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Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 11:12 PM Sep 2013

Navy Yard gunman began by shooting people he worked with, investigators and witnesses say

Source: Washington Post

The gunman who killed 12 people at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday began his rampage by heading directly to the fourth floor and shooting people who worked with him, and authorities are investigating whether a workplace issue sparked the killings, according to law enforcement officials and witness accounts.

People in the department where Aaron Alexis was working had concerns about his job performance, and investigators are looking into whether those concerns escalated last week, the officials said.

He was not doing a very good job, and somebody told him that there was a problem,” one law enforcement official said. “Our belief is that the people who were shot first were people he had issues with where he worked, people he had some sort of a dispute with. After that, it became random. .?.?. After the first shootings in that office, he moved around and shot people he came upon. They were then targets of opportunity.”

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/navy-yard-reopens-but-scene-of-mass-shooting-remains-closed/2013/09/19/387ba03a-2120-11e3-a358-1144dee636dd_story.html

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Navy Yard gunman began by shooting people he worked with, investigators and witnesses say (Original Post) Douglas Carpenter Sep 2013 OP
"whether a workplace issue sparked the killings?" seriously? Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #1
I completely agree Rhiannon12866 Sep 2013 #3
This info helps in confirmation of "cause", not exoneration of anybody. delrem Sep 2013 #4
I don't think he got PTSD by playing with wires one weekend a month mwrguy Sep 2013 #5
I don't think he had PTSD Snake Plissken Sep 2013 #7
"PTSD....waiting to snap" davepc Sep 2013 #11
PTSD can result from childhood abuse ... Wernothelpless Sep 2013 #9
I know mwrguy Sep 2013 #10
Understanding the workplace issue helps understand the mental health issue jeff47 Sep 2013 #8
......... Marrah_G Sep 2013 #2
I saw your earlier post about this and I know you mean that literally starroute Sep 2013 #6

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
1. "whether a workplace issue sparked the killings?" seriously?
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 11:28 PM
Sep 2013

Are they actually wasting their time investigating workplace issues? People get fired everyday and don't comeback to shoot the place up. A mental health issue is what sparked the shooting, but let's just keep pretending the mental health care in this country doesn't suck, so mentally unstable people can continue to purchase fire arms, while we look into these 'workplace issues'.

There is a powder keg of PTSD cases created by two decade long wars just waiting to go off, and 'the officals' act as if we just ignore it everything will just turn out fine.

Rhiannon12866

(205,776 posts)
3. I completely agree
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:06 AM
Sep 2013

From my perspective, the RW is notoriously known for continually ignoring the obvious.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
4. This info helps in confirmation of "cause", not exoneration of anybody.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 12:12 AM
Sep 2013

I don't know what you mean by "a powder keg of PTSD cases created by two decade long wars just waiting to go off". Do you think vets of recent wars are like firecrackers, having no volition but are just waiting for something, anything to come by to light their fuses? That doesn't seem very respectful.

I come from a "frontier" type town in the Canadian outback, born there, where recruits from southern suburbia came to make big bucks by doing hard work, then stayed to build their little fiefdoms - many of which might blow a southerner away. A weird way of comparing such towns was in "bars per person" multiplied by "notoriety of the bar". There were always the assholes who'd return with a baseball bat after being tossed. This wasn't considered a PTSD quotient, that's for sure. Incidents like that were understood along an "asshole quotient" graphic curve, and everybody knew that such an "asshole quotient" graphic curve existed.

People kind of like, made their way on it.

Snake Plissken

(4,103 posts)
7. I don't think he had PTSD
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 04:29 AM
Sep 2013

But there are many others out there with PTSD just waiting to snap, he wasn't mentally stable to begin with, but the Navy already knew that.

davepc

(3,936 posts)
11. "PTSD....waiting to snap"
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 01:37 PM
Sep 2013

Yep, just what we need more bigotry against people with mental health issues.

Wernothelpless

(410 posts)
9. PTSD can result from childhood abuse ...
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 10:47 AM
Sep 2013

we don't know he got it as a reservist ... he may have mentally ill for a very long time ...

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
8. Understanding the workplace issue helps understand the mental health issue
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 10:35 AM
Sep 2013

His mental health issues may have triggered a "poor response" to his workplace issues. Figuring out if that was the trigger is helpful in analyzing his mental health issues - we can't ask him questions, so we have to use what tools we can to figure out what was going on in his mind.

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