Senate clears bill to pay military in shutdown

[Eugene]

Source: Associated Press

AP foreign, Tuesday October 1 2013

ANDREW TAYLOR

Associated Press= WASHINGTON (AP) - The Senate has adopted a bill to pay members of the military in case the government shuts down.

The unanimous voice vote Monday sends the legislation to the White House for President Barack Obama's signature.

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The House passed the legislation early Sunday morning.


Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/world/feedarticle/10998291

[Deep13]

1. Well, that was predictable.

Gotta keep the war machine running.

[Llewlladdwr]

4. Geez dude, can't you just be happy that at least they're getting paid?

Military members have spouses and children to feed just like civilians do.

Try hating less...

[Deep13]

10. So do civilian employees. So do dependants of Federal programs.

If the military is paid, the Rs have no reason at all to avoid a shut down. So no, not happy the fascists have won again.

[Llewlladdwr]

13. I'm well aware of that. I'm one of those civilians who'll be furloughed tomorrow.

I'm considering just exactly how I'm going to make my mortgage and groceries if this drags out very long. What I won't do though, is hate on those Military members or other Federal employees who are going to continue being paid through the shutdown. I don't see that as a win for the "fascists".

[questionseverything]

19. both house and senate want to be

seen as supporting the military

baby formula (wic) not so much

the market will get the repubs back at table,,,that and chamber of commerce is already angry with them

[gopiscrap]

26. yup sadly I agree with you

[PatrynXX]

31. Gee well if we listened to you we'd lose

not about to look heartless

[Deep13]

38. How do you figure?

And why is the appearance of heartlessness so bad? Shouldn't the appearance reflect the emotional reality? Put another way, how much effort are we supposed to into our constructed identities? And just how much do you think my appearance of an a particular emotional state will effect national politics?

Gawd, what a revealing post.

[Suich]

2. Thanks!

I was just wondering about that. Couldn't figure out how you could furlough a soldier on active duty.

[mindwalker_i]

3. So is this all millitary, or just those overseas?

It would be pretty bad to not pay the dudes that got sent far away, but if this pays all millitary, that kind of annoys me. Here we are with one party deep into the crack pipe, messing up the whole country if not the world, so one way or another we can't spend money on program to help people. But by God no matter what the fuck happens, the millitary gets paid! Does this include contractors? Does this include the order for more tanks as per the Daily SHow segment with Al Madrigal in "Tanks, tanks, tanks?"

At the end of the day, it's the taxpayers forking over the dough like a whorish ATM to pay the millitary, so keeping us alive and able to pay taxes just makes good sense. Blowing up your ATM is generally a bad idea.

[Llewlladdwr]

6. All active duty military, I believe.

Lots of DoD civilians like me will be getting furloughed. Contractors will depend on where the money that funds the contract comes from. My understanding is the shutdown will not affect anyone who's position is funded from non-appropriated funds.

[tammywammy]

8. All active duty and some contractors & civilians

THE ARMED FORCES.
5 (a) IN GENERAL.—There are hereby appropriated for
6 fiscal year 2014, out of any money in the Treasury not
7 otherwise appropriated, for any period during which
interim or full-year appropriations for fiscal year 2014 are
9 not in effect—

10 (1) such sums as are necessary to provide pay
11 and allowances to members of the Armed Forces (as
12 defined in section 101(a)(4) of title 10, United
13 States Code), including reserve components thereof,
14 who perform active service during such period;

15 (2) such sums as are necessary to provide pay
16 and allowances to the civilian personnel of the
Department of Defense (and the Department of
Homeland Security in the case of the Coast Guard) whom
19 the Secretary concerned determines are providing
20 support to members of the Armed Forces described
21 in paragraph (1); and

22 (3) such sums as are necessary to provide pay
23 and allowances to contractors of the Department of
24 Defense (and the Department of Homeland Security
25 in the case of the Coast Guard) whom the Secretary
26 concerned determines are providing support to members
1 of the Armed Forces described in paragraph (1)

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113hr3210eh/pdf/BILLS-113hr3210eh.pdf

[sarge43]

11. Their food stamp alotment was cut

That should more than cover that tank. But if that doesn't satisfy, guess the kids of stateside dudes and dudettes can just go hungry. That will certainly ensure no more tanks are built.

Clue phone: The gov't does not supply free food to the families of military personnel.

[legcramp]

5. NO COMPROMISE!! President Obama needs to VETO this bill.

He needs to show resolve and hammer home the seriousness of the situation. This was a repub idea Sunday night in the 1st place.

No exemptions.

[BumRushDaShow]

9. More than enough to override a veto.

As I understand, it's limited in scope.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

21. Great idea.

A Democratic President vetoes paying the military and you can kiss 2016 goodbye.

[muntrv]

7. Here's one area they could cut.

http://action.usaction.org/p/salsa/web/common/public/content?content_item_KEY=8808

[DCBob]

12. This is fine.. now pass another bill to pay the rest of the Fed Gov workers.

[dkf]

28. If they do it the same as last time they will get back pay for time off.

[tammywammy]

32. Back pay isn't guaranteed.

The House could reject that too.

[dkf]

33. Of course. As I said "if" they do what they did in the past.

[blkmusclmachine]

14. Meanwhile, Obama Appoints Another Romney Advisor to Social Security Commission:

http://swampland.time.com/2013/09/30/obama-picks-romney-aide-who-knocked-his-social-security-plan-for-social-security-board/

[RC]

22. And there are people here that just can not seem to find any problem with Obama?

I'm thinking Obama appointing Republicans is in itself contributing to the current problem.
But when you point it out around here, they either ignore you or get upset because you hate Obama, which they think is irrational because Obama has a (D) by his name, so therefor can do no wrong.
Yeah, it's irrational alright, but what is irrational is Obama's appointments, not the criticism of them.

[brer cat]

24. You might want to read a little more before bashing Obama for this pick.

From WaPo:

"The board is independent and its membership is bipartisan. Although the president nominates members, the nominees alternate between the political parties. This vacancy was for a Republican member, a White House aide explained, and Chen was actually the pick of Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.). "

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110217348

[BlueToTheBone]

15. Like this is all that matters.

What about the little children who go to sleep hungry, wake up hungry and then get sick?

[Phlem]

17. yep.

people seem to miss that and families on the brink. It's all "the president is a Republican, No he's not, he's doing what he needs to do to win at 7th dimension chess.

Nothing about children, families, people who have been suffering this whole time, with things getting even worse for them, here in the fucking USA.

fuck.



-p

[KewlKat]

16. The Active Duty and civilians and contractors that are supporting the active duty

would appear they'll get paid. I'm happy for them. Now let's hope the Gropers pass a bill for the rest of us that won't be getting paid after midnight. If being furloughed do to the automatic cuts that kicked in wasn't bad enough, this will surely finish some of my coworkers off financially. Three years of no cost of living and no award incentives beginning tomorrow for FY14....well, I regret giving 27 yrs of my life to Uncle. Another fight for the debt ceiling coming, then another CR.....it never ends.

[MyNameGoesHere]

18. Grrrr.

Shut that shit down too.

[Rebl]

20. The President

Should only sign it if there is a stipulation that members of congress do not get their pay checks.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

23. As someone from a military family.

I support this. I am anti war 99.5% of the time and probably one of the furthest left leaning posters on this board.

I also have a sister with two kids and a husband in the Army who live paycheck to paycheck. 1,800 dollars a month is already hard enough to get by on.



From a political standpoint if you think Obama vetoing paychecks for troops would be beneficial you're fucking insane.

[Labrat0116]

25. Military Retiree ? Vet Disability ? VA worker ? Get Paid ??

What about Military Retiree and Veteran Disability pay ? Anything thing on those yet ??

Also what about workers at the VA ?

[gopiscrap]

29. welcome to DU

[gopiscrap]

35. welcome DU

[CountAllVotes]

27. Glad to see they have their priorities straight

They know who their cannon fodder is and it sure as hell is not a single one of them. Oh no, we can't have that now can we?

[cprise]

34. Yes, always make sure the ones holding the guns are on your side. n/t

[cprise]

36. ...and those who SPY on all of us, of course.

Spying on your own country = job security.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

30. Time to hide behind the flag.

The rest of you government employees (that doesn't include law enforcement, embassy staff or prison guards) can go fuck yourselves, according to the GOP.

[NCagainstMcCrony]

37. Not surprised

This clearly sums up what America has degenerated into.

Can't feed the hungry or the old or the weak.
Can't pay for education.
Can't have the rabble visit the doctor without losing everything

But, damn sure gotta keep the misery machine well funded.

The world will not miss us when we're gone.