GOP lawmakers predict shutdown will last for weeks

[TomCADem]

Source: The Hill

When asked how long the current impasse would last, a number of lawmakers agreed that it could go on for weeks, at least until Oct. 17, when the nation is expected to hit the debt limit.

“Two weeks,” a GOP lawmaker told The Hill.

“At least a week,” Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-Ind.) predicted.

“Until the debt ceiling is hit,” Rep. Duncan Hunter Jr. (R-Calif.) said, noting that the administration could move the date up, instead of leaving it at the projected Oct. 17 marker.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326277-gop-lawmakers-predict-shutdown-will-last-for-weeks

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Yup, Republicans are now openly talking about and acknowledging that they are ready to push the Nation into default unless they get their way. Of course, they could simply pass a CR and raise the debt limit, then start negotiating as Democrats have repeatedly offered for the past six months, but I guess it is considered rude to raise this fact,

[trublu992]

1. Great your funeral bitches!!

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

2. The rating agencies probably won't wait until 11:59 to cut the USAs credit rating.

The GOP is really effin dumb.

[lostincalifornia]

4. So if republicans like cantor are shorting right now, can they be prosecuted for insider trading?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

5. Probably not unless they were telling other people about it.

They're derelict in their jobs right now and are laughing their asses off to the bank so what is a little insider trading amongst scoundrels?

[gopiscrap]

8. Welcome to DU

[olddad56]

3. The are hoping it lasts that long.

[PatrynXX]

6. well since Dems have compromised as much as possible

there's nothing to do but wait till Repukes figure out they made an error. ACA is law so can't do anything there and delaying it a year would be very expensive

[gopiscrap]

7. Holy fuck, I hope it ruins the GOP

[ffr]

9. Rep. Pelosi, please start discharge petition

Have it typed up and ready.

Beohner and Co. are not going to pass a CR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discharge_petition

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/09/1222199/-How-to-get-bills-through-the-House-the-discharge-petition#

[Tumbulu]

10. Thanks! Wow, something to suggest at last

That might work.

[yuiyoshida]

15. oh please let the Democrats come up with something that will

Pull out the carpet from under these Teabag Republicans. Something so effective that it will burn their party for all time!!!

[KewlKat]

17. Never heard of this before!!!

That's why I love DU I learn something useful everyday. Why are we not DEMANDING the dems to push a discharge petition through using those repubs that are willing to play ball? Someone in DC must have thought of this!!!!

[Agnosticsherbet]

11. The modern discharge petition requires the signature of an absolute majority of House members (218)

There are 200 democrats.

What 18 Republicans will sign it?

[BumRushDaShow]

16. "What 18 Republicans will sign it?"

The ones from suburban Philly metro (both in PA and NJ) including Meehan, Fitzpatrick, Dent, Runyan, LoBiondo...

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/vulnerable-republicans-end-the-shutdown-97654.html

Huffington had a list from earlier -

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Rep. Pat Meehan (R-Pa.)
Rep. Scott Rigell (R-Va.)
Rep. Jon Runyan (R-N.J.)
Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.)
Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.)
Rep. Peter King (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.)
Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.)
Rep. Frank Wolf (R-Va.)
Rep. Michael Grimm (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Erik Paulsen (R-Minn.)
Rep. Rob Wittman (R-Va.)
Rep. Frank LoBiondo (R-N.J.)
Rep. Randy Forbes (R-Va.)
Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.)
Rep. Leonard Lance (R-N.J.)
Rep. Bill Young (R-Fla.)
Rep. Mario Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.)
Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.)
Rep. Rodney Davis (R-Ill.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/01/house-republicans-clean-cr_n_4024755.html

The key here being that there have consistently been about 9 Democrats who have voted the other way and I expect there are other rethugs who would vote for the clean CR who have not come out on the record to hopefully offset them. These are folks who are essentially in swing Districts (where gerrymandering wasn't enough to make their Districts solid red and where the Democrats don't normally bother with off-year elections).

[Agnosticsherbet]

18. I will believe when it happens. Most, if not all, voted to shut it down and defend or repeal the ACA

They have voted for every (Anything but Obama) bill to come down the pike.

I won't hold my breath.

[blkmusclmachine]

12. Time to fight the terrorists @ home = the GOPee

[DallasNE]

13. This Has Been Apparent For Weeks

That the GOP was going to go for twofer's and wreck not just our economy but also the world economy by letting both hit at the same time -- just to nullify the 2012 election and stab Obamacare in the back. What is crazy about the debt ceiling is that it first came about when isolationist Republicans wrote this law to limit the dollar amount of war bonds Woodrow Wilson could issue to finance WW I. (Yes, we paid for our wars back then). When the war ended it was modified to apply to all government borrowing. It has never been used for a constructive purpose and started with Republicans putting a gun to the head of Woodrow Wilson and is being used today by Republicans to put a gun to the head of Barack Obama. Some things change slowly.

Because so many government employees are not getting paid and other funding is sharply curtailed the debt limit will occur later than October 17th, perhaps as late as early December so will Republicans continue to keep the government shut down that long? I'm sure lawyers are scouring the Constitution for a clause that will allow Obama to fund the government at current levels until Congress approves new spending much as Bush lawyers scoured the Constitution for ways to establish military tribunals as a way around waterboarding related problems in a US criminal court system. I would not hope for this but a President must act and he has broad authority to protect the nation from all enemies, foreign or domestic regardless of weapon.

Right now the words of wisdom from Benjamin Franklin come into play. A lady asked Dr. Franklin “Well Doctor what have we got, a republic or a monarchy.” Franklin replied, “A republic . . . if you can keep it.” Today and the Civil War are the only two times this has been seriously challenged. One was over a worthy cause and this one is over sheer stupidity born out of arrogance and hubris.

[summerschild]

14. There may be those who believe they will ride this to the edge, and then jump off,

but I'm betting there's at least 20 who plan to take us all the way into default.

They would like an impeachment, but they would prefer a coup.


edit: reword title

[Orsino]

19. Therefore it won't.

That was easy.

[Bandit]

20. In 1995 it lasted for 28 days and Republicans ended up with complete blame

Some people learn absolutely nothing from history.