Ex-NSA Chief Jokes About Putting Edward Snowden on Kill List...
Source: The Hill
Former National Security Agency Director Michael Hayden joked Thursday about putting Edward Snowden on a kill list. Hayden noted that Snowden has been nominated for a European human rights award.
"I must admit, in my darker moments over the past several months, I'd also thought of nominating Mr. Snowden, but it was for a different list," Hayden said during a panel discussion on cybersecurity hosted by The Washington Post.
The audience laughed, and Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), chairman of the House Intelligence Committee who was also on the panel, responded, "I can help you with that."
Both officials argued that Snowden's leaks about the scope of the NSA's surveillance programs have done serious damage to U.S. national security...
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OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)
warrant46
(2,205 posts)Wonder how many other murders Hayden would have been in an accessory role.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
Goalie49009
(748 posts)even joking we would be in jail... 
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)
24601
(3,962 posts)See, nothing....
[sotto voce] Honey, see who is at the door.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)He is the traitor to the U.S., not the whistle blower Snowden. Notice how it is fading from the spotlight w/o anyone actually doing anything? They will never give up ground as long as we let ourselves get distracted with their rapid fire BS!
Other examples:
Wall Street reform;
Gun legislation;
Voter I.D.;
Electronic voting machines...
I am sure there are many more but I got distracted!
villager
(26,001 posts)...in Minnesota."
Heh heh heh.
Hilarious, I tell ya.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The "Intervention" List.
DU2 no longer opens the OP, but enough remains on my DU2 Journal to provide details.
villager
(26,001 posts)...since the second World War?
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Please let me know your thoughts on this and the connected responses on an LBN thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=608640
villager
(26,001 posts)...from the most rabid of head-in-sand Nixon/Reagan defenders.
So little difference between them it's... pathetic.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...during the Bush years.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)
dgibby
(9,474 posts)TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)By JO BECKER and SCOTT SHANE
Published: May 29, 2012 1208 Comments
WASHINGTON — This was the enemy, served up in the latest chart from the intelligence agencies: 15 Qaeda suspects in Yemen with Western ties. The mug shots and brief biographies resembled a high school yearbook layout. Several were Americans. Two were teenagers, including a girl who looked even younger than her 17 years.
President Obama, overseeing the regular Tuesday counterterrorism meeting of two dozen security officials in the White House Situation Room, took a moment to study the faces. It was Jan. 19, 2010, the end of a first year in office punctuated by terrorist plots and culminating in a brush with catastrophe over Detroit on Christmas Day, a reminder that a successful attack could derail his presidency. Yet he faced adversaries without uniforms, often indistinguishable from the civilians around them.
“How old are these people?” he asked, according to two officials present. “If they are starting to use children,” he said of Al Qaeda, “we are moving into a whole different phase.”
It was not a theoretical question: Mr. Obama has placed himself at the helm of a top secret “nominations” process to designate terrorists for kill or capture, of which the capture part has become largely theoretical. He had vowed to align the fight against Al Qaeda with American values; the chart, introducing people whose deaths he might soon be asked to order, underscored just what a moral and legal conundrum this could be.
Mr. Obama is the liberal law professor who campaigned against the Iraq war and torture, and then insisted on approving every new name on an expanding “kill list,” poring over terrorist suspects’ biographies on what one official calls the macabre “baseball cards” of an unconventional war. When a rare opportunity for a drone strike at a top terrorist arises — but his family is with him — it is the president who has reserved to himself the final moral calculation.
CONTINUED...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
This is one of the programs exempt from the government shut-down.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...ginned up about how Snowden single handedly severely damaged our global foreign relations & our national security?
villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)I give less than a damn if Hayden told a joke about kill lists and Eric Effin-Snowden........
Now if Hayden had some dish on Boehner that would persuade him to bring a clean bill to the floor and he wouldn't use it - then I'd give two phucks!
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I'm not used to actual Democrats judging every situation by how it affects them personally. That's usually reserved for republicans.
Maybe you're one of those "New Democrats" I keep hearing about. I can't say I like the revised model.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Who are you anyway?
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Don't expect sympathy for losing pay when you can't be bothered to give it in return.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)I merely stated that I didn't get all the outrage over a joke about kill lists and Edward Snowden when Edward Snowden is alive and well and spilling our secrets at will.......
"Don't expect sympathy for losing pay when you can't be bothered to give it in return." Give sympathy in return to whom? WTH are you talking about? Are you sleep typing or something?
Last1standing - you should take some Ambien and be the next1layingdown. You make about as much sense as the republicants.
I'm bored now and thru with you......
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)So you resent Snowden revealing that our government has been secretly breaking the law on a massive scale -- and eviscerating our Constitutionally guaranteed rights as citizens under the profoundly ironical guise of "national security?"
I am in awe of some of the attitudes expressed here on this board, on this subject. 
ehcross
(166 posts)Perhaps what the U.S. needs is another 9/11 as a reminder of the things that can happen to Americans.
Edward Snowden is alive and well and spilling our secrets at will. Good for him, for he will have nowhere to run when the next 9/11 comes. His whereabouts are known and planes can hit anywhere.
Americans should not praise Snowden so much. He was trusted too much and his king-size ego got the best of him. Nobody in America knew, nor suspected, that Snowden was a Russian asset under control by no less than Vladimir Putin in the Kremlin.
Now he will probably install his super-sophisticated listening devices to allow Putin to monitor the White House cook.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)We Americans have far more to fear from our own government than from any would-be bin Laden.
Our founding fathers faced far worse than 9/11, and our soldiers and citizenry bore their casualties very well, thank you.
All this fear mongering is an insult to freedom loving Americans.
Sure we need a robust surveillance system, [font color="red"]but it must obey the law and not undermine our Constitution![/font] What's so difficult to understand about that?
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Yes you asked for sympathy when you whined about being out of work as some sort of lame excuse for dismissing a sick joke on the part of a former NSA chief (like one has anything to do with the other).
Of course when called out for posting such a childish comment you doubled down with a spiteful tantrum. I expected nothing less from you, and certainly nothing better.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...ad hominem swipes. I believe we've all had bad days & said some fairly questionable things from time to time.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Snowden is not spilling "our" secrets.
I am not a part of the total surveillance state.
The only "we" in this equation is the people. Snowden is giving us the information that we are entitled to know, information that was hidden from us in violation of the constitution.
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Someone whom the world assumes already is on a kill list.
Totally harmless, you think?
If it's a joke, is this how this government or its officials should be representing itself to a world that already thinks of it as a pack of killers?
Shame on you "TheDebbieDee"
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)With that picture and the blind loyalty of an attack dog, think again. I'm just mentioning this because you make the impression you think that's what you are doing. Apologies if that's not your purpose.
People like you who defend public musings on murdering dissidents by former Bush state officials are a P.R. nightmare for the Obama administration. You are objectively damaging this administration.
But wait, maybe that is your purpose in the first place? You want to highlight the most breathaking horrible things the administration does so as to damage it?
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)BTW, you're projecting like a mofo!
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Your purpose, is not to help Obama. Well in that case carry on, you're doing a great job of making bad PR for this admin.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Really? ..... I mean really? Two high level republicans joking about murdering a US citizen in the halls of Congress witnessed by the world press.
I think you are more like 'manufacturing consent" on illegal and immoral behavior..... shame on you.
The US hit list and the NSA's role will come out soon.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...given kind of power wielded by this man. I'm inclined to take a person like that seriously.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)This Bush appointee was on board during the worse
of abuses. He has lied to congress repeatably. He sees himself above the law and able to disregard the Constitution at will if he can get away with it.
It wasn't a joke..... it was a warning to others and to Snowden.
The Republican replied ..''Maybe I can help you with that'' assassination
Sick, pathological and dangerous talk even in private ears but this was before congress.
I think the next Snowden release on NSA's assassination tapes will blow us away. Its coming soon.
Manufactured outrage?......... that statement
was an outrage
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...and as I asked earlier, what about the outrage manufactured against Snowden for "single handedly" crippling our foreign relations along with our national security?
If the billions of dollars we spend on diplomacy & national security can be compromised by a single individual (which I'm not averring) -- wherein lies the problem???
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)Thanks for the distracting entertainment(?) that many of the responses to my original post in this thread have provided.
Some of you mind-readers have shown that you are in desperate need of some of the mental hygiene services that may have been provided by our government before it was SHUTDOWN. For your sake, for all of our sake's, I hope that you get back on your meds soon. Bye now.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Its about the NSA, not you and your lack of medications or rantings about something not pertaining to this thread.
Try to focus...... I can give you links on your issues if you wish.
RC
(25,592 posts)How are they gonna do that if too many people know too much about what they are doing? You know like the US Government for starts.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Eddie Snowden really did a LOT of harm to the credibility of whistleblowers as a whole when he decided to flee to China, then Russia, with the info that he'd stolen. Come on, folks, he's no Ellsberg.....Ellsberg actually exposed stuff that had never been made public, and stuff that was actually posing a real and present danger to the public! Not to mention that Ellsberg never put any innocent parties in danger, either. Snowden, however, did the exact opposite, and not even for any altruistic reasons. He did it for the sheer hell of it at the very least....or worse....did it perhaps to screw over the Obama administration; and given that he's a Ron/Rand Paul fanatic I can't help but suspect that it was the latter.
RC
(25,592 posts)If Edward (not Eddy) Snowden had not fled, he would be facing the same ordeal as Manning did. The NSA would still be continuing on as if nothing had happened and we would not be much wiser as to the extent of the criminally of our increasingly unconstitutional spying network. Snowden would have been just another blip in the Friday news dump. Snowden did us and the world a favor in exposing the extent of the illegal spying on American citizens.
The NSA is less concerned with terrorist and such, as it is with gathering information on American citizens for the purpose of blackmail and control. You are chugalugging the koolaid here.
ehcross
(166 posts)The country's security is at stake here. Yet no one dares to point out that Edward Snowden, all by himself, was able to destroy a super sophisticated system that allowed his country a level of security never dreamed of.
Everyone is angrily accusing the NSA of breaching their rights to privacy. Not one cares about how U.S. Security had been upgraded to allow better capacity to detect threats on time.
Snowden destroyed years of high technology work leaving the U.S. exposed to danger again.
People don't seem to see farther than their nose, without realizing that THE U.S. IS NOW CONSIDERABLY LESS SECURE THAN IT WAS LAST YEAR.
Lastly, Brazil's president evidently has no need for the degree of security the U.S. evidently needs. Hence, she should not resent the U.S. need for hi-grade communications monitoring, one which might become very handy if her country is ever threatened.
RC
(25,592 posts)When our private communications are being gathered wholesale and combed for possible subversive intent? Name one, just one terrorist, they exposed? Other than by FBI stings that is.
As far as the NSA is concerned, "We the people..." are the enemy. Ever hear of the 4th Amendment? The spying the NSA is doing on American citizens, is in violation of the Constitution. The do it anyway, under cover of their own secret court, set up for just that purpose, to make it appear legal.
― Benjamin Franklin
Are you sure you are in the correct site? Your paranoia says no. The United Stated has enemies mainly because too many people in high places depend on those enemies for their pay check. Ever hear of the Military Industrial Complex - MIC? The NSA is a part of that mentality.
BTY, Snowden did the world a favor by what he did. We need more Snowden's. We need more Manning's also.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)...as cover for the MIC's protection racket, perpetrated upon the American people. The operative phrase here is "plausible deniability."
reddread
(6,896 posts)some cant admit it and continue their efforts in "good" faith.
ehcross
(166 posts)Americans live in their own world. They don't want to know about the rest of the world. But a little bit of curiousity would show them how lucky they are, and how unlucky most other countries are. That would make them appreciate their luck of having been born in the United States. Do some travelling, you will be surprised at the poverty and chaos most of the world lives in. Perhaps you will also stop complaining and start helping other people follow suit.
No, Edward Snowden is no hero. He could have done a lot to help the U.S. restore some credibiity by supporting the security effort
rather than boicotting it. It is always easy to destroy, but extremely difficult to reconstruct, particularly when prople are indifferent .
You need more Snowdens? More Mannings?
What you need is another 9/11, that will make you feel very, very little, and appreciate the values thay only your country has.
reddread
(6,896 posts)the exact same garbage I have heard from AM radio whackjobs.
go choke on something before you wish terrorism on anyone.
RC
(25,592 posts)But it doesn't sound like you have done much travailing yourself, though. Take off your rose colored glasses and look around you.
A lot of that poverty you mentioned is our doings because of our meddling in the internal affairs of other countries, mainly in South America and the Middle East. How many free Democracies have we toppled and installed Right-wing dictatorships? That is where a lot of the poverty is. We have, right here in this country, some of the same hopeless poverty as can be found in any 3rd world country. Bet cha didn't know that, didcha?
There are plenty of people in other countries that are glad they do not live here. They enjoy greater freedom, Universal Health Care, no government spying on them. Better and less expensive education, through university. Faster and better Internet. Much better gun control. Free and honest elections. And have a real voice in what their government goes.
We do need more Snowdens and more Mannings to expose the illegal activities and war crimes our government have been and are still doing.
William Jefferson Clinton, when he was leaving office, gave the incoming bu$h administration a 2½ inch think report about the coming attach. So they knew to within a week of when the attack would be. What was not known, was where. So, the bu$h administration did know about what we now call 9/11 because the previous administration (Clinton) told then about it. The report was shelved, unread. There is no need for another 9/11, because the neo-cons got their wars.
What enemies do we have, that we have not made ourselves? China? If China stopped trading with us, this nation would be on it knees within weeks. We have outsourced way too much of our manufacturing to them, that we used to make here and now can't.
Russia? They are not communist anymore. We were helping Russia dismantle their nuclear armament, until the bu$h II administration was appointed by the Supreme Court. So that came to a screeching halt.
Also Bill Clinton had Israel and Palestine within weeks of signing a peace agreement. He simply ran out of time to get the process done. Bu$h ignored them and all the negotiations fell through.
So, yeah Snowden and Manning are heros. They honored their oath to uphold the Constitution. The NSA spying has not stopped one attack. Not one. They find the culprits after the fact, yes. But they have never stopped anyone before they did their deed, even when they knew what was happening. The ones we hear about, every single one, was a sting operation, usually by the FBI.
ehcross
(166 posts)If Edward Snowden had not betrayed his country by exposing classified information which is vital for his country's security, he could have been of inmense value to, not only the United States, but to the world.
It is of great concern how some Americans deliberately reject every measure that is taken to enhance security, unde the pretext that it violates their freedom.
Such attitude clearly shows how little Americans appreciate security, and it is simply because in their country security is assumed, and credible, ever since 9/11.
reddread
(6,896 posts)where do you get all that manure?
former9thward
(32,017 posts)http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-07-07/opinions/40427629_1_daniel-ellsberg-pentagon-papers-snowden-s
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I guess Ellsberg was fooled, BIG TIME, by this guy. Because these two men really have nothing in common: Ellsberg was a patriot genuinely concerned about corruption in the gov't. Snowden? He did this shit for the hell of it, at the very least.....and maybe worse.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)What'cha got?
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Hell, his support of Ron Paul, his past comments about hackers, and the fact that he fled straight to Russia and China with this info, our two biggest rivals, mind you, are all MAJOR red flags. And yet some people still don't get it, because they've been fucking hoodwinked by what is an obvious con game.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)This is my greater concern -- that our government has been secretly breaking the law on a massive scale -- and eviscerating our Constitutionally guaranteed rights as citizens under the profoundly ironical guise of "national security."
Does this concern you at all, or is your outrage only at the messenger of this bad news???
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Posts in this thread are examples of the feeble sycophancy that has emboldened them into what they are today.
Edit - I guess just one post. Maybe the government shutdown has been embarrassing enough such that the usual suspects have acquired some shame.
As seen in Soviet Russia...Oh, wait...
Octafish
(55,745 posts)
"He actually suggested in that interview that the CIA might send the Mafia after him. That seems probably a little far-fetched." -- Tom Gjelten to Linda Wertheimer
It's no joke. Doesn't anyone at NPR remember how the CIA hired the Mafia to kill Castro?
FTR: That was 1960 when Ike was president, Nixon was veep, and Dulles headed CIA.
Steviehh
(115 posts)Cavalier attitude from an IT cowboy.
Indi Guy
(3,992 posts)
bobthedrummer
(26,083 posts)manuals or the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation instructors in Georgia. K&R.
Some links to ponder-hahaha
School of the Americas/WHINSEC Wikipedia entry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Americas
School of the Americas Watch
http://www.soaw.org/about-the-soawhinsec/soa-manuals
National Security Archive KUBARK docs
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB122/index.htm
Or maybe he means the WETWORK taken on from various domestic enemies lists that are part of the history of many former/current leaders of the United States of America?
