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Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 03:19 PM Sep 2013

Poachers poison 90 elephants with cyanide in Zimbabwe wildlife park

Source: NBCnews.com

By Henry Austin, NBC News contributor

Almost 90 elephants have been slaughtered by poachers who poisoned them with industrial cyanide, authorities in Zimbabwe said Wednesday.

Rangers in the Hwange National Park discovered the carcasses of more than 40 of the gentle giants earlier this month and they continue to find bodies in recent weeks.

Park spokesperson Caroline Washaya-Moyo told NBC News that 87 corpses had been found so far, all with their tusks removed.

“Industrial cyanide used in gold mining was put in remote water holes and on salty ground that the elephants like to lick after drinking the water,” she said. “The poison was killing them and they were taking the tusks.”

She added that smaller animals, vultures and predators feeding on the dead animals had also died as a result of the poison, adding that they feared more elephant victims would be found in the park, around 450 miles west of the country's capital, Harare.

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Read more: http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/09/25/20689560-poachers-poison-90-elephants-with-cyanide-in-zimbabwe-wildlife-park?lite



Just too disgusting for words.
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Poachers poison 90 elephants with cyanide in Zimbabwe wildlife park (Original Post) Fuddnik Sep 2013 OP
If there was ever a species that deserved to go extinct GliderGuider Sep 2013 #1
Yup. FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #3
+1000 nt Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #5
Just think how bountiful this world would be if man had never been born. Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #38
I agree 100%. complain jane Sep 2013 #44
Beyond sad. Scuba Sep 2013 #2
all that for tusks? Beaverhausen Sep 2013 #4
Just like shark fins and rhino horns.... Blue_Tires Sep 2013 #25
In some wildlife parks, they just hire mercenaries to shoot every poacher on sight. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #6
Violence does solve problems The2ndWheel Sep 2013 #8
have to say..... dhill926 Sep 2013 #9
It's sad that desperate measures have to be considered, but closeupready Sep 2013 #12
Especially in rhino preserves. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #13
South Africa, IIRC sir pball Sep 2013 #18
so you are promoting machine gunning Blacks just like White SA's did during the apartheid era? azurnoir Sep 2013 #54
If the POACHERS happen to be black, sure. sir pball Sep 2013 #59
No I do not support poaching however azurnoir Sep 2013 #60
I'm comfortable with that approach. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #21
I agree with all of you. But I'm curious, do all of you also support the death penalty here? 7962 Sep 2013 #35
Given the choice between some poachers and the entire species they're bent on destroying? Sure. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #37
OMG Autumn Colors Sep 2013 #7
DEATH PENALTY FOR POACHING. DEATH PENALTY FOR POACHING. zonkers Sep 2013 #10
Perhaps you should take a look at the economic conditions in Zimbabwe azurnoir Sep 2013 #23
If they want to shoot something because they're poor, let them shoot the corrupt bastards in charge. Nihil Sep 2013 #48
You have not a clue what you are talking about oberliner Sep 2013 #49
yes the poaching synicate bosses not the poachers themselves same as with any crime organization azurnoir Sep 2013 #50
Can you confess that you are ignorant about this topic? oberliner Sep 2013 #52
do you have proof that the poachers themselves the ones actually physically out in the field azurnoir Sep 2013 #53
So you don't know anything about this subject outside of Wikipedia? oberliner Sep 2013 #55
again do you have proof of your claims? azurnoir Sep 2013 #56
My central claim is that you don't know what you are talking about oberliner Sep 2013 #57
In a country with 80+% unemployment it is hardly fantasic to claim that some would azurnoir Sep 2013 #58
You mean to tell me in this day of GPS and electronic tagging, authorities cannot track and protect zonkers Sep 2013 #11
You can protect a herd, but every piece of salt or watering hole? geek tragedy Sep 2013 #14
Tragedy. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #15
Rue the day, we will. Aldo Leopold Sep 2013 #16
I still can't understand why the Zimbabwean government cannot do something to stop this. The Stranger Sep 2013 #17
Because the government is still Robert Mugabe nt geek tragedy Sep 2013 #19
Look at who's managing(sic) the country. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2013 #22
Zimbabwe poachers jailed 15 years for elephant poisoning azurnoir Sep 2013 #20
While in prison let them drink only water from the poisoned watering holes. Owl Sep 2013 #30
well please take a look at post #23 azurnoir Sep 2013 #32
That is horrible... jimlup Sep 2013 #24
Who is still buying ivory? Stop the demand, put the people to work farming or whatever works. freshwest Sep 2013 #26
China. Lasher Sep 2013 #34
Thanks. Truly horrible and a waste. No chance of them agreeing to stop it, huh... freshwest Sep 2013 #42
No, they won't stop voluntarily. Lasher Sep 2013 #43
Just THINK of how much that very last elephant will be worth! dougolat Sep 2013 #46
Yes, put the buyers in jail. nt Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #39
What a bunch of barbarians windsormich19454 Sep 2013 #27
+1, I agree. uppityperson Sep 2013 #33
There. Are. No. Words. No words. Emit Sep 2013 #28
ditto dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #29
I say to hell with a lengthy prison sentence... Earth_First Sep 2013 #31
Can they live without their tusks? And rhinos? 7962 Sep 2013 #36
That was exactly what I was thinking. You beat me to it. Herd them up, tranquilize the and cut. freshwest Sep 2013 #41
I think, in the near future... krispos42 Sep 2013 #51
I just don't have enough outrage left for this. Deep13 Sep 2013 #40
How do you go through life complain jane Sep 2013 #45
Human progress comes at a cost The2ndWheel Sep 2013 #47
As long as people are willing to pay vast sums for elephant ivory, this will go on. bklyncowgirl Sep 2013 #61

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
38. Just think how bountiful this world would be if man had never been born.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 11:04 PM
Sep 2013

Or cease to exixt in the near future. Maybe there would be hope for Mother earth.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. In some wildlife parks, they just hire mercenaries to shoot every poacher on sight.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 03:33 PM
Sep 2013

Gotta say, that seems like the right way of doing things--we're talking about preserving species here.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
8. Violence does solve problems
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 03:45 PM
Sep 2013

Might does sometimes make right. Well, usually.

But, you gotta do what you gotta do. Sometimes people want the tusks of animals. Sometimes people want the land other animals live on, and kill them off. Or stick them in a cage somewhere so that we can at least feel like we're saving or preserving them. Or we'll call them pests, even though they're just looking for food.

Weird world we live in sometimes.

dhill926

(16,339 posts)
9. have to say.....
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 03:45 PM
Sep 2013

I agree. This has simply gone too far. Perhaps there's a better way, but nothing seems to be working. Of course changing the behavior of folks who use the tusks will help, but this is urgent.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
12. It's sad that desperate measures have to be considered, but
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 04:39 PM
Sep 2013

I suppose things are getting that desperate.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
13. Especially in rhino preserves.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 04:42 PM
Sep 2013

This is third hand, but apparently the pay is EXTREMELY high for the mercs they hire, but the guys have to take extended periods off because they wind up shooting so many people that it becomes psychologically impossible to bear, even for professional mercs.


sir pball

(4,742 posts)
18. South Africa, IIRC
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 05:05 PM
Sep 2013

Started doing it in the late 70s/early 80s I think. Machine-gunning from helos and the like. Apparently it works pretty well, I'm perfectly comfortable with it.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
54. so you are promoting machine gunning Blacks just like White SA's did during the apartheid era?
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 01:38 PM
Sep 2013

it boogles really it does

sir pball

(4,742 posts)
59. If the POACHERS happen to be black, sure.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 03:20 PM
Sep 2013

Or Asian, Latino, White, or any other color. I suspect the Zimbabwean military who should be slaughtering these price isn't exactly a lily-white group anyway.

Or do you support elephant poaching?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
60. No I do not support poaching however
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 03:32 PM
Sep 2013

I also do not support machine gunning humans either I guess that's how we're different

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
35. I agree with all of you. But I'm curious, do all of you also support the death penalty here?
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 10:34 PM
Sep 2013

For the murderers? Because I do, in the right cases.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
37. Given the choice between some poachers and the entire species they're bent on destroying? Sure. (nt)
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 10:38 PM
Sep 2013

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
23. Perhaps you should take a look at the economic conditions in Zimbabwe
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 05:16 PM
Sep 2013

before wishing death on poachers, in Zimbabwe there is something like 80-94% unemployment

eta I'm not approving of poaching however something should done to remedy the economic conditions that lead to some choosing this as a means of income, I'll wager for more than a few it's poaching or letting their families starve

this and most articles I've read on the subject leave that detail out

Current economic conditions

Since 2000 the Zimbabwean government has taken most of the farmland previously used by commercial farmers (mostly white) and reallocated it. Due to bad publicity claiming that most of this land reform happened in a corrupt way and land went to politicians from ZANU-PF, military leaders or leaders in the police forces who account to less than 1,000 individuals, actually more than 100,000 blacks were resettled on land which was previously owned by few whites. These new farmers were usually inexperienced or uninterested in farming, and could not maintain the intensive, industrialized farming of the previous owners. Short term gains were often made by selling the farms equipment. The loss of agricultural expertise also triggered a loss of agricultural financing and market confidence which made recovery almost impossible. A considerable amount of this land has however gone to local people who use it mainly for subsistence farming. Therefore production of staple food, such as maize has not suffered as much as typical export crops, such as tobacco or coffee.[11] Zimbabwe has sustained the 30th occurrence of hyperinflation ever recorded in world history.[12] The previously large exports of tobacco, cotton, soya and horticultural produce have consequently reduced dramatically and the income derived from them lost to the national economy.

Government spending is 97.8% of GDP. It has partly been financed by printing money, which has led to hyperinflation. State enterprises are strongly subsidized, taxes and tariffs are high. State regulation is costly to companies, starting or closing a business is slow and costly.[13] Labor market is highly regulated, hiring a worker is cumbersome, firing a worker is difficult and unemployment has risen to 94% (at the end of 2008; the figure was 80% in 2005)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Zimbabwe something like 80-94% unemployment



 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
48. If they want to shoot something because they're poor, let them shoot the corrupt bastards in charge.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 08:41 AM
Sep 2013

Fuck 'em. They wanted Mugabe, they got him.

That is no excuse for wholesale slaughter like this (or like the limp-dicked "hunter"
who slaughtered an elephant in the other LBN thread).

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
49. You have not a clue what you are talking about
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 08:42 AM
Sep 2013

"I'll wager for more than a few it's poaching or letting their families starve "

Seriously ill-informed remark.

The poaching syndicate is made up of the wealthiest criminals in Zimbabwe.

The Zimbabwe 1 percent, if you will

Expand your research beyond Wikipedia - I implore you.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
50. yes the poaching synicate bosses not the poachers themselves same as with any crime organization
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 12:19 PM
Sep 2013

but thanks your concern is duly noted

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
52. Can you confess that you are ignorant about this topic?
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 01:32 PM
Sep 2013

Do you profess to know anything about it beyond what is in Wikipedia?

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
53. do you have proof that the poachers themselves the ones actually physically out in the field
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 01:34 PM
Sep 2013

are the 1% as you claim? You see in most crime organizations there is a hierarchy the guys at the top get rich, the ones out on the street do not

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
56. again do you have proof of your claims?
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 02:18 PM
Sep 2013

or are you substituting that with attempting to delegitimize what I've said?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
57. My central claim is that you don't know what you are talking about
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 02:24 PM
Sep 2013

And that the totality of your knowledge on the subject comes from what you read on Wikipedia and a few articles online.

Sadly, that is a claim that I would be unable to authenticate, unless you'd like to confess to the charge.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
58. In a country with 80+% unemployment it is hardly fantasic to claim that some would
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 02:30 PM
Sep 2013

turn to criminal activity to support their families aqnd I'm not confessing to anything as I have committed no crime here other than pointing out the logical

 

zonkers

(5,865 posts)
11. You mean to tell me in this day of GPS and electronic tagging, authorities cannot track and protect
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 03:59 PM
Sep 2013

herds?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
14. You can protect a herd, but every piece of salt or watering hole?
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 04:42 PM
Sep 2013

Zimbabwe doesn't have a lot of resources.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
17. I still can't understand why the Zimbabwean government cannot do something to stop this.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 05:00 PM
Sep 2013

This is their greatest resource, entrusted to them by the world, and it just goes on and on and on.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
20. Zimbabwe poachers jailed 15 years for elephant poisoning
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 05:11 PM
Sep 2013

A Zimbabwe court on Wednesday sentenced three poachers to at least 15 years in prison each for poisoning and killing 81 elephants, state radio reported.

A provincial magistrate sentenced 25-year-old Diyane Tshuma to 16 years in prison for poisoning elephants with cyanide at in Hwange National Park, in the west of Zimbabwe, Spot FM reported.

His co-accused Robert Maphosa, 42, and Thabani Zondo, 24, were each sentenced to 15 years.

.......................................

Tshuma was ordered to pay $600,000 (440,000 euro) to the Zimbabwe Wildlife and Parks Authority for killing the animals, while Zondo must pay $200,000 by the end of the year.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jDF_zfxLJj2RHQlTYcfMzjTq0Oqg?docId=371ec24e-9101-4922-af29-47e788e4c665

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
32. well please take a look at post #23
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 08:15 PM
Sep 2013

I'[m not all too sure poaching is a first career choice in Zimbabwe

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
24. That is horrible...
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:00 PM
Sep 2013

If you think of all of the planet's species and the small number of wild elephants this is a very very grave crime.

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
43. No, they won't stop voluntarily.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 12:05 AM
Sep 2013

As a matter of fact they were just set loose by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora CITES).

The rise of China and the modern poaching crisis

To many conservationists with knowledge of China and its failure to control trade in tiger parts, bear parts, rhinoceros horn and a range of endangered and vulnerable CITES listed species, it seemed unlikely that China would be given "buyer approved" status for ivory. This is because that status would be based on China's ability to regulate and control its trade. To demonstrate the lack of ivory controls in China, the EIA leaked an internal Chinese document showing how 121 tonnes of ivory from its own official stockpile, (equivalent to the tusks from 11,000 elephants), could not be accounted for, a Chinese official admitting "this suggests a large amount of illegal sale of the ivory stockpile has taken place." However, a CITES mission recommended that CITES approve China's request, and this was supported by WWF and TRAFFIC. China gained its "approved" status at a meeting of the CITES Standing Committee on 15 July 2008.

China and Japan bought 108 tonnes of ivory in another "one-off" sale in November 2008 from Botswana, South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe. At the time the idea was that these legal ivory sales may depress the price, thereby removing poaching pressure, an idea supported by both TRAFFIC and WWF.

China's increased involvement in infrastructure projects in Africa and the purchase of natural resources has alarmed many conservationists who fear the extraction of wildlife body parts is increasing. Since China was given "approved buyer" status by CITES, the smuggling of ivory seems to have increased alarmingly. Although, WWF and TRAFFIC who supported the China sale, describe the increase in illegal ivory trade a possible "coincidence", others are less cautious. Chinese nationals working in Africa have been caught smuggling ivory in many African countries, with at least ten arrested at Kenyan airports in 2009. In many African countries domestic markets have grown, providing easy access to ivory, although the Asian ivory syndicates are most destructive buying and shipping tonnes at a time.

Contrary to the advice of CITES that prices may be depressed, and those that supported the sale of stockpiles in 2008, the price of ivory in China has greatly increased. Some believe this may be due to deliberate price fixing by those who bought the stockpile, echoing the warnings from the Japan Wildlife Conservation Society on price-fixing after sales to Japan in 1997, and monopoly given to traders who bought stockpiles from Burundi and Singapore in the 1980s. It may also be due to the exploding number of Chinese able to purchase luxury goods.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivory_trade#The_rise_of_China_and_the_modern_poaching_crisis
 
27. What a bunch of barbarians
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 07:21 PM
Sep 2013

If there is a hell, then these poachers are the ones who deserve to go there. Utter lowlifes.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
31. I say to hell with a lengthy prison sentence...
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 07:47 PM
Sep 2013

Drive them out into the park, break their fucking legs, and push them off the back of the pickup truck.

Nature will figure it out...

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
36. Can they live without their tusks? And rhinos?
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 10:36 PM
Sep 2013

If so, why not take them before poachers can get to them?

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
41. That was exactly what I was thinking. You beat me to it. Herd them up, tranquilize the and cut.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 11:46 PM
Sep 2013
This is sick, it's insane.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
51. I think, in the near future...
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 12:30 PM
Sep 2013

...we'll be able to grow elephant tusks in a lab.

Genetic engineering of whatever cellular structure in an elephant makes the tusks, but in a petri dish. Feed it nutrients, watch it grow a tusk, then harvest it when it gets big enough or whatever.


I think eventually, farms will become obsolescent, as we'll be able to clone specific parts of a relative handful of especially tasty animals en masse, supplementing and eventually replacing traditionally raised and slaughtered livestock.

Imagine industrial laboratories growing specific cuts of meat in a sterile enviroment... no antibiotics or disease, no pain or suffering of the animal because there's no nervous system or brain.

We could then even humanely bring back mink and fox fur, because the fur would just be grown... no muscle or skeleton or other flesh to waste to get the fur.


And then maybe we'll leave the fucking elephants alone.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
40. I just don't have enough outrage left for this.
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 11:45 PM
Sep 2013

Sorry. I doubt the species can ever recover from that. I hope those people get stuck in burning cars.

complain jane

(4,302 posts)
45. How do you go through life
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 01:05 AM
Sep 2013

as a selfish, self-serving, disgusting enough human being as to inflict this on innocent creatures?

Innocent creatures who apparently think and feel far more deeply than the cancers that did these unspeakable acts.

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
61. As long as people are willing to pay vast sums for elephant ivory, this will go on.
Thu Sep 26, 2013, 03:49 PM
Sep 2013

Unfortunately, for the nouveau riche in some Asian countries Ivory is a huge status symbol. The only way to save the elephants is to take away the demand. Unfortunately I'm not sure how you do that with so many countries with very different ideas on conservation and the responsibility of the individual regarding endangered species and a desperately poor population in the parts of the world where elephants live.

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