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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:48 AM Feb 2012

Santorum campaign suggests Mitt Romney may have done deal to make Ron Paul his running mate

http://harndenblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012/02/santorum-campaign-suggests-romney-may-have-done-deal-to-make-ron-paul-his-running-mate.html

After tonight's debate, in which Ron Paul and Mitt Romney repeatedly attacked Rick Santorum over his 16-year record in Congress, the former Pennsylvania hinted that something nefarious was going on. "You have to ask Congressman Paul and Governor Romney what they've got going together,"

Santorum told reporters in the spin room in Mesa, Arizona. "Their commercials look a lot alike and so do their attacks." Santorum's top strategist John Brabender went even further, charging that the two men had "joined forces" and were coordinating attacks against his man

"Clearly there's a tag team strategy between Ron Paul and Mitt Romney. For all I know, Mitt Romney might be considering Ron Paul as his running mate. Clearly there is now an alliance between those two and you saw that certainly in the debate." The was also coordination in their attack ads, he charged. "Ron Paul for all practical purposes has pulled out of Michigan. Correct? Where's he running negative ads against Rick Santorum? Michigan.

"It was interesting to me that if you watch Ron Paul when he came into the debate wrote negative things about Rick Santorum down because when he started to get questions he would immediately pick up his paper and start mentioning Santorum stuff." He added: "What is amazing to me this shows a remarkable ability by Romney, who has already proven to be the most negative man in history on TV, now he's even training his opponents to be negative for his benefit and actually I think that takes remarkable skill."

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my take, and why

The main reason this has any credibilty is the 'behind-the-scenes' delegate control strategy of the Paul campaign, who could have enough actual delegates at the convention that he controls to tip the nomination to any of the other 3 candidates:

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/291218/ron-paul-s-delegate-strategy-katrina-trinko?pg=2

Ron Paul’s Delegate Strategy

The Paul campaign has focused on diligently training its supporters, who, as any reporter whose e-mail address is public can tell you, are a passionate lot. Paul backers are willing not to just show up and pull the lever for Paul, but also to learn the arcane rules that govern delegate selection.

Consider what happened at one Maine caucus site. Washington Post reporter Felicia Somnez reported that while the original schedule had been selection of delegates first and then the caucus vote, a voter’s proposal that the order be reversed was approved by the attendees. Around half of voters had come for the caucus vote, not for the delegate selection. “The state delegate race would be conducted with only about half that many people in the room,” Somnez wrote. “And that meant the pool had effectively been reduced to only the most committed voters of an already quite diehard bunch — among them, many Paul supporters like [Alex] Lyscars who were willing to spend more than four hours at a caucus on a Saturday afternoon and for whom the straw-poll results were secondary to the actual delegate race.”

After Maine’s caucus, the state GOP called Romney the caucus winner. But the Paul campaign had a different spin on the outcome. “We are confident we will control the Maine delegation for the convention in August,” said Benton in a statement issued that night. The campaign estimates that about 75 percent of the state’s current delegates are Paul supporters. And it’s not just Maine and Colorado. Talking to reporters in January, Benton predicted that the Paul campaign would ultimately “win the Iowa delegation, even though we took a close third place . . . on caucus night.” Seventy-five percent of the Minnesota delegates to local party conventions are Paul backers, according to the campaign.

Ultimately, the odds that Paul could get enough delegates to swing the national convention to a vote nominating him are nil. But the more delegates Paul controls, the more of an impact he can have on determining the GOP platform at the convention. Furthermore, if it does come to a brokered convention — admittedly an unlikely scenario — the Paul campaign will be ready. Benton refuses to speculate about what the specific odds are that there will be a brokered convention, but does say of the possibility, “We’ve always seen it as more likely than most people would.”


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Santorum campaign suggests Mitt Romney may have done deal to make Ron Paul his running mate (Original Post) stockholmer Feb 2012 OP
Alliance? Not quite Kithim Feb 2012 #1
The enemy of my enemy is my enema. ChairmanAgnostic Feb 2012 #10
Maybe not Ron Paul, but what about Rand? Galraedia Feb 2012 #34
It won't help. The whole lot of them could be on the ticket and it wouldn't help AllyCat Feb 2012 #2
I'm lovin' this freak show of a primary campaign and what it's doing to the GOP brand. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2012 #3
It's a lie meant to drag Romney down... Fearless Feb 2012 #4
I think I get it. Another Republican homophobe who spends his time thinking up dimbear Feb 2012 #5
... and wondering "what they've got going together" starroute Feb 2012 #17
LOL, I thought the same thing! Myrina Feb 2012 #40
Test Post Democrat18 Feb 2012 #6
happy Birthday, Democrat18 and welcome to DU! Morning Dew Feb 2012 #7
Thank you Democrat18 Feb 2012 #30
welcome to DU stockholmer Feb 2012 #13
And thank You! Democrat18 Feb 2012 #31
Good news! marble falls Feb 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author JJW Feb 2012 #9
There does appear to be something going on there. DCBob Feb 2012 #11
Maybe trying to push the religious right out CatholicEdHead Feb 2012 #37
Has the LDS baptized Paul's ancesters yet? hayrow1 Feb 2012 #12
This is how Ron is setting the table for what he thinks he CAN get from Romney - RAND Paul as blm Feb 2012 #14
Paranoid, religious zealot and stupid is no way to go through life, son. Thor_MN Feb 2012 #15
ass froth continues on his freight train ride to insanity with a new bonus... Javaman Feb 2012 #16
The mouse that ate the elephant... sofa king Feb 2012 #18
That would be a strange ticket Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2012 #19
Paul is doing everything he can to "game" the system. bluedigger Feb 2012 #20
He doesn't even have to get the nomination for his son, but simply get him on the 'short list' grantcart Feb 2012 #22
Good point. bluedigger Feb 2012 #25
Guy needs a psychiatrist to help him with his paranoia. harun Feb 2012 #21
It would make sense if Romney was following the Papa & Baby Bush strategy for picking a VP: yurbud Feb 2012 #23
Obviously this is the case, but I'm not sure it helps him to point it out maximusveritas Feb 2012 #24
Yeah, that would be bad. bluedigger Feb 2012 #26
Was there a prayer before the xxqqqzme Feb 2012 #27
the latest wrinkle/the last resort Doc Holliday Feb 2012 #28
Anyone who puts an nutjob like Ron Paul that close to the Presidency flamingdem Feb 2012 #29
All Ron Paul and Libertarianism are: just the American version of classic Anarchism Brettongarcia Feb 2012 #32
No. Ron Paul is a racist fuck. We're not having a flamingdem Feb 2012 #33
Ron Paul does seem to have sold his soul to Mitt Romney UCmeNdc Feb 2012 #35
Maybe Mitt "bought out" Paul's campaign for cash and political favors to be named later. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #36
Not a chance he'd make Ron Paul his running mate RZM Feb 2012 #38
Symptomatic of paranoid politicians everywhere, never opposed because they are wackos, fault always L. Coyote Feb 2012 #39

Kithim

(5 posts)
1. Alliance? Not quite
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:10 AM
Feb 2012

I do not think there is any alliance between Paul and Romney. I don't see how Ron Paul and Romney both attacking Santorum equates to an alliance between the two. Ron Paul and Romney both dislike Santorum. That does not mean they like each other. The idea that Romney is training Paul to do his bidding seems absurd. The Paul campaign has long said that the race was between Paul and Romney, for they believe such a race will give Paul more votes. So it makes sense that Paul wants the other two out. Romney probably feels threatened by Santorum's recent wins, and wants him out as well.

I doubt Paul would even consider being the VP. He refuses to even say he will support the eventual nominee. Are there common interests? Sure. But then again all the candidates have a common interest of defeating Obama. But there is no alliance. Such a theory just seems incredibly improbable.

AllyCat

(16,216 posts)
2. It won't help. The whole lot of them could be on the ticket and it wouldn't help
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 02:16 AM
Feb 2012

They are completely crazy.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
3. I'm lovin' this freak show of a primary campaign and what it's doing to the GOP brand.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:09 AM
Feb 2012

Is it too late to Draft Palin?

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
5. I think I get it. Another Republican homophobe who spends his time thinking up
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:05 AM
Feb 2012

wrestling analogies. Hot sweaty wrestlers straining under the lights, grunting and moaning and slapping and............

marble falls

(57,170 posts)
8. Good news!
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 04:55 AM
Feb 2012

A vice President older than Reagan was when he was President, and even goofier than Ronnie. Priceless.

Response to stockholmer (Original post)

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
11. There does appear to be something going on there.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:17 AM
Feb 2012

Its odd how aggressive Paul has gotten against Saint Santorum recently. Must be some sort of deal maybe not VP but something significant. It could be effective because many GOPers respect Paul even if they would never vote for him. It gives Rmoney some cred he didnt have before.

CatholicEdHead

(9,740 posts)
37. Maybe trying to push the religious right out
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:08 PM
Feb 2012

Romney is mainstream with his religion (not in your face). Paul goes after the sometimes atheist anti-government wing. What you will have is a moderate the GOP movers and shakers like along with someone who appeals to the rank and file anti-government/libertarian/militia types. You end up taking Jesus out of the campaign. You end up with a complete economic ticket and social issues will be tossed to the background.

blm

(113,083 posts)
14. This is how Ron is setting the table for what he thinks he CAN get from Romney - RAND Paul as
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:36 AM
Feb 2012

either a running mate or some position high up in the party.

Javaman

(62,533 posts)
16. ass froth continues on his freight train ride to insanity with a new bonus...
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 09:54 AM
Feb 2012

paranoia!

Fine by me.

Frankly, I think in the end, lizard man is going to endorce Romney.

Which would seal ass froths fate.

Paul, I don't think will endorce anyone, because by convention time, he will have zero influence on anything.

Lizard man controls a portion of the ultra crazy right. A portion that ass froth would kill to get.

it's amusing to think that lizard man will be the spoiler, but then again, I think that's what whole mission is about.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,436 posts)
19. That would be a strange ticket
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:27 AM
Feb 2012

also I don't think that that the "base" would go for it either- not that I would accuse Romney of being very politically saavy either but still.................

bluedigger

(17,087 posts)
20. Paul is doing everything he can to "game" the system.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 10:42 AM
Feb 2012

Nobody thinks he can get the nomination, but he will have a lot of influence. I suspect he has at least a couple of goals. First, he will insist that the Republican platform includes auditing the Fed - I'm okay with that, actually.

Secondly, I think he will try to get a VP nomination - but not for himself - for his son, Rand. If he can deliver the Paulista votes, Rand would be a decent VP candidate - younger, and without all the wounds and primary baggage that the other Presidential candidates have suffered during the primary. Also, a young VP would be a strong future candidate for President...

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
22. He doesn't even have to get the nomination for his son, but simply get him on the 'short list'
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:01 PM
Feb 2012

If he's on the 'short' list then he has to be considered orthodox enough to be the pick, if he's orthodox enough to be picked for VP then he certainly can run for nomination next time. Clever strategy of expanding perceptions like a latex glove. Eventually it will fit.

Ron Paul is simply doing an indepth volunteer recruiting campaign to get an early start on Rand Paul's inevitable candidacy for the Republican nomination.

And, its pretty damn clever.

While the party elders are looking the other way this weird little guy is laying the foundation for a schism that will truely split the Republican Party apart.

They don't even see it.

bluedigger

(17,087 posts)
25. Good point.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:40 PM
Feb 2012

Either way, it helps legitimize Rand. The way I see it, if Romney gets the nomination, and inevitably loses, then your prediction will be in play and Paul will attempt to split the party. If Santorum somehow gets the nod, and inevitably loses, then Paul will be the Republican Party going forward, because there will be nothing else left.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
23. It would make sense if Romney was following the Papa & Baby Bush strategy for picking a VP:
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:24 PM
Feb 2012

life insurance.

No one would dare kill either and risk a Quayle or Cheney presidency respectively.

That logic only holds for elite fear of Ron Paul though not because of his beliefs but because he doesn't change them based on the checks he gets.

maximusveritas

(2,915 posts)
24. Obviously this is the case, but I'm not sure it helps him to point it out
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:30 PM
Feb 2012

People who aren't as attuned to politics will call him "paranoid" or making excuses. It would be better to wait for the media to point it out. I don't think it helps the image of Paul or Romney for them to be seen making back-room deals.

bluedigger

(17,087 posts)
26. Yeah, that would be bad.
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 01:47 PM
Feb 2012

Imagine the uproar if Romney offered Paul a Cabinet position, Secretary of State, for example.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
32. All Ron Paul and Libertarianism are: just the American version of classic Anarchism
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:34 PM
Feb 2012

The basic idea in both, is this: take away government, and let the ordinary people work things out.

By the way, it doesn't work; as we saw in Robber Barons, and the 1960's communes. Drop all the rules? And a crazy strong man/cult leader takes over.

But? Libertarianism/Anarachy is still an invaluable thought-experiment for college freshmen. Suppose indeed there was no government; then what would happen?

Bad things as it turns out. But its fun to play with ... as a crazy hypothesis.

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)
33. No. Ron Paul is a racist fuck. We're not having a
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 03:37 PM
Feb 2012

anarchist "learning experience" with him. Try Murry Bookchin.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
35. Ron Paul does seem to have sold his soul to Mitt Romney
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 07:41 AM
Feb 2012

It does seem strange how Ron Paul never attacks Mitt Romney. It seems like there is a back room deal being consummated.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
36. Maybe Mitt "bought out" Paul's campaign for cash and political favors to be named later.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 12:16 PM
Feb 2012

He will now sell off the profitable parts of the campaign and write off the rest.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
38. Not a chance he'd make Ron Paul his running mate
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:39 PM
Feb 2012

Though I think it's possible that he would offer it to Rand Paul. Very unlikely, but not outside the realm of possibility.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
39. Symptomatic of paranoid politicians everywhere, never opposed because they are wackos, fault always
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:40 PM
Feb 2012

in the opposition, often perceived as a conspiracy.

Just more evidence they are paranoid and delusional

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