched it off late last night.
Beware if it happens to you.
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)Which browser do you use? I'm using Firefox with AdBlock so we will see what happens!
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)I will be on the lookout for weird shit then!
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Before 1959 the official literacy rate for Cuba was between 60-76%, with educational access in rural areas and a lack of instructors the main determining factor.[4] As a result, the Cuban government of Fidel Castro at Che Guevara's behest dubbed 1961 the "year of education", and sent "literacy brigades" out into the countryside to construct schools, train new educators, and teach the predominately illiterate Guajiros (peasants) to read and write. The campaign was "a remarkable success", and by the completion of the campaign, 707,212 adults were taught to read and write, raising the national literacy rate to 96%.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Literacy_Campaign
List of countries by literacy rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_literacy_rate
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Australia, NZ, and Western Europe are stated as '99%' and that is stated as assumed estimate, as highly developed countries do not survey for basic literacy at all. When the study in this OP says Britain is in the bottom 3 for literacy skills among the nations listed, this does not mean it is a leader in illiteracy but that the skills of the literate people in question are low, compared to the other countries on the list, most of which have that assumed 99% literacy rate. Cuba claims a 99.8% literacy rate, but there is no ranking of the skill set as there is in the OP's study. Cuba of course suffers from the control of the literary material available, they put gay people in jail for years for writing while being gay, so I'm sure they are super dooper literate, expect for the historic oppression of humans and of ideas. They jailed my people.
" On December 7, 1990, Cuban poet and novelist Reinaldo Arenas ended his life. Forced into exile because of his political dissidence, and dying slowly of AIDS, he could no longer withstand the physical and mental torment of the disease. His brief suicide note, expressing contentment for a life well lived, nonetheless conveyed a sense of burning rage. Persons near me are in no way responsible for my decision, wrote Arenas, whose life Julian Schnabel portrayed elegiacally in his adaptation of Arenas memoir Before Night Falls.
There is only one person I hold accountable: Fidel Castro.
Like countless other gay Cubans, many of whom were executed or rounded up into concentration camps and worked to death in the name of Socialist revolution, Arenas was persecuted for his sexuality."
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/hiding-cuba-crimes-behind-gay-rights-lies-article-1.1098015
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)I don't think so.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)When AIDS hit, Fidel handled it the way the people in the US said it should have been handled, as an epidemic and to isolate people who might spread the disease. Cuba had a low rate if AIDS during the 1980s. The problem was the isolation slowed down the spread of the disease but did not stop the spread.
http://www.prairiefirenewspaper.com/2009/02/success-story-of-hiv-and-aids-control-in-cuba
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/08/health/cubas-aids-sanitariums-fortresses-against-a-viral-foe.html
In the early 1990s the Doctor in charge of containing AIDS decided that the complete quarantine system was not only NOT needed, but in some ways defeating his efforts to isolate AIDS in Cuba (for many people with AIDS refused to get tested do to fears of being quarantined). Thus the doctor asked and finally received permission to leave most people with AIDS out of quarantine and into the general public. That has been the general rule in Cuba since about 1995, if a person with AIDS takes the effort to make sure he or she does NOT spread the disease, he or she is permitted to live anywhere in Cuba. If he or she spreads the disease that is a different story. Castro, as suggested by the Doctor in charge, also made it the rule that the State will ASSUME people with the disease are NOT spreading it. i.e. they have to have evidence of someone spreading the disease, not that if someone is a homosexual.
The Cuban method of complete quarantine till Cuba knew more about how the disease was spread, and then relax restrictions on people with AIDS once how it spread was understood is the classic method of handling a new disease. This two step process used by Cuba has given Cuba a handle on how to handle AIDS. This had given Cuba one of the lowest rate of AIDS in the world. You may dislike the concept of quarantine, but it was suggested in the US when AIDS first hit, for that is how the US and every other nation, handles new diseases that hits the US or those nations. Now, sometimes the disease spread to fast for a quarantine to be imposed (Colds and Flus spread to fast for such treatment), but other diseases, including other Venereal diseases where handled this way. In most cases that kept the disease isolated and out of mainstream America. In the case of AIDS, the efforts in this direction to contain the spread of AIDS found massive resistance in the Homosexual Community which had been one of the first segments of the American Population hit by AIDS. In face of that opposition the Federal Government back down. I blame Reagan for this. He had known Homosexuals in his days in Hollywood and good relations with them. Instead of saying, we have to treat AIDS as a INFECTIOUS DISEASE, he accepted the argument it was a CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE and in my opinion left it go. That was the time Containment was called for, the Center for Infectious disease even had a map of where AIDS was spreading (and the seven Cities where the person who is believed to have brought AIDS into the US had flown during a trip he made as a Seward on a Plane).
It took years for San Francisco to close down its bath houses, long after it had been shown that AIDS was being spread is such locations. In many ways to it was to little to late. Congress even decided to get into the act of Containment, to little, to late and in the wrong way. In 1993 Congress decided to ban anyone who said they had AIDS into the US. Yes, in the early 1990s, Cuba decided to relax containment of people with AIDS for Containment side affect, fear of containment was leading to increase spread of AIDS. Most infections are done by men who do NOT know they have AIDS, so Congress decided to ban Men who KNEW they had AIDS (For Containment to work, it must be effective as to stopping the spread of any disease, what Congress did in 1993 had no affect on the spread of AIDS in the US and thus ineffective Containment). I will NOT go into the mind set of Congress, a Congress that did not want to spend money tracking down people who did not know they had AIDS, but were willing to pass a law that punished people who KNEW they had AIDS and were self contained do to that Knowledge.
When you have a new infectious disease you track it down and do your best to isolate it. You do what is needed to contain its spread. Reagan failed to do that. Reagan's second problem was when AIDS entered the intravenous drug sub-culture, he refused to handle it as experts told him to do so, i.e. the spread was do to sharing needles, stop the sharing of needles by providing free and clean needles. Congress's actions in 1993 in regards to people with AIDS made no sense, for these men were NOT coming to the US to spread AIDS.
Containment (Quarantine) can prevent the spread of a disease, if the containment plan is carefully drawn to make sure that is all that it is doing. At the start of any new infections, containment will be broader then may latter to found to be needed. That is NOT a fault of the concept of Containment but an inherent problem one has to face when Containment is called for in face of an unknown infectious disease. Containment to be effective has to be what is minimally required. In the Case of AIDS, the speed of its spread was unknown in the 1980s, as we learned more of the disease, we determined less containment was needed (and in many ways less containment can lead to reduce spreading of the disease, as was the case in Cuba since the mid 1990s).
I hate to say this, how Castro handle AIDS was probably the best overall method. Containment, then when it was found complete containment was NOT needed, reduced containment, to the almost no containment Cuba had today. At the same time go after people who are spreading the disease and get them to stop spreading AIDS, either by educating them and if that fails Quarantining them.
Side note: AIDS is a VIRAL INFECTION, we have NEVER found a cure for a Viral infection. The closest thing to a "Cure" for a Virus is how we deal with Rabies. If someone is bitten by an animal with Rabies, we shoot that person up with weaken Rabies virus as a vaccine, hoping his body will develop anti-bodies to Rabies by the time the rabies actual appear. This is extremely effective if the Vaccine is given soon after the person is bitten. If Rabies does appear in a Human, he or she has a 99% chance of dieing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabies
Now, Viruses can be prevented by being given a Vaccine. The vaccine is either a dead or weaken form of the Virus. Some AIDS research is directed at such a Vaccine. We have research going back to Reagan on Treatments for AIDS (And a massive amount of Research from the British effort from 1945 till the early 1990s to find a cure for the common cold, it is a huge amount of data on viruses and how their spread). The problem is AIDS has a constantly changing outer coat. As the body detects one form of the coat and starts to defeat AIDS, other coats become dominate and spread. The body beats back each new coat over and over again, but sooner or later the body fails to produce the antibodies and the AIDS spreads and kills. Various treatments have been introduced to help the body handle the AIDS Virus, but that is all that these treatment do (one for example interferes with how AIDS attached itself to DNA to replicate itself, which is how all viruses make new viruses). These have spread out the life expectancy of people with AIDS (and in at least one case, the body was able to cure itself with the assistance of these treatments) but these are NOT cures, just treatments (and the classic way to handle a virus is to handle the syndromes and leave the body cure itself, so this may be a way to cure people of AIDS).
All of the above helps us deal with AIDS, but in the mean time the best way to handle it is to prevent its spread. Cuba's present policy seems to be working. Test for AIDS, but no imprisonment, but hospitalization is available. If someone is spreading the disease, track him or her down and isolate him or her. If it is do to lack of knowledge (i.e. did not know they had AIDS) then education may be all that is needed, but if it is because they do NOT care about others, then isolation is called for. Similar policies should be done in the US (and are to a limited degree). Handing out clean needles, even when such acts were illegal, seems to have dropped the rate of drug spread AIDS.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)It comes from the glorification of self-esteem over actual skills. Wanna bet that most of these ignoramuses believes that their level of numeracy is at least average? The sad part is that many folks, convinced they have adequate skills, are actually as capable as a bowl of mice.
seabeckind
(1,957 posts)and have the states determine curriculum.
</sarcasm>
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Probably wouldn't change a thing, right?
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Dare I say that both sides do it?
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)What do they do differently in Japan and Finland?
Japan is a mono ethnic society that prizes technology and education but are their education methods different? Finland also has a small immigrant population relative to others.
One thought is that family size may be a factor. In other words in segments where the birth rate is low, people are raised with more individual attention and involvement. If we think of parents as teachers then this is like having a high teacher to student ratio. But the study, as I read it, didn't really say much about cause and effect as the focus was more on the gap between nations.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,318 posts)In the numeracy test for young adults, the next 2 lowest are Spain and Italy - and, despite being very Catholic, those are well known for having had low birth rates for some time.
It might have some relationship to immigration rates; but Australia and Canada, both countries with high rates, came further up, while the Netherlands, which has a significant immigrant population, came top in the numeracy test.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)And Massachusetts, taken as it's own country, would be about the top performer in the world!
daleo
(21,317 posts)And being a teacher is considered to be one of the most important and esteemed professions you can work at. It permeates their culture. I married a Finn, so I am fairly familiar with their attitudes.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)is that many, many students attend "cram schools" after regular school. Enrolling in a public high school is not simply a matter of passing junior high and going on to the neighborhood high school. Rather, it usually entails taking tests for what are considered the "best" high schools that are within reach of the student, which in turn usually entails entering some cram school that specializes in preparing the student for such tests.
There are also soroban (abacus) schools where students can sharpen their math skills using very old-fashioned calculators, not to mention privately-run English schools which help to hone students' language skills.
Bosso 63
(992 posts)USA! USA!
seabeckind
(1,957 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)Marthe48
(16,962 posts)What was hard was converting English measures to metric and then using metric. If you just use metric, it's all 10ths. I think metric failed to catch on in the US because of the conversion step.
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)You take a room full of kids -- without calculators -- and make them do a bunch of long division just to get to the start of the problem and they won't like it.
If they'd just have taught metric units for a few weeks, showing the kids how easy that is, then they could have put conversions at the very end (reminding everyone that once we switched there'd be no need for conversion).
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...industrial resistance. Getting rid of the 9/16th wrench would bring the USA to a standstill.
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Marthe48
(16,962 posts)including shop. We had to know how to convert an English measure, like 9/16's to metric if we wanted to use a metric wrench, but we had access to both. As soon as I realized how easy metric was without converting, I memorized the wrench sizes and stuck with the metric wrenches. Probably upped my grade a lot!
wordpix
(18,652 posts)Marthe48
(16,962 posts)time-consuming and confusing for my kids and me!
wordpix
(18,652 posts)gawd we need to get rid of oz to cups to pints, quarts, gal and inches to feet to miles. Talk about the difficulty of conversions. Give me ml, l, cm, m and km any day.
seabeckind
(1,957 posts)Our entire system is based on performance metrics. The beancounters took over. Rather than relying on a teacher's ability to teach, the beancounters forced a system where we have to be able to measure the teachers effectiveness so the whole system shifted to one that provided the means for measurement.
Knowledge and learning is very abstract.
But the MBA mentality doesn't allow for abstracts.
Learning is much more than the environment. A big part of learning is learning how to learn. And why to learn. Once that base is established the student moves on his own power.
Add in the idea of intellectual curiosity and the student will want to learn. And do so.
The last factor in the equation involves dissatisfaction. The idea that a particular situation must be studied because the student does not care for the status quo. Hence the search for improvement.
The study noted a downward trend in the performance inversely to age. The older Americans fared much better than the younger ones in the comparison. I think the reason for that is the dissatisfaction I mentioned above. As I was growing up the whole idea was if you didn't like the way something was, you didn't blandly accept it. You looked to improve it to fit your own personal needs. Afterwards if it could be applied universally the change rippled and became new technology. (Eg, Jobs and Wozniaks garage).
That hasn't happened. We haven't had a sea change in the last 20 or 30 years.
Why?
BTW, there was a piece done a while back on innovation. I think it was Ezra Klein. Good piece.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)-- They trust their teachers
-- "do whatever it takes" attitude
-- only one standardized test, one time during K-12
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/people-places/Why-Are-Finlands-Schools-Successful.html
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Japan beats everyone hands down in both category when you just compare Native Born Citizens, #2 Korea beat the US in Numeracy, but the US beats Korea in Literacy (Again among Native Born Citizens). Japan has no reported immigration so no non-native speakers were tested in Japan.
Sweden, Norway, Flanders, Canada, Netherlands, Finland, and England all beat out the US in BOTH Categories among Native born Citizens (but I can make the argument that some of differences between the US and these other counties are within Statistical error of each other but that is also true of the following comparisons).
The US beats out Italy, Ireland, and Spain in both Categories among native born citizens.
The US beats out and loses to France, Czech Republic, Austria, Germany, Korea, Poland and Denmark in one of the two Categories among native born Citizens and loses in the other catagory. Some of these categories were so close it is almost a flip of a coin to determine who "Won" the category, the US or the other country.
Now, the analysis will be affected by the raise in immigration over the last 30 years. Given the much lower ratings among immigrants in both categories in all nations, this may be the best explanation for lower ratings for 18-24 years old compared to older Americans. i.e. A higher percentage of Older Americans are "Native born" then younger Americans. Thus the reason older Americans have higher ratings in both categories then younger Americans may be do to immigration not education (Immigration is rarely one way, in many cases, if not most, it is two way, as a young man or woman you move to where you can find work, then in middle age or senior years you move back "home". This is more true of males then females but it was known as early as the 1600s, you have a huge number of people going BACK to Europe in Steerage in the late 1800s and early 1900s and today you have people who move from the US to Mexico or Central America on an almost yearly basis).
Sebastians father
(11 posts)Explain.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Say you're at a store like I was yesterday and a cashier punches in some numbers, 1.99 + 6.99, and comes up with $5. I knew immediately she was wrong, no matter what she put in the machine and what it showed. But for awhile, she did not get that $2 + $7 = $9, not $5. I had to explain (a few times) I was using the 2 + 7 as estimates but my estimate was correct and not her machine numbers.
I think she did not get the "estimating" idea. Her numeracy is weak.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)A rough way to determine Stastical error rate is to look at "standard diviation" and that is the square root of the mean of errors (in this case since I do NOT have a mean of errors I will use the Mean in the report). Given that the average is this report is about 270, that would make the "Standard diviation" of 270 or about in this case about 16. If that is the case all but two countries are within one "Standard diviation" of the average thus at best we have a 90% Confidence level (i.e 10% chance that the difference is the produce of statistical error not anything real). In most cases we do not even have a 90% confidence for the numbers are to close for to many nations.
I would have to deferr to someone who has a more recent statistical course then I have, 30 years ago, but the above is a rough way to look at these numbers. I would also have to deferr to someone who HAS access to the error rate in this study, which I do not have.
Unless the error rate is less then 16 (and you would have to see the actual study to determine that and the references I see do not mention the error rate) all this test says everyone is close to being the same except for recent immigrants. As to immigrants, they are within three "Standard Diviation" but outside two "Standard diviation" (if 270 is the mean of all errors), thus we have only a 95% confidence that immigrants scored lower on this test for some real reason as opposed to statisical chance (i.e. a 5% chance that the result is the product of mere chance).
My point is this report does NOT give me enough data (i.e. no error rate) to determine how accurate is this report, my guess (and that is all it is) is the square root of the average or the Standard diviation and I know that is wrong.
Just a comment that I have problems with this report for it does NOT provide the underlying data, which is a problem if you want to determined if the report is accurate or just someone's pie dream.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,318 posts)Annex A - pp. 249-406 in the full report: http://bit.ly/skillsoutlook
or as spreadsheets - eg the Chapter 2 tables are available here: http://www.oecd.org/site/piaac/chapter2proficiencyinkeyinformation-processingskillsamongworking-ageadults.htm
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Almost all of these "studies" are neoliberal bullshit.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,318 posts)OECD is funded by its member countries. National contributions are based on a formula which takes account of the size of each member's economy. The largest contributor is the United States, which provides nearly 22% of the budget, followed by Japan.
Countries may also make voluntary contributions to financially support outputs in the OECD programme of work.
How the budget is managed
The size of OECD's budget and its programme of work are determined on a two-year basis by member countries. The Organisation's planning, budgeting and management are all organised on a results-based system.
Independent external auditing of the Organisations accounts and financial management is performed by a Supreme Audit Institution of an OECD member country, appointed by the Council.
http://www.oecd.org/about/budget/
Other countries joined in, starting with Japan in 1964. Today, 34 OECD member countries worldwide regularly turn to one another to identify problems, discuss and analyse them, and promote policies to solve them. The track record is striking. The US has seen its national wealth almost triple in the five decades since the OECD was created, calculated in terms of gross domestic product per head of population. Other OECD countries have seen similar, and in some cases even more spectacular, progress.
So, too, have countries that a few decades ago were still only minor players on the world stage. China, India and Brazil have emerged as new economic giants. Most of the countries that formed part of the former Soviet bloc have either joined the OECD or adopted its standards and principles to achieve our common goals. Russia is negotiating to become a member of the OECD, and we now have close relations with Brazil, China, India, Indonesia and South Africa through our enhanced engagement programme. Together with them, the OECD brings around its table 40 countries that account for 80% of world trade and investment, giving it a pivotal role in addressing the challenges facing the world economy.
http://www.oecd.org/about/history/
wordpix
(18,652 posts)I was getting reimbursed for an overcharge. When I said, "That's basically $7+ $2 = $9, so $5 is wrong," she was insistent for awhile. Finally saw the light after a few more mins when I repeated a few times.
sendero
(28,552 posts)...but we kick ass at Halo and Call of Duty.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Claiming the US education system is shit compared to other countries is an old neoliberal lie.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,318 posts)And she's written a book on it by today? Or are you claiming that the USA can never be sub-par - it would just be unthinkable? The USA is always Number One? So you'll just believe that something someone wrote earlier will be true for ever and ever?