Howard Dean backs Obama on Syria strike

[kpete]

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Source: The Hill

Howard Dean backs Obama on Syria strike
By Julian Pecquet - 09/04/13 10:00 AM ET

Former DNC chairman Howard Dean supports President Obama's call for a punitive military strike against Syria.

“Thus far I fully support the president, including his going to Congress,” Dean said in an e-mail to The Hill.

The comments from the standard-bearer of the anti-war left during the 2002 campaign could help Obama gain more support among Democrats for votes next week in the House and Senate on his request.

In the House in particular, Obama is likely to have to count on a strong Democratic vote.



Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/middle-east-north-africa/320183-howard-dean-backs-syria-strike

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UPDATED: to add another link and info:
hat tip: karynnj
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/howard-dean-syria_n_3866241.html

[brooklynite]

1. Waiting for the heads to explode in 3 - 2 - 1.....

[Madmiddle]

71. And Dean's endorsement

adds nothing to this lying bullshit debate. Go ahaed assholes start WWIII and when they draft our children I will advice them to not fight for Israel. Do not fight for any war, ever. Wars are always about rich people stealing from countries that lose. This is not a fight that really helps anyone. Fuck John Kerry, and fuck Hillary Clinton and, by the way fuck that stupid fuck Howard Dean. He sucked as the governor of Vermont. I know he sucked because I am a Vermonter and his time running the state was bad...

[JohnnyRingo]

72. WWIII?!

..and just when I thought the hyperbole meter was already in the red, now I see it goes up to 11.

[George II]

96. Maturity was never a prerequisite to membership at DU

[JackRiddler]

79. That only works with followers.

I liked Dean when he said the right things, in 2003-2004. That doesn't make me a follower of Dean. So when he says the wrong things, as he often has, being an establishment politician in the end, I don't really give a fuck.

Following is a problem for a lot of people, of course, as we see with the Obama followers on this board. (These are just one of 101 varieties of followers of idols or celebrities or leaders in the world, nothing exceptional about them.) The heads of real followers never explode. This only happens if their preference was for the right thing, i.e., in those cases where they became followers only because they trusted in the leader they chose to do the right thing. However, most followers come to prefer the personality to whatever the moral question is. It makes things simple. You can never go wrong, all you have to do is assume your idol is always right.

You're welcome.

[MyNameGoesHere]

2. Looks like Howie has an eye on 2016

Time to start whoring I guess.

[karynnj]

11. Don't be ridiculous

First of all, if that were his intent - he would do the opposite. Speak of how he respects, Obama, Kerry, etc but (follow with almost any reason written here in many threads against going).

Why? Hillary supports Obama on this - and in fact was for a more Mccain like position in the last 2 years. Here, Dean is taking the same position as Hillary - so he can not use this to differentiate himself. If Syrian action happens and there is no major continuing involvement, this will be forgotten and no one's position matters.

Only if it goes badly does it matter -- and then Dean would have benefited by being against it.

I think people forget that Dean's position in 2002 was actually very similar to Kerry's (less militant than Edwards) - he just did not have to vote.

[karynnj]

16. You are simply discrediting yourself and showing your complete lack of ability to engage

in any meaningful political discussion.

Dean was my second choice in 2004 - and it was close - and I was very impressed by both. Dean is a very decent man, who speaks his mind and states his opinion - not the politically convenient one.

[daleo]

51. They are decent men

As Shakespeare said, they are honourable men.

[JI7]

41. plus he has already said he support Hillary for 2016

[CANDO]

76. I think HD is angling for VP nod in '16

Clinton/Dean 2016

[Arkana]

3. Under the bus with you, Governor Dean!

[bunnies]

4. Very disappointing news.

*sigh*

[Sand Wind]

5. An Another rational leader. Nt

[John2]

14. This is not Tunisia.

Howard Dean is a leader of whom in this country? The majority of this country is against any military strikes regardless of what this guy states. People in this country think for themselves. Dean is not going to win any Election or carries any following in this country. People voted for him, because they agreed with him on issues, not just because of his name. Dean claims he backs Obama but hasn't been privy to any intelligence whatsoever. I will vote against Mrs Clinton and Biden. I will also encourage my friends and family to do so too.

These people have spent our resources and listen to people who don't have anything to do with this country's welfare. I think I can convince a lot of people and pull that wolves skin off these so called politicians like Mr Dean. I'm African American too. I know a lot of African Americans that were disenchanted with Mr Obama and especially the Clintons. They can play that anti-semitic game with me too but I'm willing to confront these people this time if I have too.

They need to be outted and all a smart person needs to do is follow the donations and money, why many of these politicians ignore Americans like me. These people are bought and paid for. Israel has too much influence with our politicians. This War if it happens will not be a quick one like they think. There will be a lot of killing if it starts and it will spread, which will build up more rejection of those who started it, including Mr Dean. It will put America further in Debt and those whom start this path will want to cut social programs more for their warmongering and Empire building. It only enriches a few people in those invaded countries and the Warmongerers of Congress.

John McCain, and McCorkle does not give a dam about poor people or human Rights. All one has to do is look at their actions in their own country. This country needs new faces and new leaders period. Why should any ordinary American vote for these people, when they care about religious fanatics of other countries moreso than us? It is time for a regime change in both these Parties similar to our pre Civil War Era. We need other Parties or to get rid of these same old prople dominating our Politics. We will see what Mr Dean says a few years from now when things don't go right in Syria or the Middle East, or when Mr Obama comes back for more cuts to socialspending benefiting Americans. We'll see whom they foot the Bill to. I doubt it will be his so called Rebels or the country of Israel and it sure want be any country smart enough not to go along with our clowns in the Government. And it want be his backstabbing pathetic one percenters or Wall Streeters. Obama is going to ruin the Democratic Party period when all is said and done. This man has betrayed his most loyal supporters yet again. Enough is enough! I campaigned for him for two terms, I will be campaigning against them next time. So we will see how much support Mr Dean gets.

[Sand Wind]

19. What do you mean by this : " They can play that anti-semitic game" ?

And Why do you speak about Tunisia ?

[pampango]

29. "I'm African American too. I know a lot of African Americans that were disenchanted with Mr Obama...

I think I can convince a lot of people and pull that wolves skin off these so called politicians like Mr Dean. I'm African American too. I know a lot of African Americans that were disenchanted with Mr Obama and especially the Clintons. They can play that anti-semitic game with me too but I'm willing to confront these people this time if I have too.

Polls would indicate otherwise but, if you hang out in the "right" circles, I am sure you can find a lot of African Americans who do not like Obama.

Until this morning I doubt you could have found many DUers who were interested in pulling the "wolves skin off these so called politicians like Mr Dean". He was generally held in pretty high regard here. He will learn that you can go from liberal stalwart to corporate sell-out in the blink of an eye.

If Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders go merely from believing that Assad's forces are guilty of the chemical attack to actually voting for authorization (which I doubt they will do), they too will feel the wrath of DU.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

43. There are AA's who are disappointed with Obama on policy issues but unlike most see

the larger picture! I disagree with Obama on some of his decisions but in the larger scheme of things, I still support him!!!

[jaysunb]

74. +1 n/t

[lindalou65]

78. I, too, still support Obama

and I think there are not many choices out there---it is a "Damned if you do or damned if you don't" type of situation we have here. We cannot just mind our own business entirely and focus on just the USA. We now live in a global world and no longer can we just 'mind our own business' So, yes, I think Obama is doing what should be done here---not a lot of options in my opinion. Doing nothing has its consequences too.

[tblue]

87. I'm one. And I know a LOT of AA people who hold their public opinions in check.

They don't speak ill of him outside the 'family' and/or they try their hardest to see the best in him. I understand it, to a degree. Personally, I don't know how to support someone when I disagree with what they do. I just don't have that gene. It's not about a person to me, although I hate the thought of the first black president not doing well, because of our history. It's not enough just to be black, or even black and brilliant. It takes more than that to have my unconditional support, if I could ever give it to any politician.

[Autumn]

6. I find that disappointing.

[Le Taz Hot]

7. Howard Dean has transformed

into a Democratic Party boy who will do/say anything The Party wants him to do. If he thinks he's going to gain points by this, he's sadly mistaken. The Party will already have war hawk Hillary. If people want to vote for pro-war "Democrats" they're not going to pick him over Hillary.

I'm SO disappointed in Howard Dean. He's a very different person than he was in 2004.

[polichick]

23. Who pays his bills these days? Lost track of his employment.

[Le Taz Hot]

24. The DNC.

Follow da money.

[polichick]

25. Thought he was out of there long ago.

[Le Taz Hot]

49. He is,

but the Democrats are still paying his bills, if only nominally.

[Hekate]

57. Can you support that statement? He referred recently to "our clinic" ...

... that would be his and his wife's medical practice. He may receive speaker's fees as well for his various public appearances -- but I thought he was out of the paid party apparatus when he left his chairmanship.

[polichick]

62. As often as he appears on msnbc, I'd guess he is also paid there.

[Hekate]

65. If he's one of their stable of commentators, certainly there would be some income....

... but that scarcely equates to "the DNC paying his bills." When did the DNC become MSNBC or vice versa?

[polichick]

67. No, of course not. I thought he was out of the DNC ages ago.

[Hekate]

70. Post 24: Taz says the DNC pays his bills and follow the money. I'm just asking for a reality check.

24. The DNC.
Follow da money.

[Freddie Stubbs]

31. Will you still support Warren if she does the same?

[Le Taz Hot]

50. Nope.

[ellenrr]

63. hawkish, pro-aipac Warren will certainly support the war on Syria

First, a statement from 4/12 shows her hawkish view toward Iran and her incorrect assessment.
Second, her absolute fealty to AIPAC explains why she is hawkish toward Iran.
third url is to a common dreams article which points out that progressives are making the same mistake with Warren that they made with Obama.

Anyone who doubts the iron grip AIPAC has on US politicians should check out Democratic Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren’s position on Israel. It sounds just like every other Senate candidate’s (probably because it almost surely was written by an AIPAC staffer).
http://mjayrosenberg.com/2012/05/06/elizabeth-warren-sells-out-to-aipac-already/

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Meanwhile, Elizabeth Warren, a Democratic Senate hopeful in Massachusetts, came under fire for a hawkish statement on Iran that contradicts intelligence assertions by senior U.S. defense officials.

Warren's campaign website features a policy statement declaring that "Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons" and "Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons is unacceptable because a nuclear Iran would be a threat to the United States, our allies, the region, and the world."

The statement continues, "The United States must take the necessary steps to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon. I support strong sanctions against Iran and believe that the United States must also continue to take a leadership role in pushing other countries to implement strong sanctions as well. Iran must not have an escape hatch."

Warren's claim that "Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons" is especially notable because it contradicts public statements by Defense Secretary Leon Panetta as well as reported intelligence findings of the U.S. and Israeli governments.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/24/elizabeth-warren-iran-bob-kerrey_n_1449926.html

While progressives celebrate Warren for her fight against the big banks and the financial industry's lobbying arm, they have kept silent over the fact that she has enlisted with another powerful lobby that is willing to sabotage America's economic recovery in order to advance its narrow interests. It is AIPAC, the key arm of the Israel lobby; a group that is openly pushing for a US war on Iran that would likely trigger a global recession, as the renowned economist Nouriel Roubini recently warned. The national security/foreign policy position page on Warren's campaign website reads as though it was cobbled together from AIPAC memos and the website of the Israeli Foreign Ministry by the Democratic Party hacks who are advising her. It is pure boilerplate that suggests she knows about as much about the Middle East as Herman "Uzbeki-beki-stan-stan" Cain, and that she doesn't care.

Warren's statement on Israel consumes far more space than any other foreign policy issue on the page (she makes no mention of China, Latin America, or Africa). To justify what she calls the "unbreakable bond" between the US and Israel, Warren repeats the thoughtless cant about "a natural partnership resting on our mutual commitment to democracy and freedom and on our shared values." She then declares that the United States must reject any Palestinian plans to pursue statehood outside of negotiations with Israel. While the US can preach to the Palestinians about how and when to demand the end of their 45-year-long military occupation, Warren says the US "cannot dictate the terms" to Israel.

Warren goes on to describe Iran as "a significant threat to the United States," echoing a key talking point of fear-mongering pro-war forces. She calls for "strong sanctions" and declares that the "United States must take the necessary steps to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon" -- a veiled endorsement of a military strike if Iran crosses the constantly shifting American "red lines." Perhaps the only option Warren does not endorse or implicitly support is diplomacy. Her foreign policy views are hardly distinguishable from those of her Republican rival, who also marches in lockstep with AIPAC.
https://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/02/26-8

[awoke_in_2003]

33. War trumps everything in this country. nt

[lumpy]

38. Is it possible that Dean and others have learned more about the situation than they did before?

He certainly knows more facts than any of us do.

[Scootaloo]

54. If so, that's a problem.

He certainly knows more facts than any of us do.

These facts need to be made accessible to the people of the United States. Wasn't this administration going to take a turn towards transparency?

[David__77]

8. Weasel words.

"Thus far..." He wants to keep all the flexibility to later claim whatever he wants.

[wyldwolf]

9. uh oh.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

10. PROPAGANDA. If multiple sources say Obama has not "made a final decision," how can Dean

be purportedly supporting a Syria strike?

What is it exactly that Dean is supporting?

Should Dean otherwise oppose Obama going to Congress? Is it wrong for him to say that he supports Obama going to Congress? Especially when Obama has said that he has not made a final decision?

Has Dean said "Bomb 'em"? Is that what he is otherwise supporting?

[DCBob]

12. Add Howard to the "Agree With Obama" shit list.

[Iliyah]

15. Oh Noessss

Howard Dean has lost his SOUL, let the trashing begin!

[tiredtoo]

17. And another one bites the dust

So sad, so very very sad!

[onehandle]

18. Stinkin' NeoCon!

Just another Bush Cabalist!

[jessie04]

34. Really?

so everyone who doesn't agree with you is a neo-con?

and that includes

Pres.Obama
VP JOE BIDEN
SOS KERRY
( FUTURE PRES.) HILARY CLINTON
DEBBIE-WASSERMAN SCHULTZ
HOWARD DEAN
SEN. CARDEN

HMMM....Maybe youre out of touch with the mainstream of the party ??

[dflprincess]

45. It would depend on how you define the "mainstream" of the party

if you mean the rank and file worker bees who actually keep the party running even if we can't afford to buy our own representative or senator, then it is

Pres.Obama
VP JOE BIDEN
SOS KERRY
( FUTURE PRES.) HILARY CLINTON
DEBBIE-WASSERMAN SCHULTZ
HOWARD DEAN
SEN. CARDIN

who are out of step with us.

[Locrian]

20. is there some room...

is there some room that they take these people and perform lobotomies on or what? WTF is it with MSM and the beltway and the lock step they seem to follow?

If I was a paranoid type I'd think there's some kind of conspiracy here.

[FiveGoodMen]

35. I have this feeling ...

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"I have this feeling that whoever is elected president, like Clinton was, no matter what you promise on the campaign trail – blah, blah, blah – when you win, you go into this smoke-filled room with the twelve industrialist capitalist scum-fucks who got you in there. And you're in this smoky room, and this little film screen comes down … and a big guy with a cigar goes, "Roll the film." And it's a shot of the Kennedy assassination from an angle you've never seen before … that looks suspiciously like it's from the grassy knoll. And then the screen goes up and the lights come up, and they go to the new president, "Any questions?" "Er, just what my agenda is." "First we bomb Baghdad." "You got it …"

-- Bill Hicks

[MisterP]

21. same story as Lebanon and Cast Lead: all but like 3 Reps pointed out that they were aggressive

(as confessed by Livni or the Knesset afterwards every time)
of course, the left has always tried to be about policy, not personality--something the RWers here can't understand ('cos they're admitted cultists)

[broiles]

22. I am no longer a Deaniac.

[Tarheel_Dem]

26. Watch out Dr. Dean!

[KamaAina]

27. And we're gonna go into Syria! We're gonna go into North Korea! We're goona go into IRAN!

HYAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[JohnnyRingo]

75. Thanx

Good to see some humor in another in a long line of "dead to me" posts.

I needed a chuckle, and I don't care what your position on Syria is, that was funny.

[KamaAina]

80. Alas, not original

I yoinked it from someione on Will Pitt's FB.

[arewenotdemo]

82. Yah, that was great.

[last1standing]

28. "Thus far" what has Obama done?

First, those who are throwing Dean under the bus for this statement never knew Dean. He's a moderate who tells the truth. Always was and likely always will be. That means he's not a isolationist but is likely to expect that any action taken is done in accordance with the Constitution.

Second, as alluded to in my comment title, what has Obama done, "thus far?" The Hill provided one sentence from Dean and then claims he's completely on board with whatever the president does. Maybe that will end up being the case but so far Obama has stated that he wants to bomb Syria and has asked for Congressional approval. If congress turns Obama down and Dean still supports a punitive action by Obama, then I'll be disappointed.

Third, Dean, like everyone else in this world, will sometimes be wrong. If you're holding out for a candidate who has never disagreed with you, run for office. If you want someone you can trust to treat you with respect even when you disagree then Dean's a good choice for progressives.

[Xyzse]

36. I can agree with this

[Le Taz Hot]

53. Dean opposed the Iraqi war.

Consistency would dictate he oppose war with Syria. He's done a 180.

[last1standing]

58. Dean opposed attacking Iraq when they had nothing to do with 9/11.

While I don't agree with Dean's stance on Syria, I don't see him as being inconsistent, just wrong. I believe he's trying to give Obama the benefit of the doubt till he sees where all this is going but I'm not in his head so that's really just my hope and bias.

As I said, I'll be disappointed if Dean ends up supporting a war with Syria, but I won't disavow my previous support for it. There are still too many of his values and stances I agree with for that to happen.

[Recursion]

99. Yeah. "consistency" is a weird metric here

I supported Afghanistan and Libya, opposed Iraq and Syria. Nothing inconsistent unless you imagine one can only be a pacifist or an eternal hawk.

[last1standing]

106. Sadly, there is a time for war.

We may disagree on when that time is but sometimes war is a sad necessity. Dean knows this and has his belief of when that time is. I likely disagree with him on this occasion but I don't doubt he honestly believes it is for the good of the people, not the corporations.

[Hekate]

59. "Consistency would dictate" that he follow the facts and engage his brain and conscience...

... which is exactly what I would hope from politicians and seldom get. I still respect Howard Dean -- and his words have been misapplied before this.

[merrily]

30. Maybe most politicians are very consistent.

They will say and do whatever seems necessary or desirable at any given time to advance their personal ambitions and self interest.

That is the North Star and they are always in line with it by keeping a finger to the wind at all times. However, we see them as veering wildly or doing a complete 180.

[blkmusclmachine]

32. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Robbins]

37. I respect him

But he's dead wrong on this.

[Dawgs]

39. Wish I could say that I was surprised. n/t

[Yavin4]

40. When Sen. Warren backs Obama on this....

this place will go ape shit.

I'm looking forward to it.

[Beacool]

55. Me too.

[Hekate]

60. At this point I do too

edited to add: The hysteria is already over the top.

[madrchsod]

68. huffington posters are already calling her out on this....

[tblue]

89. Do we always have to swallow people whole?

I think it's only small minds that believe you have to either wholly support or wholly abandon any politician. It's not about the person, it's about the policy, imho. When she's right, I'll agree with her. When she's not, I won't.

[Stuckinthebush]

91. ^^^ THIS

Indeed, tblue. Indeed.

The screaming from the keyboard brigade about how they will never ever ever in a billion gazillion years support any politician who even thinks bombing Syria is a good idea has become ridiculous.

[Yavin4]

93. Funny, no one applies your standard to Obama

I disagree with him on this, but I still think that he's been the best president that we've had in my lifetime. Yet, people are using this issue to call him everything except a Child of God. Some DUers are itching to call him the N-word over this.

[wisteria]

42. Gee, where are all the Deaniacs who said Dean

wouldn't go for this?

[karynnj]

44. Here is a more complete Dean position

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/04/howard-dean-syria_n_3866241.html

Summary - He things it good - even if Obama loses - to go to Congress
He supports a limited intervention due to the Chemical warfare.
He "hinted" that if Congress says no, Obama should listen.

From the article:

"I don’t think it hurts the president to ask the opinion of the American people and then follow it," Dean said. "That is his job. The president may have one idea. He has decided to take the risk that somebody else may have another. And if that somebody else is the American people, I think that’s fine. The Syrians can crow all they want about the president did this or the president did that. We in America will know that what the president decided to do is listen to public opinion.

"So while I agree with the president -- I support the president, I hope we do have a very limited intervention that is designed to reduce the possibility of chemical weapons being used in the future ... But if the Congress says no, I don’t think that is in any way a reflection on Barack Obama. I think that is a positive reflection on him for upholding the system and listening when he was told no by the people he works for, which is the American people."

Sounds like a moderate position to me.

[davidpdx]

46. Thank you for posting the full transcript

It would be nice if the OP edited to include this.

[arewenotdemo]

83. Gotta love this line

"But if the Congress says no, I don’t think that is in any way a reflection on Barack Obama."

No, no reflection at all.

[tblue]

88. Ok, now that is very different from the OP.

Makes much more sense, in light of what we know of Gov. Dean.

Anyway, he's entitled to disagree with me. I don't need a me-clone, and I have yet to be anybody else's.

[DeSwiss]

47. When you want to be President of the USA.....

...you have to show 'em your canines.

- And tell 'em you're willing to use 'em.

Bye Howard.....


[font size=10]No. More. Wars. NONE![/font]

[Adam-Bomb]

48. That statement will NOT have the effect..

That Governor Dean expected it to have. His support was the last thing I expected.

What's the difference between Iraq and Syria, really? Why would Dean be FOR
intervention in Syria when he was SO against our involvement in Iraq? His statement
sounds like everything has been politically motivated.

VERY disappointing.

[JI7]

52. because he also feels use of Chemical Weapons is crossing a red line

[ColesCountyDem]

90. +1

[Adam-Bomb]

97. Really?

If I remember correctly, Saddam Hussein gassed the ever-loving hell out
of his own folks, too, many thousands more than Assad is accused of.

Where was Governor Dean's outrage THEN?

[quakerboy]

109. Saddam verifiably gassed his people. And his neighbors, as well.

So.. how is it different again?

[politicasista]

56. The big cheese is getting crowded n/t

[Deep13]

61. Et tu, Howard? nt

[yurbud]

64. It doesn't help Obama, it hurts Dean. Endorsements make you pay attention but

the evidence is what makes you agree or disagree.

the evidence is the bipartisan consensus has wanted a business and Israel compliant regime in Syria for a long time, and this chemical weapons stuff is just the excuse they've been waiting for.

Or worse, as Putin said, Assad was actually winning against the opposition we backed, so this is plan B since regime change by proxy is failing.

[madrchsod]

66. another one under the bus

pretty soon we will need another bus...

[Hekate]

69. Some of the statements in this thread are wildly irresponsible as well as inaccurate...

... which is sadly symptomatic of Neo-DU.

Governor Howard Dean, MD is still who he has always been -- a fairly liberal Democrat who came out strongly against the Bush/Cheney regime and gave us all hope at a time when there was little, and got crushed by the media at the first opportunity. He believes everyone should have health care and is against stupid, unnecessary wars. He was never a pacifist or an isolationist. He's very pragmatic and his 50-state strategy makes tremendous sense. What has changed about the man?

One after another, formerly respected Democrats who had been elevated to ridiculous heights of cult of personality fantasy -- driven by some of their admirers' projections and not their own lives -- are being knocked from the heights and trampled under in waves of revulsion.

Elizabeth Warren and Alan Grayson will have their turn, as they prove to be human with different opinions than yours. Paul Wellstone, had he lived, would also have eventually disappointed on something.

Thank the gods Neo-DU is not actually Real Life.

[karynnj]

98. +1000

How dare Howard Dean,President Obama, Secretary Kerry etc not always do what plays best on DU.

[Ocelot]

77. Dean can stuff it

I wouldn't care if Mahatma Gandhi and Mother Theresa came back from the dead & both supported punitive military strikes on Syria. They'd be WRONG.

[Beacool]

81. Well, there goes Dean under the bus.

[arewenotdemo]

84. Obama is dismembering the Democratic Party with this latest war of choice.

By the fucking minute.

[FiveGoodMen]

85. I think that's the actual purpose of his presidency

Yes, really.

Give the GOP everything they want, and yet let the Dems -- and by false association, the LEFT -- take all the blame.

[arewenotdemo]

86. He's doing a good job of it.

Hopefully he doesn't have the votes.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/09/obamas-uphill-climb-for-syria-support-the-note/

[silvershadow]

92. Well a person can't always agree 100 percent. This is one of the few times I vehemently disagree

with Dr. Dean.

[Nanjing to Seoul]

94. sad. ..very sad. Bad choice, Dr. Dean

[BeatleBoot]

95. Waiting for the thread called, "Check In Here for The Loss of Howard Dean's Soul"

in, 3...2...1...

[Janecita]

100. Like General Butler said

"War is a Racket". Maybe Mr. Dean is trying to protect his investments in Halliburton! I guess that I will be voting Green next election (I really hate Hillary)

[ctsnowman]

101. Change is so easy.

[bobGandolf]

102. Worth listening to. n/t

[Marrah_G]

103. I think he is very wrong on this

[brooklynite]

104. So is Dean a neo-con, or a member of the MIC?

Since he can't have reached his decision based on thoughtful consideration of a complex issue.

[name not needed]

107. He's also a member of the Trilateral Commission and an agent of the Lizard People

[brooklynite]

108. That might explain the unearthly scream...

[JI7]

110. from what i hear he is being blackmailed based on info from NSA spying

[shanti]

105. Another one

Who has drunk the koolaid.