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SomeGuyInEagan

(1,515 posts)
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:33 PM Oct 2013

Crystal Sugar pays off $46.6 million government loan with sugar

Source: Minneapolis Star Tribune

The move likely will cost taxpayers tens of millions of dollars as the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) tries to unload the sugar in a market where supply far exceeds demand. Because of the government shutdown, it was not clear how many other companies across the country paid back loans in sugar instead of dollars.

American Crystal’s decision came a day after the government announced that it had lost $53.3 million buying sugar from companies across the country and selling it to biofuel producers. The $53.3 million loss was considered necessary to limit the amount of sugar borrowers would use to pay back loans.

All the moves have focused a harsh glare on the country’s complex and controversial sugar support program, which protects producers and refiners by limiting imports and and letting companies repay federal loans with sugar when prices dip below certain levels.

The program’s supporters have pushed it as operating “at no cost to taxpayers.” But this fiscal year taxpayers appear to be on the hook for more than $100 million due to a combination of government buy-backs and forfeitures.

Read more: http://www.startribune.com/business/226011811.html

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Crystal Sugar pays off $46.6 million government loan with sugar (Original Post) SomeGuyInEagan Oct 2013 OP
“at no cost to taxpayers.” - should be the first indication you are being lied to about a corporate PoliticAverse Oct 2013 #1
Canary in the coal mine, so to speak AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #13
A program that dates back to the 1930s frazzled Oct 2013 #2
I'm reminded of the scene in "THEM!"... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2013 #3
Of course there is. US Sugar companies donate to those who will keep the sugar subsidies. SharonAnn Oct 2013 #9
I forgot, producers of corn syrup also donate to those who'd keep subsidies and price support SharonAnn Oct 2013 #10
Top it off with working conditions in the suger cane fields: hedgehog Oct 2013 #22
Well, that's pretty sweet mindwalker_i Oct 2013 #4
You are a bad person telclaven Oct 2013 #35
Time to end it pscot Oct 2013 #5
More corporate welfare. nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2013 #6
Anyway we can start Cryptoad Oct 2013 #7
Oh Cripes, we don't need them jacked up any more than they already are ... Myrina Oct 2013 #18
Sorry Cryptoad Oct 2013 #21
Aren't you awful. I was thinking the exact same thing, though. LOL! freshwest Oct 2013 #31
Well...considering that they're more like Confederates than federalists... jmowreader Oct 2013 #24
Scab sugar reddread Oct 2013 #8
Who the hell came up with this stupid idea? blackspade Oct 2013 #11
Well fuck, I'm hitting the bank tomorrow with a basket of tomatoes! NickB79 Oct 2013 #12
And if they don't accept them 'maters, you can always 'hit' the loan officer with them..... marble falls Oct 2013 #15
Big sugar is a welfare queen. marble falls Oct 2013 #14
+1 burnsei sensei Oct 2013 #32
Big Sugar is twice damned. marble falls Oct 2013 #36
For Union Members, Defeat at Crystal Sugar Anything But Sweet Omaha Steve Oct 2013 #16
They should be ordered to pay their Exec's in sugar as well. Myrina Oct 2013 #19
Since when is it legal to pay debts to the Federal Government with a commodity? Volaris Oct 2013 #17
Don't believe that's the case. The Whiskey Rebellion was about an excise tax placed on farmers who 24601 Oct 2013 #20
I think it's always been legal for the Feds to accept payment in commodities jmowreader Oct 2013 #25
We should make ethanol with it KamaAina Oct 2013 #23
"Sweet". Historic NY Oct 2013 #26
ELIMINATE ALL AGRO SUBSIDIES IN ALL FORMS! Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #27
AT the *VERY* least, limit subsidies to things that make Americans sicker XemaSab Oct 2013 #28
No excuse for not dumping them immediately. Judi Lynn Oct 2013 #30
The farm bill went down to defeat in the Rethug controlled house. Dawson Leery Oct 2013 #34
K&R! Cha Oct 2013 #29
disgusting and whoever supports this program should be hounded in next election wordpix Oct 2013 #33
First you get the sugar, then you get the power and then you get the women AngryAmish Oct 2013 #37
Good find! Quantess Oct 2013 #38

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. “at no cost to taxpayers.” - should be the first indication you are being lied to about a corporate
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:42 PM
Oct 2013

welfare program.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
2. A program that dates back to the 1930s
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:49 PM
Oct 2013

Maybe it's time to change that? It might have made some sense in the Depression era, but not in the NAFTA era.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
3. I'm reminded of the scene in "THEM!"...
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 03:59 PM
Oct 2013

"What sense does that make? ls sugar rare cargo? ls there a black market for it? Did you ever hear of a fence for hot sugar?"

Apparently, yes,....the US Government.

I'd love to hear there was a campaign contribution in this deal.

SharonAnn

(13,775 posts)
9. Of course there is. US Sugar companies donate to those who will keep the sugar subsidies.
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:22 PM
Oct 2013

Otherwise, the price of sugar would fall and the sugar oligarchs couldn't make millions off gov't subsidies (and drain/pollute the FL aquifer.

SharonAnn

(13,775 posts)
10. I forgot, producers of corn syrup also donate to those who'd keep subsidies and price support
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:24 PM
Oct 2013

Otherwise, sugar would be cheaper than high-fructose corn syrup.

It's an interesting oddity in "money makes strange bedfellows".

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
18. Oh Cripes, we don't need them jacked up any more than they already are ...
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 09:39 AM
Oct 2013

... can you imagine someone like Cruz or Bachmann on an induced sugar buzz while they're spewing their nonsensa-babble?


jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
24. Well...considering that they're more like Confederates than federalists...
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 10:00 PM
Oct 2013

I'd much prefer to pay them in bales of tobacco.

NickB79

(19,243 posts)
12. Well fuck, I'm hitting the bank tomorrow with a basket of tomatoes!
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 05:28 PM
Oct 2013

"Yeah, my mortgage loan payment is due, and I'd like to pay it with vegetables from my garden. Say, can I get some change for this rutabaga?"

marble falls

(57,093 posts)
15. And if they don't accept them 'maters, you can always 'hit' the loan officer with them.....
Tue Oct 1, 2013, 08:59 PM
Oct 2013

when life gives you tomatoes - make marinara I always say.

burnsei sensei

(1,820 posts)
32. +1
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:26 AM
Oct 2013

the great untold story of the last century and this.
Refined sugar is poison in large amounts, for people and the body politic.

Omaha Steve

(99,639 posts)
16. For Union Members, Defeat at Crystal Sugar Anything But Sweet
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 06:32 AM
Oct 2013

Tell them we want CASH!!!

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/15553/for_union_members_crystal_sugar_lockout_outcome_anything_but_sweet/

Tuesday Sep 3, 2013 6:15 pm

By Mike Elk



For 22 months, workers were locked out of employment at American Crystal Sugar plants like this one in East Grand Forks, Minn. (GFPeck / Flickr / Creative Commons)


When workers in a labor struggle are forced to agree to major concessions, labor leaders and allies often find ways to recast the defeat as a long-term victory. Often, they say that losing a tough fight opened up workers’ eyes to the lengths they must go to in order to win the next one.

In 2011, for instance, labor circles widely celebrated the massive Wisconsin protests of Governor Scott Walker’s anti-union bill, which stripped public employees of collective bargaining rights and forced unions to give massive concessions in terms of wages and benefits. Still, many felt that Wisconsin was a turning point because it inspired unions to fight back in ways previously thought unimaginable—the crowds of protesters, numbering nearly 100,000, continuously occupied the Capitol for three weeks. Even after labor lost its bid to recall Walker, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka declared, “We wanted a different outcome, but Wisconsin forced the governor to answer for his efforts to divide the state and punish hardworking people. Their resolve has inspired a nation to follow their lead and stand up for the values of hard work, unity and decency that we believe in.”

No matter what was given up at the bargaining table—even if the bargaining table was thrown out the window—rarely will a labor leader come out and say that a loss was a bad one, or that mistakes were made. Labor leaders, after all, are subject to the same fear of mistakes jeopardizing their next campaign as other elected officials. And for the workers, there’s basic human psychology at hand: People like to see that their struggles weren't for nothing.

But while spinning defeat into quasi-victory may make activists feel better, do massive losses really inspire future efforts? After one such setback in the Red River Valley, which spans the border between North Dakota and Minnesota, union activists are wrestling with this question.

When the cross-country Solidarity of Summer labor tour stopped last Saturday in Moorhead, Minn., the talk among local labor activists was of the 22-month lockout of sugar workers, which ended in April with a bitter loss. After contract negotiations went sour in 2011, Crystal Sugar locked out 1,300 workers—members of the Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers, and Grain Millers (BCTGM) union—at five plants in Minnesota, Iowa and North Dakota. For nearly two years, the workers held out, turning down the contract, which they felt was concessionary, in four separate votes.

FULL story at link.

Volaris

(10,271 posts)
17. Since when is it legal to pay debts to the Federal Government with a commodity?
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 07:36 AM
Oct 2013

Isn't that why President WASHINGTON had to go to Pennsylvania and stomp the snot out of the Whiskey Rebellion?

24601

(3,962 posts)
20. Don't believe that's the case. The Whiskey Rebellion was about an excise tax placed on farmers who
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 10:43 AM
Oct 2013

had converted their excess grain & corn to whiskey and were using that to barter. There's no record that suggests anyone was trying to use the whiskey itself to pay debt to the government.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
25. I think it's always been legal for the Feds to accept payment in commodities
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 10:03 PM
Oct 2013

It is a power prohibited to the states by Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution: no state shall make anything but gold or silver coin a tender in payment of debts. But the feds have no similar prohibition.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
23. We should make ethanol with it
Wed Oct 2, 2013, 12:59 PM
Oct 2013

I would hate to see mountains of government sugar being given away to the poor like the infamous government cheese. So would Michelle Obama.

Meanwhile, a staggering 40 percent of our corn crop goes for ethanol, not to mention a sizable chunk for high-fructose corn syrup. That drives up the price of corn, helping U.S. farmers but hurting poor people in places like Mexico.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
28. AT the *VERY* least, limit subsidies to things that make Americans sicker
Sat Oct 5, 2013, 10:17 PM
Oct 2013

I'm looking at you, tobacco.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
34. The farm bill went down to defeat in the Rethug controlled house.
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 02:20 PM
Oct 2013

The most obsurd aspect of the farm bill is paying farmers not to produce (which means they are not farmers).

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
33. disgusting and whoever supports this program should be hounded in next election
Sun Oct 6, 2013, 10:29 AM
Oct 2013

"No cost to taxpayers" my ass

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