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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:34 AM Sep 2013

Assad To Destroy Chemical Weapons 'In A Year'

Source: Yahoo / Sky News

Syrian leader Bashar al Assad has said he is committed to destroying his stockpile of chemical arms - but warned it would take a year to do so.

In an interview with Fox News, Mr Assad said he was committed to getting rid of the arsenal but conceded it would cost at least £600m ($1bn).

And he also challenged America to foot the bill.

"It needs a lot of money, it needs about one billion (US dollars)," he told the US crew at the presidential palace in Damascus.

Read more: http://uk.news.yahoo.com/assad-destroy-chemical-weapons-225806008.html#Ue0z4Ec



Assad: Syria needs one year to destroy chemical weapons

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has said he is committed to a plan to destroy his country's chemical weapons but warned it could take about a year.

Speaking to Fox News, Mr Assad again denied claims that his forces were responsible for a deadly chemical attack near Damascus on 21 August.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24155674
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Assad To Destroy Chemical Weapons 'In A Year' (Original Post) dipsydoodle Sep 2013 OP
Every day that Assad can hold on to power Turbineguy Sep 2013 #1
he does have a point Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #2
Not intended to work like that. dipsydoodle Sep 2013 #3
they probably don't have the technology Niceguy1 Sep 2013 #8
Let the Saudis fund it, they were willing to fund the bombing. morningfog Sep 2013 #4
Even better - Russia and Qatar. Big weapons suppliers, small players in humanitarian aid. pampango Sep 2013 #10
Just a small difference. arewenotdemo Sep 2013 #18
Agreed. Although whether either is moral is another question. n/t pampango Sep 2013 #19
To all the people celebrating that diplomatic solution... jessie04 Sep 2013 #5
Look, a crystal ball! Celefin Sep 2013 #7
Laugh all you want. jessie04 Sep 2013 #23
Not really Celefin Sep 2013 #24
And thank you. jessie04 Sep 2013 #27
The goal of the administration was never a diplomatic solution, it was a PR solution. hughee99 Sep 2013 #32
Compared to a bombing campaign that's probably a bargain Celefin Sep 2013 #6
The USA has a ban on selling weapons to Syria/Iran/NK , let the F-ing salesmen and investors pay Sunlei Sep 2013 #9
"The country that sold the guns gets to clean up the mess" JoeyT Sep 2013 #11
the helicoptors Assad flies, the huge rocket launchers came from someone. Sunlei Sep 2013 #12
So you think the US should pay for everyone we ever armed? JoeyT Sep 2013 #14
could start with today without having to pay for all 300 years of injustices first. Sunlei Sep 2013 #15
Oh right. I forgot that we're special. JoeyT Sep 2013 #17
"Our country has a mandate, Americans are banned from selling to those countries" Nihil Sep 2013 #28
The USA has been training people there for decades. We do have a mandate. Sunlei Sep 2013 #29
Straight out of the North Korean playbook. Daniel537 Sep 2013 #13
The United States began destroying its chemical weapons in 1990. We're still not finished. Xithras Sep 2013 #16
you're being far too reasonable frylock Sep 2013 #20
^^THIS^^ -nt- Celefin Sep 2013 #25
Agreed. My first thought was disbelief, then I realized it's not an easy thing to do the right way stevenleser Sep 2013 #30
Ok sounds good. obxhead Sep 2013 #21
There is a precedent Nunn/Lugar and then Lugar/Obama funded the US karynnj Sep 2013 #22
Who sold them JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #26
Short answer? No one. The precursor chemicals can be used for a variety of non-weapon things. stevenleser Sep 2013 #31
Thanks JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #34
It has taken the U.S.and Russia over a decade daleo Sep 2013 #33

Turbineguy

(37,332 posts)
1. Every day that Assad can hold on to power
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:39 AM
Sep 2013

is a victory for him. Of course, it makes perfect sense for the US Taxpayer to pay. And in a year, well, it may take another year. And perhaps another billion or so.

Niceguy1

(2,467 posts)
2. he does have a point
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 06:48 AM
Sep 2013

Maybe he should justbtuen them over to a country that can do it, if they are safe to transport.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
3. Not intended to work like that.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 06:51 AM
Sep 2013

Its foreseen that literally hundreds and hundreds of scientists will be involved all of whom will be afforded physical protection of some description - UN I'd guess.

The issue of cost isn't something I'd given thought to in the past but can see its relevance.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
10. Even better - Russia and Qatar. Big weapons suppliers, small players in humanitarian aid.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 09:28 AM
Sep 2013
Countries in the forefront of arming either side in Syria's civil war have been among the least generous when it comes to dealing with the resulting humanitarian disaster, according to a new Oxfam report.

The aid agency and advocacy group found that Russia and Qatar had committed just 3% of their fair share to the United Nations humanitarian appeal, measuring their contributions as a proportion of national income and wealth.

At the other end of the scale, Kuwait has contributed more than four times its share, while Britain has given more than one and a half times what the agency estimated a proportionate contribution to the UN fund. Saudi Arabia has given nearly twice its share.

Overall, under-payers far outnumber over-payers, especially among rich countries. The US, despite being the biggest contributor in absolute terms, has given 63% of its fair share in relation to national income, Oxfam found. Japan has paid 17% of its fair share and South Korea 2%.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/19/syria-arms-aid-oxfam-russia-qatar

Russia and Qatar must be financially exhausted from all the arms shipments they send to the government and rebels, respectively. At least, the UK, Kuwait and, surprisingly to me, Saudi Arabia have been very generous with humanitarian funding.
 

arewenotdemo

(2,364 posts)
18. Just a small difference.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 01:45 PM
Sep 2013

Under International Law, it is illegal for Qatar to arm the rebels.

Under International Law, it is legal for Russia to arm Syria.

Not that we're concerned about International Law.

 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
5. To all the people celebrating that diplomatic solution...
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 07:02 AM
Sep 2013

it was all bs.

A year ??....which will become 2, 3, 4.....

And he wants the US to foot the bill ?


Congratulations.... you've been played a SUCKER.

oh...and he will use chemical weapons again.

BT Barnum is laughing in his grave.

Celefin

(532 posts)
7. Look, a crystal ball!
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 07:09 AM
Sep 2013

Possibly positive developments are actually always negative developments in the middle east.

And you aren't actually supposed to criticize something that hasn't materialized yet.
I've learned that on DU in the recent weeks.

Ah yes. Lest I forget:

 

jessie04

(1,528 posts)
23. Laugh all you want.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 03:27 PM
Sep 2013

Anyone who believed that crap got played a sucker.

I hope to see you here when he uses chemical weapons again.

Celefin

(532 posts)
24. Not really
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 04:12 PM
Sep 2013

I added the 'rofl' as a reflection on the replies that anti-US-involvement-in-Syria posts are sure to attract.

Anyway, you'll see me here again if Assad uses chemical weapons and I will then concede that I was wrong.
Right now I prefer to share Obama's hope that this may actually lead to something. The US and NATO need to stay out of this mess.

If these weapons are not removed they will be used again, either by the rebels or by Assad or whoever has replaced Assad then, be it a general or a temporarily victorious rebel faction. Even then, the death toll will be a fraction of those who have died conventional agonizing deaths during the course of this civil war.

Our views on this mess are likely not reconcilable...
but thank you for your measured response to my provocative post.
I didn't expect that.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
32. The goal of the administration was never a diplomatic solution, it was a PR solution.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 08:59 PM
Sep 2013

The goal was to get this off the front page without losing face.

Celefin

(532 posts)
6. Compared to a bombing campaign that's probably a bargain
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 07:04 AM
Sep 2013

And a year is actually not that long if the stockpile really is as large as alleged and reported.

Things are moving in the right direction at least - that's a lot more than could be said four weeks ago.
On the other hand, who knows if Assad is still in power in a year and who by that time will be in possession of the CW.

Over the CW issue the media tends to forget that there actually is an at least 7-way civil war going on...

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
9. The USA has a ban on selling weapons to Syria/Iran/NK , let the F-ing salesmen and investors pay
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 08:25 AM
Sep 2013

The USA knows who the gunrunners are. The world bank can take over their bank accounts and fund that. After all the world bank handed over entire COUNTRIES bank accounts to Hitler and funded him.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
11. "The country that sold the guns gets to clean up the mess"
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 09:55 AM
Sep 2013

really, really, really isn't a precedent the US is interested in setting. For pretty obvious reasons.

Edited to add: That isn't a quote, obviously, it's a paraphrase of the idea....which is actually a good idea. Just one we want no part of whatsoever.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
12. the helicoptors Assad flies, the huge rocket launchers came from someone.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 10:04 AM
Sep 2013
Those gunrunners should pay from their profit amassing bank accounts.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
14. So you think the US should pay for everyone we ever armed?
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 11:54 AM
Sep 2013

Boy, that's going to put a dent in the ol' GDP.

From right wing death squads in South America to half the terrorist groups in the Middle East, we're going to be paying that off for a long time. That's why we don't want that precedence set.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. could start with today without having to pay for all 300 years of injustices first.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:09 PM
Sep 2013

or thousands of years of injustice if one wants to include the beginnings of society.

The USA did not sell helicopters to Syria. Our country has a mandate, Americans are banned from selling to those countries.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
17. Oh right. I forgot that we're special.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:30 PM
Sep 2013

Rules and laws don't apply to us because AMERICA FUCK YEAH!

 

Nihil

(13,508 posts)
28. "Our country has a mandate, Americans are banned from selling to those countries"
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 08:35 AM
Sep 2013


But giving it away to jihadists and paying for the CIA to train even more
terrorists is OK!

Un-fucking-believable.




Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
29. The USA has been training people there for decades. We do have a mandate.
Fri Sep 20, 2013, 08:44 AM
Sep 2013

I'm all for an International Tribunal for the crime of using chemical weapons.

I'm also for criminal charges for any Americans investing in wars and washing (hiding) their investments through other countries like Russia. Hiding profits in places like Cayman islands, Dubai and Swiss banks.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
16. The United States began destroying its chemical weapons in 1990. We're still not finished.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 12:13 PM
Sep 2013

One year, during an active civil war, is a very aggressive timeline.

As for the money thing, you'll all remember that the US and EU have frozen Assad's accounts. He's flat broke and has no money to purchase the equipment or people needed to do the job. You can't take someones money, hand them an expensive list of demands, and then complain when they have no money to pay for it.

We either have to pay for it, or give him access to his countries money again. "Neither" isn't an option.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
30. Agreed. My first thought was disbelief, then I realized it's not an easy thing to do the right way
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:43 PM
Sep 2013

Destruction of any WMD is a difficult, dangerous and time-consuming process and that is when you are not in the middle of a civil war.

 

obxhead

(8,434 posts)
21. Ok sounds good.
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 02:02 PM
Sep 2013

We're still trying to finish destroying our own stockpile, a process that has been going on for over 3 decades.

Only a year to do so in Syria sounds more than reasonable.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
22. There is a precedent Nunn/Lugar and then Lugar/Obama funded the US
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 02:10 PM
Sep 2013

buying up nuclear weapons - especially in the former USSR to prevent them from being obtained by others.

There was some discussion of this in Geneva. It would seem that many countries could help fund this -- and I assume NONE would go to Assad.






JustAnotherGen

(31,827 posts)
26. Who sold them
Thu Sep 19, 2013, 04:22 PM
Sep 2013

The Chemical Weapons? The corporation that sold them should be finding a solution for this. . . I'm sure it's global in nature and can afford it.

Someone tell Assad we still haven't fully rehomed folks from Sandy - oh and the recovery in New Orleans from Katrina still has a long way to go. Oh - and I had to pay for BP's fuck up in the Gulf so I'm tapped out.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
31. Short answer? No one. The precursor chemicals can be used for a variety of non-weapon things.
Sat Sep 21, 2013, 05:49 PM
Sep 2013

The main ingredient of Sarin is Methylphosphonyl difluoride and it can be prepared by reacting methylphosphonyl dichloride with hydrogen fluoride (HF) or sodium fluoride (NaF). All three of those precursor chemicals have multiple uses.

So even if we assume Syria purchased the precursor chemicals from outside its borders, which you cannot immediately assume, forcing that chemical company to pay for this is unfair.

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