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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 07:19 AM Aug 2013

NYT: Broader Sifting of Data Abroad Is Seen by NSA (Vast Dragnet of Americans' Int'l Emails/Texts)

Source: New York Times

Broader Sifting of Data Abroad Is Seen by N.S.A.

By CHARLIE SAVAGE
Published: August 8, 2013

WASHINGTON — The National Security Agency is searching the contents of vast amounts of Americans’ e-mail and text communications into and out of the country, hunting for people who mention information about foreigners under surveillance, according to intelligence officials.

The N.S.A. is not just intercepting the communications of Americans who are in direct contact with foreigners targeted overseas, a practice that government officials have openly acknowledged. It is also casting a far wider net for people who cite information linked to those foreigners, like a little used e-mail address, according to a senior intelligence official.

While it has long been known that the agency conducts extensive computer searches of data it vacuums up overseas, that it is systematically searching — without warrants — through the contents of Americans’ communications that cross the border reveals more about the scale of its secret operations.

It also adds another element to the unfolding debate, provoked by the disclosures of Edward J. Snowden, the former N.S.A. contractor, about whether the agency has infringed on Americans’ privacy as it scoops up e-mails and phone data in its quest to ferret out foreign intelligence.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/08/us/broader-sifting-of-data-abroad-is-seen-by-nsa.html

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NYT: Broader Sifting of Data Abroad Is Seen by NSA (Vast Dragnet of Americans' Int'l Emails/Texts) (Original Post) Hissyspit Aug 2013 OP
Nope. Not reading the e-mails of US citizens at all... Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #1
They're probably not READING all that stuff-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #3
The article provided the details. Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #4
Thank you. That is very helpful. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #5
Thank you! nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #10
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #2
Hi Agent Mike! Amonester Aug 2013 #6
They are collecting everything. "Collect it all" and store it. woo me with science Aug 2013 #7
You got it, Woo. Th1onein Aug 2013 #9
do lawyers use email? quadrature Aug 2013 #8
Yes. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #12
"analysts" thousands of them must have a lot to laugh over during breaks. Sunlei Aug 2013 #11
attn: Congress critters quadrature Aug 2013 #13

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
1. Nope. Not reading the e-mails of US citizens at all...
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 08:43 AM
Aug 2013

unless the non-human scanners happen to run across a targeted word:

"The official said that a computer searches the data for the identifying keywords or other “selectors” and stores those that match so that human analysts could later examine them."

or unless...

waiting for more shoes to drop, because you know they will.

Just because something is easy and expedient doesn't make it right.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
3. They're probably not READING all that stuff--
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:59 AM
Aug 2013

just collecting it.

If you correspond with foreigners at all, it probably puts you within "3-hop" range of SOMETHING they can use as an excuse to dig into your messages (always assuming they even bother with flimsy justifications before digging).

I belong to several listservs with international memberships. Why wouldn't they vacuum up these messages & maybe just hold them on the odd chance that one of us turns out to be a "person of interest?"

Or maybe a prosecutor somewhere might be interested in my communications with a defense attorney, or might like a snippet of one of my emails to throw at me in an attempt to discredit me in court when I'm on the stand as an expert witness?

Ms. Toad

(34,072 posts)
4. The article provided the details.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 02:41 PM
Aug 2013

Which I summarized.

They are scanning all e-mail correspondence which crosses the US border (regardless of who sends or receives it) for names and key words. If the e-mail contains a name or key word, they are copying the e-mail and sending it to a team of human analysts who actually read it.

So:
the content of all e-mail crossing the US borders IS being "read" by a machine for content without a warrant.
On finding certain content, the e-mail is copied without a warrant, and provided to a team of human analysts.

My comments were directed to the group of people on DU who repeatedly contend that it's just metadata - and that e-mails are not being read, certainly without a warrant. That happens to be incorrect, as this article spells out.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
7. They are collecting everything. "Collect it all" and store it.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:57 PM
Aug 2013

One hop, two hops, three hops. It's all absurd, and the story changes constantly when new smoking guns are revealed.

They are sweeping up everything they possibly can.





Former AF intelligence agent and whistleblower, Tice, has already said they are collecting and storing it all, including telephone, computer, and email content.



"NSA, today, is collecting everything -- including content -- of every digital communication in this country, both computer and phone, and that information is being stored indefinitely," Tice said. "And that's something that they're lying about."


So has former counterterrorism agent, Clemente:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u.s-phone-calls/

"Former FBI counterterrorism agent Tim Clemente told CNN last month that, in national security investigations, the bureau can access records of a previously made telephone call. "All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not," he said. Clemente added in an appearance the next day that, thanks to the "intelligence community" -- an apparent reference to the NSA -- "there's a way to look at digital communications in the past.""


Dianne Feinstein has already let slip that they can access content after the fact.

Mueller initially sought to downplay concerns about NSA surveillance by claiming that, to listen to a phone call, the government would need to seek "a special, a particularized order from the FISA court directed at that particular phone of that particular individual."

Is information about that procedure "classified in any way?" Nadler asked.
"I don't think so," Mueller replied.

"Then I can say the following," Nadler said. "We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that...In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there's a conflict."

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), the head of the Senate Intelligence committee, separately acknowledged that the agency's analysts have the ability to access the "content of a call."



More here:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-spying-flap-extends-to-contents-of-u.s-phone-calls/

"The Washington Post disclosed Saturday that the existence of a top-secret NSA program called NUCLEON, which "intercepts telephone calls and routes the spoken words" to a database. Top intelligence officials in the Obama administration, the Post said, "have resolutely refused to offer an estimate of the number of Americans whose calls or e-mails have thus made their way into content databases such as ­NUCLEON."

Earlier reports have indicated that the NSA has the ability to record nearly all domestic and international phone calls -- in case an analyst needed to access the recordings in the future. A Wired magazine article last year disclosed that the NSA has established "listening posts" that allow the agency to collect and sift through billions of phone calls through a massive new data center in Utah, "whether they originate within the country or overseas." That includes not just metadata, but also the contents of the communications.

William Binney, a former NSA technical director who helped to modernize the agency's worldwide eavesdropping network, told the Daily Caller this week that the NSA records the phone calls of 500,000 to 1 million people who are on its so-called target list, and perhaps even more. "They look through these phone numbers and they target those and that's what they record," Binney said.
Brewster Kahle, a computer engineer who founded the Internet Archive, has vast experience storing large amounts of data. He created a spreadsheet this week estimating that the cost to store all domestic phone calls a year in cloud storage for data-mining purposes would be about $27 million per year, not counting the cost of extra security for a top-secret program and security clearances for the people involved.

NSA's annual budget is classified but is estimated to be around $10 billion.


Documents that came to light in an EFF lawsuit provide some insight into how the spy agency vacuums up data from telecommunications companies. Mark Klein, who worked as an AT&T technician for over 22 years, disclosed in 2006 (PDF) that he witnessed domestic voice and Internet traffic being surreptitiously "diverted" through a "splitter cabinet" to secure room 641A in one of the company's San Francisco facilities. The room was accessible only to NSA-cleared technicians.

AT&T and other telecommunications companies that allow the NSA to tap into their fiber links receive absolute immunity from civil liability or criminal prosecution, thanks to a law that Congress enacted in 2008 and renewed in 2012. It's a series of amendments to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, also known as the FISA Amendments Act.

That law says surveillance may be authorized by the attorney general and director of national intelligence without prior approval by the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, as long as minimization requirements and general procedures blessed by the court are followed.
A requirement of the 2008 law is that the NSA "may not intentionally target any person known at the time of acquisition to be located in the United States." A possible interpretation of that language, some legal experts said, is that the agency may vacuum up everything it can domestically -- on the theory that indiscriminate data acquisition was not intended to "target" a specific American citizen.

Director of National Intelligence Michael McConnell indicated during a House Intelligence hearing in 2007 that the NSA's surveillance process involves "billions" of bulk communications being intercepted, analyzed, and incorporated into a database.



We have been lied to brazenly and incessantly. Anyone throwing out bombast that "it's only metadata" at this point is either willfully ignorant or working the propaganda hard. The upshot is:

"Collect it all."

The Crux of the NSA Story in One Phrase: 'Collect It All'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023261311




Th1onein

(8,514 posts)
9. You got it, Woo.
Fri Aug 9, 2013, 02:42 AM
Aug 2013

And I am SICK of people saying that it's only metadata, or that unless you are communicating with someone outside the US, you don't have to worry about them collecting your data.

Lies. Fucking lies. And fucking liars.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
8. do lawyers use email?
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 11:15 PM
Aug 2013

just curious.

is it customary for lawyers to discuss
sensitive issues with their clients
over email?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
11. "analysts" thousands of them must have a lot to laugh over during breaks.
Fri Aug 9, 2013, 02:39 PM
Aug 2013

what stops any terrorists from changing phones, computers, locations, names ?

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