Colorado County to vote on Secession
Source: Washington Post
Residents in a conservative northern Colorado county will vote this November on whether to secede and create a new state, after a local commission on Monday approved ballot language backed by tea party activists.
The Weld County Commission unanimously approved the resolutions language, which reads: Shall the Board of County Commissioners of Weld County, in concert with the county commissioners of other Colorado counties, pursue becoming the 51st state of the United States of America?
Weld County is one of ten rural counties where activists have held meetings about seceding from Colorado. The activists started pushing for the meetings after this years legislative session, when Democrats who control the Colorado legislature passed new laws regulating firearms and oil exploration. The new measures, conservatives believe, are the latest steps taken by an overbearing legislature thats Denver-centric, to the exclusion of the states rural areas.
The legislature also passed legislation legalizing same-sex civil unions this year, on a party-line vote.
Several county commissions have held public meetings on the topic since activists started bringing up the idea; the Weld County commission held four meetings before their vote on Monday.
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2013/08/19/colorado-county-to-vote-on-secession/
This reminds me of what some people tried back in the late 50's. In Southern Oregon and Upper Northern Calif., an attempt was made to try and create "The State of Jefferson".
Not sure if they were as loony then as they are now. What do they plan to call it? Perhaps we should send them some suggestions.
Found out about Colorado on Tweety's show tonight, but learned about "State of Jefferson" when I lived in Medford Oregon many years ago.
Can't wait for the rapture or some friggin space aliens to take these mental midgets away somewhere. And I hope they don't forget Ted Cruz and Paul Ryan either.
We really could use a break.
Apologies if this is a repost.
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)beerandjesus
(1,301 posts)eggplant
(3,912 posts)HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)sakabatou
(42,168 posts)the_chinuk
(332 posts)It's going to take a lot more than an upvote from a bunch of butthurt 'baggers to create a state. If it's a protest thing then fine, but the creation of a state takes a lot more than a bunch of whiny malcontents voting one in.
Interestingly enough, while the State of Jefferson never came to pass, it's still a social thing in southwestern Oregon and northwestern Cali. As a matter of fact, the legend goes, the counties forming the notional state are considered seceeded one day a week by the locals until further notice.
I believe it's every Tuesday.
madamesilverspurs
(15,806 posts)Owned and operated by old white guys for so long that they've forgotten that other people live here, too.
We're also one of the most densely fracked parts of the country, with well over 20K wells in the county, and now they're drilling within city limits. City council, along with the shitheads on the county commission, won't even consider telling the drillers to back off a bit. They're so damned enamored of the oil/gas money that nothing else matters. So, the most popular name for the new state is "Frackistan".
This has become a damned weird place to live.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Or was it Ft Collins?
We were just down there yesterday getting our Subaru serviced and man the well drilling was everywhere you looked outside of town.
Scary
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)librechik
(30,676 posts)DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...since a precedent was established in 1942 (not in the late 50's) by an attack against the proposed State of Jefferson (from Wikipedia):
On November 27, 1941, a group of young men gained national media attention when, brandishing hunting rifles for dramatic effect, they stopped traffic on U.S. Route 99 south of Yreka, and handed out copies of a Proclamation of Independence, stating that the state of Jefferson was in "patriotic rebellion against the States of California and Oregon" and would continue to "secede every Thursday until further notice."
The secession movement came to an abrupt end, though not before John C. Childs of Yreka was inaugurated as the governor of the State of Jefferson. The first blow was the death of Mayor Gable on December 2, followed by the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7. Secessionists focused their efforts on the war effort, which crippled the movement. Coincidentally, the "state of Jefferson" was one of the few places in the continental USA to be the subject of an attack during World War II, when Japanese pilot Nobuo Fujita dropped bombs on the Oregon Coast near Brookings on September 9, 1942.
That secession movement last ~10 days. I anticipate an equally long statehood for the Weldoradans.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)and very briefly in the beginning of the 90s before starting college. It is weird to think of what would have happened had this succeeded.
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...over the 2012 December Holidays. We were stopped for about 2 hours because of snow conditions going over Siskiyou Pass. Finally moving, we thought we'd be able to make it to Redding about 7:00 pm where we had a motel reservation...until we hit the first Interstate exit in Yreka, where the highway patrolman waved us, and a couple hundred other cars, into town because the freeway was closed all the way to Redding.
The next morning, having spent the night in the what was probably the last dog friendly cheap motel room in Yreka we passed this (though it was waist deep in snow when we saw it):
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Going up I-5 from California to Oregon on our way back from visiting relatives. We were driving in her crappy Dodge Aspen. I haven't been on that route in quite a long time.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)I happened to grow up in two of the counties that would have been part of it. Oregon came very close to getting another CD this last census and I think the 2nd CD might have been divided so that Southern Oregon had its own representative (though we'll never know for sure).
As for Weld County, they aren't going anywhere.
otohara
(24,135 posts)Fucking guns are causing a whole lot of hate and division.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)"...in 1869 the United States Supreme Court ruled in Texas v. White, 74 U.S. 700 (1869) that unilateral secession was not permitted saying that the union between a state (Texas in the case before the bar) "was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."
So that county in Colorado can bellow and moan as much as they want, but nothing will come of it. The courts already decided it after the Civil War.
underpants
(182,861 posts)Demographics[edit source]
U.S. Decennial Census[6]
2012 Estimate[7]
As of the census[8] of 2000, there were 180,936 people, 63,247 households, and 45,221 families residing in the county. The population density was 45 people per square mile (18/km²). There were 66,194 housing units at an average density of 17 per square mile (6/km²). The racial makeup of the county was 81.71% White, 0.56% Black or African American, 0.87% Native American, 0.83% Asian, 0.08% Pacific Islander, 13.29% from other races, and 2.65% from two or more races. 27.05% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race.
There were 63,247 households out of which 37.20% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 57.60% were married couples living together, 9.40% had a female householder with no husband present, and 28.50% were non-families. 21.00% of all households were made up of individuals and 6.90% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 2.78 and the average family size was 3.25.
In the county the population was spread out with 28.20% under the age of 18, 13.20% from 18 to 24, 29.70% from 25 to 44, 20.00% from 45 to 64, and 9.00% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 31 years. For every 100 females there were 100.60 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 98.00 males.
The median income for a household in the county was $42,321, and the median income for a family was $49,569. Males had a median income of $35,037 versus $25,757 for females. The per capita income for the county was $18,957. About 8.00% of families and 12.50% of the population were below the poverty line, including 14.60% of those under age 18 and 8.50% of those age 65 or over.
rpannier
(24,331 posts)Then have congress refuse to adopt them as a state.
Surround it with a 12 foot high electric fence to keep them from illegally sneaking into the US when they're starving and their bankrupt
Nihil
(13,508 posts)... then fill it with the polluted waste water from the surrounding fracking sites ...
mountain grammy
(26,642 posts)Let's call it North Teabaggerstan and maybe they can all move there and live in a no government paradise with their master Ken Buck in charge. I'd give up a portion of my beautiful state for that idea. Also, there would be more money for our schools.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Yes, that is a fetus.
Resister in the Rockies
"We beg no longer; we entreat no more; we petition no more. We defy them!" ~ William Jennings Bryan, 1896
http://co-ironwill.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-51st-state-initiative-blog.html
Their viewpoint:
Another viewpoint:
Colorado Counties Want To Form 51st State To Avoid Environmental Protections
By Nicole Flatow on July 11, 2013
At least ten rural Colorado counties are taking aggressive steps to form a 51st state, saying their interests are not being met by moves to regulate the oil and gas industry, increase renewable energy, and better regulate guns. Organizers in Kansas and Nebraska are also interested in joining the state they call North Colorado.
Organizers met this week to draw up boundaries of the new state, as part of an ambitious schedule to draft a ballot initiative by August 1, and get a proposal before the voters in November. Congress must approve admission of a new state into the Union. But the U.S. Constitution also requires that secession of parts of any existing state be approved both by the voters and legislature of that state. This means Colorado would have to approve of the counties secession, as would Kansas and Nebraska if parts of those states wanted to join. One of the ten counties that initiated the movement, Weld County, is larger than Delaware and Rhode Island, according to a county commissioner.
One of the laws that movement representatives say broke the camels back requires rural energy cooperatives to get 20 percent of their energy from renewable sources by 2020. The current goal is ten percent. While Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) signed the bill into law, he also signed an executive order committing to make an independent assessment of whether the 20 percent requirement is feasible, and to revisit the legislation next session if need be. The organizers also cite several failed bills to regulate the oil and gas industry that would have increased fines for violations of state law, and imposed other measures to address the fast-increasing number of both wells and oil spills and contaminations in Colorado over the last several years.
Proponents of the movement say the legislature is not recognizing its main economic drivers, agriculture and energy. But these energy-heavy rural counties are also particularly vulnerable to environmental degradation, which is why some residents have voiced strong opposition to the movement. I dont want be in a 51st state, Washington County resident Steve Frey told the local CBS affiliate. I dont want any part of their fracking that theyre doing in Weld County...
More at link:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/11/2288901/colorado-counties-want-to-form-51st-state-to-avoid-environmental-protections/
I think the Koch brothers are behind this. They have been reported to have their own military forces in Colorado. Saw it on DU. Gotta go.
CrispyQ
(36,492 posts)These people have lost their minds.
telclaven
(235 posts)I believe your sarcasim detector is malfunctioning.
Cha
(297,472 posts)truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)No people, no tax base...the 51st state would subsist entirely on handouts from the Federal Government.
Effin' moochers!
And yes, the thought that they deserve 2 Senators of their very own....
ETA: if they think they will derive any income from fracking they are even more delusional. Energy companies have ways to avoid royalties.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)hundreds of tiny structures with cross shaped roads all over the grasslands? are those wells? drilling sites?
These tiny counties don't seem to want to share equally with their entire state. Those grasslands look ruined.
here's weld county map, zoom in on those structures.
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Weld+County&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x876c07da939b130b:0x79c8bbfa1c2ef9fa,Weld,+CO&gl=us&ei=LQgWUvXNBcHh2AXA_4CYCg&ved=0CJABELYD
here's a loc of one of the areas that looks like meteor strikes. must be fracking or oil wells? 40.728474,-103.899018
mountain grammy
(26,642 posts)It's just a teevee show, but I'm sure the residents of Northern Colorado and their neighbors in Kansas and Nebraska believe it. Then they can frack and drill to their hearts content without polluting the rest of us.... goddam fools!
no_hypocrisy
(46,151 posts)the votes to make the wayward territory a state in its own right? Will the secession be legally invalid?
CrispyQ
(36,492 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Larimer County.
LTR
(13,227 posts)And their two senators. And their electoral votes.
But then we get to grant statehood to DC. Any Dem that doesn't make or take that deal is crazy.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)They should not be linked in any way.
denverbill
(11,489 posts)Wyoming is greatly overrepresented in Congress as it is, but it's dominated by right-wingers so they'll be right at home.
yellowcanine
(35,701 posts)So they would need first the consent of the Colorado Legislature and THEN the U.S. Congress.
West Virginia was able to pull it off in 1863 because the West Virginians first got their rump legislature recognized by Lincoln as the Virginia Legislature and the newly recognized VA legislature voted to allow the formation of West Virginia, which Congress giving final consent. Neat trick but probably illegal, though Virginia was not really in a position to do anything about it.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)NoVa is liberal, populous, progressive and affluent. The rest of the state has some of the wackiest Repubs in existence, many sub-factions of which seem to hate each other. Extreme nutjobs like Ken Cucinelli get voted in, too.
Though winning Virginia as a whole in elections, as Obama has done, is a great prize, and moderate Dems can and do win statewide posts. Both senators are Democratic, the governor is Republican.
underpants
(182,861 posts)NoVa doesn't need the rest of the state. Va would suddenly be in a Detroit-esque financial situation without NoVa.
BTW- I heard about this today and posted it in Good Reads
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023528197
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and yes, I know about slug lines, I recently read an article about an equivalent in DC during WWII.
From here we would just take the Metro.
struggle4progress
(118,320 posts)Earth_First
(14,910 posts)If it by some stroke of luck does, those Democrats and Progressives in Weld County need to leave, and *all* services thay support the infrastructure need to be cut. Water, power, roads, radio etc. Everything. Needs to be cut off that day.
Fuck em if I'm going to pay for their shit. They'll figure it out.